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Given that Montecito has a really lovely year round climate, the heating and cooling costs probably are less than you'd think. However, take a look at those huge and lovely emerald green lawns and then remember that here in SoCal we have almost no rain for months of the year. Big green lawns just aren't natural here, and to keep them green we either have to import water from other areas or pump it from natural aquafiers. So much for sustainability.

I might add that Montecito is ever-so-exclusive, so he won't be rubbing shoulders with any commoners aside from those who maintain his house. The whole Santa Barbara area has been stringently anti-growth for decades, to the point that there is almost no housing there for much less than $1,000,000, even old '50s tract homes in very ordinary parts of SB. This has lead to a situation where most ordinary people who work in SB and want to own a house either buy in Santa Maria 50 miles north, or Ventura 25 miles south, and then commute in on the 101. Santa Barbara doesn't like that either, and has for years refused to allow the 101 to be widened within the area, as it will "attact too much traffic". I've passed through here many times on a Sunday afternoon, and it can easily take an hour to go the 20 miles from Goleta to Summerland because the inadequate road is so jammed.
 
Oh AL, has that down perfectly.

He is going to need a lot of "those border people" to help take care of all that.
 
Doesn't change

The fact that man-made climate change is now beyond reasonable dispute.
It's just no good throwing in red-herrings here, we've upset Mother Nature, always red of tooth and claw and she's decided to spank us for it.
Let's hope she leaves it at a spanking.

Oh, and regarding his house(s). You know, when I'm in Germany, I don't drive, I use public transport.
In the 'States, I drive a big, gas guzzling pick-up, a rather large old Chevy and, because my darlin' was terrified I'd kill myself (I am not a good driver), until I got my feet under me, the largest Cadillac made after 1985.

Doesn't mean I don't believe in climate change or that it's our fault. Just means I use the resources available to me.

This anti-intellectual, anti-science mentality is not making America competitive against other countries in the capitalist world market we all live in.

It's been noted that as good as no jobs have been created in the US through all the "green" and "alternative" energy technologies introduced since Obama came into office.
Why?
Simple-the Chinese and the Europeans are so far advanced and the Americans so far behind, that it will take years for the US to catch up on infra-structure to even Denmark.

We are ahead of our goal in Germany to be totally Russian-gas independent in a few years and way ahead of our goal to cut our CO² output and our foreign-oil dependence.

Meanwhile, in the US, we are still giving our sworn enemies in the Islamic world billions of dollars DAILY for oil. What part of that makes sense to people who want to protect the US? Why is that "conservative"? How is it patriotic to give people who hate us money and increase our dependence on their good will when they have none towards us?
 
The fact that man-made climate change is now beyond reasonab

Well, apparently 31,486 top scientist think it's all of bunch of B.S.

Yes, the climate is slightly altered due to our existence, but not to the extreme that Al Gore the green wackos claim.

Meanwhile, in the US, we are still giving our sworn enemies in the Islamic world billions of dollars DAILY for oil. What part of that makes sense to people who want to protect the US? Why is that "conservative"?

75% of every dollar of gas pumped at the station goes to the government in taxes. The government makes a SERIOUS killing, more so than the oil companies or anyone else involved in the industry, combined. It's a non-partisan issue since government is the problem as a whole, but the Dems love to hide behind a bunch of lies and propaganda.

Wake up people!! They're just playing us against each other while they secretly carry out their own agenda!

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22624
 
qsd-dan

That with the 31,486 top scientist is debunked.
As someone who says he takes science seriously, you really ought to look at the link. I have several more, should this not clarify.
Now, I don't know where you come up with %75 is taxes, any verifiable sources?
Let's pretend, for a moment, tho', that this be so.

That means that for every dollar you pump, 0.25 goes to people who hate gays, hate Christians, hate democracy, hate the US Constitution, hate Israel, hate Jews....

Please. Ever since the Bill Clinton impeachment, there has been nothing but every growing distrust and downright loathing between your side of the house and my side. Let's not let our mutual dislike for each other's politics and religious beliefs (I am pro-civil rights and human status for gays and transgender) interfere with the facts as we know them.

http://oregonbachelorsdegree.com/oregon-bachelors-degree/debunking-the-oregon-petition-project/
 
May man made climate change sweep Al Gore and his new house out to sea... Meanwhile, I plan on enjoying probably a second year of a below-average-temp summer thanks to Redoubt, Iceland and several other volcanoes that decided to erupt recently.
 
