I googled Borateem and found a place that sold it, but they were out. I scrolled down and found this product. Here is the link. I wonder what formula this is and if it has the same fragrance as in the 70s? It's certainly not expensive unless you have to use a whole cup in a front loader. The old AJAX had enzymes or some kind of stain fighters and was a pretty good cleaner.
AJAX LOW FOAM DETERGENT
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Professional ALL detergent is no longer made by Lever Bros. You have to scroll down to find it.
Johnson-Diversey is what Lever Bros became/renamed themselves when they bought Johnson & Johnson. That company name was relatively short lived and now they are known worldwide as Unilever.
Actually, Tom, if any of that Ajax was actually MADE by C-P, you might want to buy some. C-P detergents were actually pretty good, and I'll bet this Ajax does a bang up job. It's when you start seeing "distributed by C-P" that you have to stop and wonder who is really making this detergent.
Peter, you are right. On the C-P page, there is no mention of the Ajax detergent. Diversey is an old name in detergents. I remember when my father competed against them. I managed to find some of the products that Dad used to sell. A guy he knew combined several old competing manufacturing chemical firms. In the link below, you will find LO FOME, the detergent we used for many years through both Kenmores and the GE. Mom had one of those small 4 oz. Dixie cups that she would dip into the 55 lb barrel. She never filled it more than half full for a full load of laundry. I don't know if they will still ship LO FOME to anyone except laundries and their suppliers because of the phosphate. The last drum of detergent we had was NO PHOS and we did not like it. That formula called BIG MAN sounds very interesting also. I might have to give them a call and drop a few names and see if they would let me order any of these things.
www.daleyinternational.com
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jasonl
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GASP! OMIGOD!
Fresh Start!
Fresh Start!
Fresh Start
Jason USA Drug stores carry Fresh Start. Not any in Lousiiana but they are in Mississippi and Tenn. Normally $3.99 but sometimes on sale for $2.89.
Charles
Jason USA Drug stores carry Fresh Start. Not any in Lousiiana but they are in Mississippi and Tenn. Normally $3.99 but sometimes on sale for $2.89.
Charles
I was going to say: $8.05 for a single bottle of Fresh Start is a bit steep. They have Fab in vend size, but the math makes them just over .50 per box. I get vend Tide for .25/box.
I think they are stretching their definition of "discount supplies".
I think they are stretching their definition of "discount supplies".
"Low Foam" is probably because that version of Ajax is also sold for cleaning floors,walls and so forth, besides laundry. More likely than not foaming chemcials were left out of the product to make it non-dulling to floors and easier rinsing. OTHO it probably does not contain enzymes or other modern goodies. There is a version of Tide sold for commercial use that is marketed for floors and walls as well, but cannot say if it is low foaming.
Fresh Start:
Is still found easily enough via mail order, but tends to be pricey and shipping is dear. Those little bottles are not exactly light, but for those who would have it at any price.....
Borateem:
As another poster mentioned has been sold off and now is reformulated. Many of these commercial cleaning stores and "wholesale" supply houses have is either old stock or they purchased remaining old stock. For instance Tide with Hydrogen Peroxide is no longer made, but these shops seem to have tons of the stuff. Ditto with older versions of TWB, and Tide that "kills 99% of bacteria".
Phosphate Laundry Detergents:
Turbo, it is usually that these vendors cannot ship STPP product to states where phosphates are banned. They could face problems from local "EPA" type officals. My stash of Ecolab detergent contains STPP, but cannot be sold nor shipped to New York State because of the now ban on even commercial laundry products containing phosphates. Makes me wonder though how the Chemistry Store and others get away with shipping STPP to whomever orders.
Fresh Start:
Is still found easily enough via mail order, but tends to be pricey and shipping is dear. Those little bottles are not exactly light, but for those who would have it at any price.....
Borateem:
As another poster mentioned has been sold off and now is reformulated. Many of these commercial cleaning stores and "wholesale" supply houses have is either old stock or they purchased remaining old stock. For instance Tide with Hydrogen Peroxide is no longer made, but these shops seem to have tons of the stuff. Ditto with older versions of TWB, and Tide that "kills 99% of bacteria".
Phosphate Laundry Detergents:
Turbo, it is usually that these vendors cannot ship STPP product to states where phosphates are banned. They could face problems from local "EPA" type officals. My stash of Ecolab detergent contains STPP, but cannot be sold nor shipped to New York State because of the now ban on even commercial laundry products containing phosphates. Makes me wonder though how the Chemistry Store and others get away with shipping STPP to whomever orders.
TWB kills 99% bacteria
They had to stop the advertising that way because it was not E.P.. registered. they are trying to get it registered but it takes quite a while . When they get it , IT will have a EPA registeration number on it , then they can advertise it again.
They had to stop the advertising that way because it was not E.P.. registered. they are trying to get it registered but it takes quite a while . When they get it , IT will have a EPA registeration number on it , then they can advertise it again.
Read a notice on the Web from the NYS environment department that gave that approved "Tide Kills......" approval as a disenfectant. Apparently it was listed under pesticide and or approved by the department that regulates pesticides.
Yes, when contacted P&G, the rep stated this particular version of Tide was withdrawn because P&G decided not to persue EPA certification.
