My faithful KA18 dishwasher bit the dust-pump bad---Installed my WP KA and NOTHING-board in it fried from a storm-reason I put in that older KA.Now its washing dishes by hand until I decide to buy a new 3 hr "dish sprinkler" or continue doing by hand.I am single so I don't generate much dishes-I do like the convenience of a dishwasher-but don't want to wait 3 hrs.If so-just will wash by hand.Does anyone still make a basic,mechanical timer machine-perfect for my lightening prone area.I really don't care how noisey the thing is-just close the kitchen door while it runs.You know-now wished I still had the builders model Hotpoint that started all of this-it was noisey-but did the job-storms didn't bother it.
Anybody else completely fed up with the long wash times
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laundromat
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In my experiences with dirty dishes and/or dirty, laundry are many and my original expectations of cycle times was a meer half hour. After 1963, we had a Lady Kenmore gas washer dryer combination which ,from wash through dry,took anywhere from forty five to one hundred twenty minutes. So,longer cycles to me are of no dissatisfaction. Most people aren't there when the cycle is over and,if they are so concerned about cycle length, they need to read their use and care/ owners manial. Every frontoading washer I've seen or owned has a "quick cycle" on the program selector. They divide three rinses into a wash with two rinses and a final high speed spin out. It's actually three rinses with the dispenser flushing into the detergent cup on the first rinse, draining and refilling for the first rinse, draining,spinning and refilling dispensing the,fabric softener. Then the drain and final spin. All in a meer eighteen minutes.
My Kenmore convertible is made by Whirlpool and has a sani cycle for pots and pans. It takes a good 90 minutes to two hours but, we run it at night and never hear it. No pre rinsing, random loading and NEVER having to rewash anything.Never! It's a 99' model. I run it once a month with a cup of Spray-9 and run it through pots and pans empty. That really gets the goo and cleans the entire inside. Makes, the spray arm holes cleaned out too.
In my experiences with dirty dishes and/or dirty, laundry are many and my original expectations of cycle times was a meer half hour. After 1963, we had a Lady Kenmore gas washer dryer combination which ,from wash through dry,took anywhere from forty five to one hundred twenty minutes. So,longer cycles to me are of no dissatisfaction. Most people aren't there when the cycle is over and,if they are so concerned about cycle length, they need to read their use and care/ owners manial. Every frontoading washer I've seen or owned has a "quick cycle" on the program selector. They divide three rinses into a wash with two rinses and a final high speed spin out. It's actually three rinses with the dispenser flushing into the detergent cup on the first rinse, draining and refilling for the first rinse, draining,spinning and refilling dispensing the,fabric softener. Then the drain and final spin. All in a meer eighteen minutes.
My Kenmore convertible is made by Whirlpool and has a sani cycle for pots and pans. It takes a good 90 minutes to two hours but, we run it at night and never hear it. No pre rinsing, random loading and NEVER having to rewash anything.Never! It's a 99' model. I run it once a month with a cup of Spray-9 and run it through pots and pans empty. That really gets the goo and cleans the entire inside. Makes, the spray arm holes cleaned out too.
KDI 23
only takes one hour...start to end of drying! And it scrubbed all that burned on turkey juice without any intervention from me!
only takes one hour...start to end of drying! And it scrubbed all that burned on turkey juice without any intervention from me!
turquoisedude
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Multiple dishwashers can solve the problem
You know, even Hubby is starting to agree with me on that... LOL Of course, we're using vintage dishwashers and although I'm having some issues with really heavy soils in the late-80s Maytag in St-Liboire, the overall results are good and cycle times on that machine are a maximum of an hour and 15 minutes!
The older KitchenAids I use (mostly the '62 KDS54 these days) are even faster and do a darn fine cleaning job in general too!
You know, even Hubby is starting to agree with me on that... LOL Of course, we're using vintage dishwashers and although I'm having some issues with really heavy soils in the late-80s Maytag in St-Liboire, the overall results are good and cycle times on that machine are a maximum of an hour and 15 minutes!
The older KitchenAids I use (mostly the '62 KDS54 these days) are even faster and do a darn fine cleaning job in general too!
mark_wpduet
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I don't feel like I've really had to adapt
or maybe I did some with my Duet, but it didn't take long before I freaking loved it and realized even though it took a little longer, I was doing less loads of laundry.......As for my dishwasher that's relatively new (bought last summer) and it's a Maytag with stainless interior - the cycle I always use is auto clean/hi temp/tough scrub/air dry, it takes the same amount of time as my Whirlpool did on pots/pans, about 90 to 100 min's.
