washerdude
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Found a video of the new agipeller units running. Kinda upsetting to watch...not totally bad but just not my cup of tea. Even an HE impeller top loader does better then this though....
ANNND...of course..it looked to good to be true.
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joeypete
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Well he seems credible and said it did a good job of cleaning, so I have no reason to doubt his word. I agree with him about user reviews. Some of the ones I've read are horrific. People compare everything to what they had, that broke. It's new so it can't be good. Silly.
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What is it with all that noise? Also the clothes hardly moved. Not my type of machine.
After seeing the video I would never own one of those machines. I see absolutely no advantage to the design, just something to placate those folks that refuse to use a front loader. They are welcome to their dirty clothes.
I, too, wonder why anyone would want one of these impeller/agipeller-based machines rather than front-loaders, which are custom-made for HE operation. My preference for the FL format has been firmly in place since the 1980s.
I used to lower the water levels on my front-load WCI machines back in the day. Had far fewer problems with oversudsing and experienced better cleaning results. This was at the cost of fun-to-watch splashy water drama, of course. Can't have everything, right, LOL?
I used to lower the water levels on my front-load WCI machines back in the day. Had far fewer problems with oversudsing and experienced better cleaning results. This was at the cost of fun-to-watch splashy water drama, of course. Can't have everything, right, LOL?
Change is scary
Apparently they are betting on the placebo-post to help appease peoples fear of the unfamiliar/unknown. It looks right even though it is only for looks.
It's going to take some time for people to change their habits. The HE top loaders will be around for a while and eventually people (especially chronic overloaders) will realize they just don't do as well as a front loader.
Its a lot like the traffic round about deal. A well designed roundabout beats the heck out of a 4-way stop intersection in all regards. Good luck getting the folks on this side of the pond to all figure it out and agree though!
Apparently they are betting on the placebo-post to help appease peoples fear of the unfamiliar/unknown. It looks right even though it is only for looks.
It's going to take some time for people to change their habits. The HE top loaders will be around for a while and eventually people (especially chronic overloaders) will realize they just don't do as well as a front loader.
Its a lot like the traffic round about deal. A well designed roundabout beats the heck out of a 4-way stop intersection in all regards. Good luck getting the folks on this side of the pond to all figure it out and agree though!
mrb627
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I suspect a lot of people would buy this machine because it looks like a regular top loader. Others purchase because they are coming out of a bad FL experience. Wonder where people will go when this experience goes bad?
Malcolm
I suspect a lot of people would buy this machine because it looks like a regular top loader. Others purchase because they are coming out of a bad FL experience. Wonder where people will go when this experience goes bad?
Malcolm
I agree, Phil. The post of the agipeller is there for the comfort of familiarty. It really doesn't do anything but dispense fabric softener. It probably encourages people to load the tub a little more carefully, too.
Roundabouts: They've even made it to rural southwestern Minnesota and let me tell you, the Norwegians are not pleased! I'm familiar with the ones I use in Worthington and Mankato, so I know which lane to be in and where to exit. That helps.
I first enountered one in Seattle years ago. Had never seen one and had no idea how they worked. I recall a few horn honks directed at me, LOL. The first roundabout I encountered in the Twin Cities metro area was near a new Target just off south Hwy 77 / Cedar Ave. maybe 6-8 years ago.
Roundabouts: They've even made it to rural southwestern Minnesota and let me tell you, the Norwegians are not pleased! I'm familiar with the ones I use in Worthington and Mankato, so I know which lane to be in and where to exit. That helps.
I first enountered one in Seattle years ago. Had never seen one and had no idea how they worked. I recall a few horn honks directed at me, LOL. The first roundabout I encountered in the Twin Cities metro area was near a new Target just off south Hwy 77 / Cedar Ave. maybe 6-8 years ago.
Roundabouts
I go through 8-10 with a fully stuffed bus each day (always haveing a seat; I enter first and get of last). Pretty fun to watch people falling over other peoples - at least sometimes.