L.
Yes, when contacted P&G, the rep stated this particular version of Tide was withdrawn because P&G decided not to persue EPA certification.
L.
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Launderess...
concerning the Chemistry Store shipping STPP. That may have something to do with "intended use". I know there are some chemicals that are considered lawful to use for certain purposes and unlawful for others. There are some people who are able to get around this legal loophole to obtain certain chemicals that they want.
concerning the Chemistry Store shipping STPP. That may have something to do with "intended use". I know there are some chemicals that are considered lawful to use for certain purposes and unlawful for others. There are some people who are able to get around this legal loophole to obtain certain chemicals that they want.
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GREAT site for Fresh Start; not cheap, but still not bad for a case of 6 if you can't find it anywhere local. I really wish it was available in this area.
You can also get Ajax in bulk here as well.
You can also get Ajax in bulk here as well.
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If I remember correctly, Huish used to make Ajax for Colgate Palmolive (at least it was listed on their site for a long time with a lot of Kirkland, K-Mart, Safeway, and Kroger products). They still make the Sun detergent, but I'm not sure about the Ajax anymore.
If I remember correctly, Huish used to make Ajax for Colgate Palmolive (at least it was listed on their site for a long time with a lot of Kirkland, K-Mart, Safeway, and Kroger products). They still make the Sun detergent, but I'm not sure about the Ajax anymore.
Sudsman
"What E L products are you useing? And what have you tried? and your take on them thanks"
Only have a case of the one, Solid Super and will take ages to use up as it is very concentrated.
Does what it states, cleans oily/greasy dirt from laundry quite well. Methinks it is because of the phosphates and washing soda.
On balance these sort of detergents without enzymes and such are "old school", in that they rely on alkalinity and or phosphates to remove and keep dirt/oils away from laundry. My European top shelf detergent is neutral to slightly acidic and uses a complex blend of chemicals and enzymes to remove/keep soils and oils away from laundry. The benefit of having a near neutral detergent is they are much easier on textiles, and better for laundering coloured laundry as the slight acid level protects dyes/keeps them from fading; much like the old trick of adding white vinegar to coloured wash loads. Since a sour is not required after using the European detergent, it saves me a step as can go right from the final rinse to final spin, or starching cycle without having to add a sour bath in between. When using a sour cycle on laundry that will be ironed/pressed such as shirts or linens, always do it *before* the final rinse/starch bath so excess acid levels and removed remaining detergent/soap is flushed away.
The difference between these detergents can easily be seen as the wash water drains into the wasche sink. When using the Ecolab product, one seeks much oily scum/gunk in the water, which is the dissloved and removed oils/soils from the laundry suspended in water. When using the European detergent the water is "soap", but all soils and oils are disloved in the wash water.
Like the Ecolab product because when properly dosed, it is very low foaming and easy rinsing. The scent is not my thing, and if the product is not properly dissloved and or rinsed the scent seems to "rub off" on anything the laundry touches. Ironing board covers, ironer covers and so forth. This leads me to belive this product works best in hot (130F) and above wash water. While it will clean in warm or cold, the product must be dissloved first in hot water, indeed the dispenser system requires 130F water for diluting and mixing of the product before sending it down into the washer. This is the same with all Ecolab solid products IIRC, even the fabric softener.
L.
"What E L products are you useing? And what have you tried? and your take on them thanks"
Only have a case of the one, Solid Super and will take ages to use up as it is very concentrated.
Does what it states, cleans oily/greasy dirt from laundry quite well. Methinks it is because of the phosphates and washing soda.
On balance these sort of detergents without enzymes and such are "old school", in that they rely on alkalinity and or phosphates to remove and keep dirt/oils away from laundry. My European top shelf detergent is neutral to slightly acidic and uses a complex blend of chemicals and enzymes to remove/keep soils and oils away from laundry. The benefit of having a near neutral detergent is they are much easier on textiles, and better for laundering coloured laundry as the slight acid level protects dyes/keeps them from fading; much like the old trick of adding white vinegar to coloured wash loads. Since a sour is not required after using the European detergent, it saves me a step as can go right from the final rinse to final spin, or starching cycle without having to add a sour bath in between. When using a sour cycle on laundry that will be ironed/pressed such as shirts or linens, always do it *before* the final rinse/starch bath so excess acid levels and removed remaining detergent/soap is flushed away.
The difference between these detergents can easily be seen as the wash water drains into the wasche sink. When using the Ecolab product, one seeks much oily scum/gunk in the water, which is the dissloved and removed oils/soils from the laundry suspended in water. When using the European detergent the water is "soap", but all soils and oils are disloved in the wash water.
Like the Ecolab product because when properly dosed, it is very low foaming and easy rinsing. The scent is not my thing, and if the product is not properly dissloved and or rinsed the scent seems to "rub off" on anything the laundry touches. Ironing board covers, ironer covers and so forth. This leads me to belive this product works best in hot (130F) and above wash water. While it will clean in warm or cold, the product must be dissloved first in hot water, indeed the dispenser system requires 130F water for diluting and mixing of the product before sending it down into the washer. This is the same with all Ecolab solid products IIRC, even the fabric softener.
L.