Peter,

That's a good plan. I will be in Atlanta at least four times in the next months, so any break in temps is fine with me.

Er, um, the volcano argument does support the man-made climate changes...
 
Global Warming?

This winter was so cold that I was going to set him on fire to keep warm!

BTW him accepting the Nobel Prize in person caused global warming..the motorcade to and from the airport, the flight itself and the horde of media covering the event!!
 
Er, um, the volcano argument does support the man-made clima

That's the point (and the inconvenient truth)... Man has nothing to do with it. It is the natural cycle of heating and cooling. Not to mention the melting of ice on other planets and the sun in a heating cycle. It is natural, so relax and leave our energy alone, unless it will be supplied by oil that we drill, see and use domestically to lower energy costs.
 
I wonder what Al Gore has to say about the volcano that is spewing more carbon and and other pollutants than all the people of earth combined. I wonder how he's going to campaign against mother nature?
 
Al Gore---Don't get me started on that bozo!!!And something new about volcanoes---they can spew out more CFC's than man ever has-the CFC levels go up after volcanic activities.They CAN be produced in nature!So far global warming is based on "JUNK SCIENCE"!There is LESS carbon in the air now than was 100years ago!And yes we are going thru a 10,050 year warming cycle--ENJOY it there is nothing you can do about it-won't happen again for another 10,000years!And yes the climate is cooling off again.Some years ago I was linked to a "pollution map"guess who was to blame?Africa and South America.they generated the most.Open wood burning and rain forest burning.Wish I could find that map again.
 
my question is....since the global warming hysteria started, how many people spent their hard earned money replacing their cars, appliances, etc. And it is all because they were taken in by the hipe about the danger to mankind.

Ross
 
That is what bothers me about "global warming"its a SCAM!!!For the appliances-sorry FL fans--note how the FL washers are MUCH more expensive than the TL models.And the TL ones are being "phased out"You are being SCAMMED into buying something more expensive.The global warming is just that HYPE!!I have noticed that the winter in general has bin colder and wetter.And is this replacing of appliances better?esp if the old ones end up in a LANDFILL and were perefectly usable?
 
A great number

of otherwise perfectly sane, intelligent people in the US have serious problems accepting evidence which counters their "knowledge" when it comes to the natural sciences.

If it were only and exclusively creationism or ID or global warming or mineral oil is no problem for the ocean or the earth is only 5,000 (or is it 6,000) years old...homosexuality is not natural, etc. then it wouldn't pose a threat (except to those of us who are gay, of course...and everybody else who is not the way the Führer wanted).

That is not, however, the case. You folks seriously need to get out and about in the rest of the world more. It's been commented on here by many members apart from myself that traveling to Europe or Asia blows their minds when they compare the infra-structures in our countries to the US.

Or, to put it another way. The technical university I am fortunate to lecture for has a pretty consistent level of about 5-7% American students.
College education has become so expensive in the US that many families with ties to Europe send their kids over here. Great schools and - even counting travel, room and board, still 1/4 or less the cost in the US.

That's important. Far more so: Of those students who study here, the overwhelming majority remain. They are hired by technical and scientific and engineering firms who are very glad indeed of their expertise.

America began suffering a serious brain drain under the Bush#43 administration in the various fields of biology (the genetics/ stem-cell nonsense, ID, etc.). What began as a minor drip has now become a small, but continuous trickle.

The only other cultures in the world going backwards or standing still in the natural sciences are the fundamentalist Islamic ones.

By all means, vote Republican. By all means, continue to practice your "God said it, the Bible wrote it, I believe it" version of Christianity.

But at the very least, as patriotic Americans, you have a duty to at least consider the evidence of those of us you think are your enemies.

Or, to put it another way: We are creating jobs and making money hand over fist both on the money we save from not paying the people who hate us for oil and in selling green technology and infrastructure to technically backward countries.

Anybody taken a look recently at where the basic technology and parts come for all those windmills?
 