I guess these Agipellar machines might get better reviews over all. First, rollover can usually not be blocked by items covering the center. Second, they have no glas lid, so less people see the actual wash action and just see the results.
Now, all you guys are left with is SQ, FP, some GEs, I thonk 1 Hotpoint and one Frgidaire model. Though this model seems, well, pathetic.
I go through 8-10 with a fully stuffed bus each day (always haveing a seat; I enter first and get of last). Pretty fun to watch people falling over other peoples - at least sometimes.
I guess these Agipellar machines might get better reviews over all. First, rollover can usually not be blocked by items covering the center. Second, they have no glas lid, so less people see the actual wash action and just see the results.
Now, all you guys are left with is SQ, FP, some GEs, I thonk 1 Hotpoint and one Frgidaire model. Though this model seems, well, pathetic.
for one thing, that post serves several purposes, it takes care of the issue of people placing things over top of the impellor, which no one was following directions in the first place of keeping a view of the center spot open, but complaining about....and does away with that 2 dollar downy ball found in earlier machines....
this is not as bad one would think, their getting better at it, I have a regular belt drive with the standard impellor, which really needed more water added......this machine, at least this cycle, does take care of that.....
for someone who owns one, seems to do away with all that pausing/wasting time between selections.....that's a good benefit....
curious of the load sensing in this one.....it didn't do a bunch of spins when he first started it to decide how much water was needed......could be a thing about the Deep Wash cycle......
curious to see what the PowerWash does on this machine......does it mean they finally added the waterfall feature?....
I know, it takes some time to get past the H2Low water levels of these machines....now having both a belt drive and a direct drive, I can compare of which does a better job, and that would be the belt drive, at least for now....it has a different way of washing......think of Catalyst cleaning, or along the lines of the MagicMinute of concentrated detergent spread across the load before more water is added, a deep pretreater if you will.......and most rinses are just a spin spray, but its along the lines of a twintub, saturate and then extract....
as much as I want to disclaim these machines......it does work...once you get past the mental part of what traditional machines do......granted too, these don't do well on certain loads, Bulky for one, this is not something you want to wash a comforter in and expect great results, that has always been left to a FLer......
these machines tend to focus on the older generation of traditional set up.....like my mother, who cannot handle a Fler for loading, even with pedestals.....the Calypso worked better for her......as well as the drop down door of the dryer......may not be the best, but fits the need....
this is not as bad one would think, their getting better at it, I have a regular belt drive with the standard impellor, which really needed more water added......this machine, at least this cycle, does take care of that.....
for someone who owns one, seems to do away with all that pausing/wasting time between selections.....that's a good benefit....
curious of the load sensing in this one.....it didn't do a bunch of spins when he first started it to decide how much water was needed......could be a thing about the Deep Wash cycle......
curious to see what the PowerWash does on this machine......does it mean they finally added the waterfall feature?....
I know, it takes some time to get past the H2Low water levels of these machines....now having both a belt drive and a direct drive, I can compare of which does a better job, and that would be the belt drive, at least for now....it has a different way of washing......think of Catalyst cleaning, or along the lines of the MagicMinute of concentrated detergent spread across the load before more water is added, a deep pretreater if you will.......and most rinses are just a spin spray, but its along the lines of a twintub, saturate and then extract....
as much as I want to disclaim these machines......it does work...once you get past the mental part of what traditional machines do......granted too, these don't do well on certain loads, Bulky for one, this is not something you want to wash a comforter in and expect great results, that has always been left to a FLer......
these machines tend to focus on the older generation of traditional set up.....like my mother, who cannot handle a Fler for loading, even with pedestals.....the Calypso worked better for her......as well as the drop down door of the dryer......may not be the best, but fits the need....
Yogi, my MVWC425BW has the "power wash" manual says it uses "longer wash times and more water". Sadly, no spray. I posted in another thread about confusion with the washer manual saying use Downy Ball (Really? in a washer this expensive!) and Downy saying don't use it. MT finally got back to me and said "This washer was designed exclusively to use the Downy Ball". Thank goodness MT had a starting point for the washer design!!! BTW, still no answer from downy about using the ball. Looking forward to getting the machine if the painters ever finish the house.
Downy Dispenser Ball: The washer must do a full-speed spin after the wash in order for the Downy ball to work. Some HE top-loaders---like the Frigidaire Immersion Care I had---don't do a full-speed spin. This seems to be more true of earlier HE top-loaders. They didn't want to compress the clothes against the side of the tub before the spray-rinses. At any rate, that may explain the conflicting advice from Downy.
The two things I didn't like about the Immersion Care were the slow, six-minute 150 rpm "spin" after the wash cycle and the dumbed-down "hot" water. The super-slow first spin made using bleach inconvenient, as I'd have to catch the cycle at the end of the wash period, reset it to Spin Only, then reset it again to Rinse & Spin. I can understand not wanting to do a high-speed spin prior to spray rinses, but it irked me that there was no spin even if you selected a deep rinse (which one would naturally choose if using fabric softener or chlorine bleach).[this post was last edited: 6/11/2015-14:29]
The two things I didn't like about the Immersion Care were the slow, six-minute 150 rpm "spin" after the wash cycle and the dumbed-down "hot" water. The super-slow first spin made using bleach inconvenient, as I'd have to catch the cycle at the end of the wash period, reset it to Spin Only, then reset it again to Rinse & Spin. I can understand not wanting to do a high-speed spin prior to spray rinses, but it irked me that there was no spin even if you selected a deep rinse (which one would naturally choose if using fabric softener or chlorine bleach).[this post was last edited: 6/11/2015-14:29]
I found out on the belt drive, of removing the flow restrictors gave a faster fill for this machine......HOT only dubbed down 10 degrees from the water heater.....Warm was luke warm at best......
I could also fool this machine with pouring a gallon of water equally over the load before starting, tricking it into filling with more water......this doesn't work for the DD.....
on the direct drive, I only removed the restrictor from the HOT side.....and so far, WARM is really warm when selected.....Hot is still the 10 degree drop...
I said that from the start, for the price you pay for one of these machines, and all you get is a downy ball......WTH?....I called Whirlpool too, asking, what kind of joke are they playing!...
actually both machines do between a med to full speed spin after the wash....
but interesting quirks from each one.....and how we have to sort of work around them to fit our needs....
in the machine in the video.....again, for the price paid, what was wrong with giving it the dispenser drawer as the digital ones have?.....you would have thought to be cost efficient to build like one platform, I believe there are 3, with controls panels, tops, and lids all different.....can't say they always use common sense...
I could also fool this machine with pouring a gallon of water equally over the load before starting, tricking it into filling with more water......this doesn't work for the DD.....
on the direct drive, I only removed the restrictor from the HOT side.....and so far, WARM is really warm when selected.....Hot is still the 10 degree drop...
I said that from the start, for the price you pay for one of these machines, and all you get is a downy ball......WTH?....I called Whirlpool too, asking, what kind of joke are they playing!...
actually both machines do between a med to full speed spin after the wash....
but interesting quirks from each one.....and how we have to sort of work around them to fit our needs....
in the machine in the video.....again, for the price paid, what was wrong with giving it the dispenser drawer as the digital ones have?.....you would have thought to be cost efficient to build like one platform, I believe there are 3, with controls panels, tops, and lids all different.....can't say they always use common sense...
wp-dude22
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the roll over is really slow due to there being to much water for the load so the washplate is ineffective there...
but it still seems to clean well.
the post is a good thing although i think it should have some raised parts to it and not be 100% smooth
i agree the lower end washers could do with a re-circulation spray of some sort
it has promise we need to see it on other cycles first
but it still seems to clean well.
the post is a good thing although i think it should have some raised parts to it and not be 100% smooth
i agree the lower end washers could do with a re-circulation spray of some sort
it has promise we need to see it on other cycles first
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