I haven't seen too many windmills in my area-even though they would work off the NC coast.Problem with them is--no one wants to see them,there are complaints they present a hazard to bird migration.And I deal with electric generation and distribution-Man likes electric sources HE can control-wind and solar he can't control them.solar especially is still too inefficient to use on a large scale basis-it is good for small applications:such as remotely located cell phone towers or communications that are too far away from commercial power.And solar panels are good at charging and keeping batteries charged.Wind is a good supplemental source of power.But don't count on it replacing mainline sources of power generation-such as coal,nuclear,and hydroelectric.All of these can be thought of as "prime movers"energy sources that can be used to be converted to electric energy.I have been about and have found that "green" sources of power are not suitable or cost effective means at this time.The efficiency of mainline sources is too great-fossil fueled boilers for power generation are the most efficient becuase of their high temperatures and reheat.Nuclear boilers run at lower temps-but higher volumes of steam and no reheat.At power plants-a fossil turbine system has three sections-High pressure,intermediate pressure(reheat) and low pressure-crossover pipe from the intermediate turbine to the low pressure ones.A nuclear turbine has two sections High pressure,then crossover pipe to the low pressure turbines.then the steam(too low a pressure to run turbines) at this point goes to the condensors(cooling towers)then to the feedwater pumps(usually turbines or electric-or even both)back into the boilers.Hydroelectric can be considered a renewable soruce of power-it uses gravity via falling water flowing thru a water turbine in a dam to rotate generators to produce electric power.Maybe we need more hyrdoelectric power?but to use it we need dams.And consider the hazard of the stored water if the dam breaks or leaks.
Where are the companies that build the windmills-I thought most of them WERE NOT in the US.I would like to read and see more about them.
 
Once again, you have managed to hijack a thread and turn it into your own personal sounding board, attacking members that don't agree with your viewpoint. We all know you are in intelligent person, Keven, but that education must have lacked a course on social etiquette. Think "attack" is too strong a word? Let's have a look….

In one broad-sweeping stroke you have pulled out all the tried and true strawmen:

In your opening sentences, you make comparisons that the concept of ignoring climate change is akin to "exclusive creationism", anti-homosexuality, and Nazi Germany.

Next, a double edged sword- We are ignorant because we can't afford a quality education AND, our economy is so weak that students are forced to travel abroad where 'education, travel and room and board' are a "1/4 or less the cost" of our country. It's almost as if you're saying, 'there, there, it's okay you're all ignorant, education is too expensive in your country and the technical graduates aren't returning anyhow.'

Now we pull out the standard Bush #43 argument (funny, this thread is about Al Gore buying his 4th estate). And since you're headed in that direction already, might as well pull in the Islamics. "The only other cultures in the world going backwards or standing still in the natural sciences are the fundamentalist Islamic ones."

Don't forget to use the Republican Party as an insult. Wait, here it is: "By all means, vote Republican. By all means, continue to practice your "God said it, the Bible wrote it, I believe it" version of Christianity."

And before we leave off, a "subtle" reminder that the rest of the world is in agreement with your position (so you must be right) and us Americans are living in the shadow of innovation and technology chiefly because of the impact of the green movement. "We are creating jobs and making money hand over fist both on the money we save from not paying the people who hate us for oil and in selling green technology and infrastructure to technically backward countries."

What a deftly crafted piece of persuasion. I'm sure many are now reconsidering their stance on global warming.
 
Thank you tolivac for your response. I wonder when people are going to wake up and realize how they have been scammed and ripped off. And thank you cadman for exposing the people in this country who consider themselves they educated elite.
Plenty of people are educated but they research and get their facts first before making a statement.

Ross
 
Well, you know

actually, a thread which comments on global warming, carbon footprints and is a (fair) attack on Gore is open to a discussion of the matter.

I am hardly what one calls an elite, though I frankly find the rejection of basing our future on scientifically conducted research troubling.

Yeah, actually, reading through my posting, I fear what's been written since pretty well confirms it.

Nobody rational suggests that wind power alone will solve our problems. It is, however, worth noting that the French and the Austrians have found a very effective solution to the peak-demand problem.

Nuclear power plants are good at constant power output. Running them up or down costs money and time.
Hydroelectric power, however, can be ramped up or down nearly in real-time.

So the French nuclear plants and the Austrian hydroelectric dams have a deal. During the day, at peak demand times, the Austrians pour out lots of water and send lots of power into the European grid. At night, when power demand is low, the French nuclear plants put out more power than consumers need, so that power is used to pump the water back up behind the dams.

Simple. Clean. Works.

Why the conservatives here find it is somehow patriotic or Christian or gen-u-whine "American" to attack those of us who advocate finding solutions to stop buying oil from people who hate us is beyond me.

Oh, and, yes, actually - the rest of the developed world is putting far more money into educatiion of the only resource which the Chinese can't beat us at in the West: Our young people.

I hijacked nothing, I simply made some statements that some people on this board would get a hard on for if Sarah Palin had said them. Because I made them, they get a hate-on.
 
the rest of the developed world is putting far more money in

Really? I give you this article from an educational website. It mainly deals with higher education. It has a neat little title "German Education Spending Below Other Nations - OECD Report."

I'll give you some snippets "The United States comes out ahead of Europe as a whole, according OECD. American universities on average spent 24,370 dollars (17,200 euros) per student per year in 2005, compared with $10,474 among 19 OECD European countries, which are also EU members. "

or how about "Public spending earmarked for education in Germany is relatively less than what some thirty other OECD members invest, according to the 2008 report."

http://www.edunews.net/Germany/German_Education_Spending_Below_Other_Nations_-_OECD_Report_960/#3
 
Todd,

It's a matter of costs, not just sums spent. You have to look at what a bachelor's costs in the US and compare it to what one costs in Europe.
That comparison clearly shows that it's cheaper over here.
 
Actually...

Let's see, last I noted Switzerland was pretty rabid capitalist country, and it is hardly lefty as well.

So I don't think that you can say limited government and free market principles cause brain drain.

Personally, I could make an equal argument that the tiresome creationist stuff and anti-intellectualism of the right are equal to the tiresome political correctness crap of the left that also stifles constructive dissent and solving of problems.

Regarding cost of education, I would be interested in seeing "what is the cost of attending your state university and actively attempting to economize in your use of cash by perhaps living with your parents are taking numerous roommates in a private apartment and doing the radical thing of cooking your own food and doing laundry reasonable" versus "shelling out huge sums of money by mom and dad so their children can have a good college experience." Please note I am NOT dissing people's choices here, but I'd like to know how these numbers are derived. (Full disclosure: I was extremely poor and did not live away at school yet still got a top notch education). I would like to see comparisons of apples to apples, which may, or may not, have been done.

Regarding climate change, both sides are arguing and neither side seems to be using rational thought. I find myself somewhat suspicious of it mostly because the folks pushing it have been pushing for massive government control of citizenry for a LONG time. (i.e. 'green is the new red').

Regarding the nuclear and the water ... that is done throughout the USA. What immediately comes to mind is the project in Rowe, Mass that did that for decades (Rowe's nuclear power station was decommissioned in the early 90s as it was the first ever opened here and was having some issues). If I am recalling correctly, the Hydro plant at Northfield Mountain in western Mass also does the same thing, with electricity from the nearby Yankee Vernon Nuclear Power Station, in Vernon, Vermont. [I lived in Massachusetts for a while so that's why I know these things - there may be many others.]

Now for the really inflammatory comments: I think that front loaders clean better than top loaders. I miss my front loader that could heat water to 95C.

Hunter
 
Oh, Hunter,

That is heresy!
I hereby proclaim you, from today forward to the minute of your death to be:
A socialist-fascist-Marxist-Free-Thinker!
(And probably a Democrat, too!)

I think we need to radically rethink our nuclear and alternative energy policies. I shall never understand why I am so deeply attacked for saying we need to stop giving our money to our sworn enemies and look for our own solutions.
 
Actually...

Let's see,

I'm not a socialist, nor a Marxist, nor a facist. I leave that for those in power in Washington and Denver.

I am, however, a free thinker!

I also like front loading washing machines.

Oh yes, and Pressure Cookers.

Not to mention Miele ovens.

And Remington Rifles.

And Glock pistols.

Democrat? Hardly!

Honestly, if you engineer a nuclear power station with enough redundancy to avoid accidents it will emit LESS radiation than a coal burning power station. Coal, after all, comes from the ground...which also has radioactives in it.

RICKR, while you may think Panthera is being a troll, he and I have tremendous numbers of disagreements. However, we DO have a respect for each other's points of view, even if we disagree. This is something seriously lacking in the United States of America today. Certainly I disagree with his continuous commenting of "Republican=Thug." He'd probably disagree with my continuous thought of "Democrat=statist freedom hating socialist." But ultimately we BOTH want to see the political parties of the United States of America return to constitutionalist principles and good government. Therein lies the underlying agreement that could let us work together toward the same goal.

Hunter
 
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