In fact, I'm trying to remember dishwashers that I've grown up with only running and HOUR, and I can't! We had a GE in the 70s/80s, my grandma had a mid 80s Whirlpool, then I lived with a mid 90s Kenmore in a house that I rented, then there was another house I rented that had a Magic Chef dishwasher that I HATED. I don't remember ANY of them only running an hour. It always felt like 90 min's to me (give or take). I've never used a KitchenAid dishwasher though.
or maybe I did some with my Duet, but it didn't take long before I freaking loved it and realized even though it took a little longer, I was doing less loads of laundry.......As for my dishwasher that's relatively new (bought last summer) and it's a Maytag with stainless interior - the cycle I always use is auto clean/hi temp/tough scrub/air dry, it takes the same amount of time as my Whirlpool did on pots/pans, about 90 to 100 min's.
In fact, I'm trying to remember dishwashers that I've grown up with only running and HOUR, and I can't! We had a GE in the 70s/80s, my grandma had a mid 80s Whirlpool, then I lived with a mid 90s Kenmore in a house that I rented, then there was another house I rented that had a Magic Chef dishwasher that I HATED. I don't remember ANY of them only running an hour. It always felt like 90 min's to me (give or take). I've never used a KitchenAid dishwasher though.
I certainly can relate on the long wash times for the dishwasher. I have a new KA and the heavy soil cycle is 210 min.s long. The ProClean cycle is over 2 hours long. We are a 2 person household, and I'm finding myself washing by hand on days that I just want to be done and out of the kitchen. If one of us gets sick, then we'll use it more often.
launderess
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We've been down this path before
We know the reasons why laundry and dish washing times have increased for automatic machines; water/energy use has been lowered/restricted down to obscene levels.
We also know the four (or five depending upon how you count them) factors for good cleaning performance in a dishwasher or washing machine. When one is lowered (in this case water usage) one or more of the others must increase to compensate.
My vintage Mobile Maid would drive tree huggers up the wall with it's five or more changes of hot water *and* deep fills at that. But again it can complete a full cycle with the most grimy dishes in <50 minutes (give or take).
Since childhood we were taught never to leave the house with any appliance running. Only thing that escaped that rule was the electric clocks. We also rarely went to bed with anything on either.
We know the reasons why laundry and dish washing times have increased for automatic machines; water/energy use has been lowered/restricted down to obscene levels.
We also know the four (or five depending upon how you count them) factors for good cleaning performance in a dishwasher or washing machine. When one is lowered (in this case water usage) one or more of the others must increase to compensate.
My vintage Mobile Maid would drive tree huggers up the wall with it's five or more changes of hot water *and* deep fills at that. But again it can complete a full cycle with the most grimy dishes in <50 minutes (give or take).
Since childhood we were taught never to leave the house with any appliance running. Only thing that escaped that rule was the electric clocks. We also rarely went to bed with anything on either.
"We are a 2 person household, and I'm finding myself washing by hand on days that I just want to be done and out of the kitchen."
I'm sorry, but I don't understand. Wouldn't you be quicker out of the kitchen if you used the dishwasher instead of washing by hand?
I'm sorry, but I don't understand. Wouldn't you be quicker out of the kitchen if you used the dishwasher instead of washing by hand?
Cycle times in new Kenmore Elite don't bother me. 1-2 person household. I unload it in the morning or early in the day sometime. When it's just me, or when I have extremely heavy soil, I get in and out of the kitchen fast. I don't rinse anything, just scape and accumulate a load as it builds. Then start it at night and go to bed. Minimal time. Done and out. I refuse and detest to wash anything by hand. Had a bunch of prep stuff and pots building in the sink and waited for dishwasher to finish. Once I could unload it, I had all the dirty dishes loaded in less than 5 minutes and sink scrubbed out. I'm also finding the 1-hour cycle to be quite effective with more things than I thought. Only once have I pulled a mixing bowl that kneaded bread dough and sat for a day to have to go back in. I use cycles accordingly. People also know do not wash anything by hand. Let it accumulate in the sink until the dishwasher is finished. Because I won't use anything that isn't run through the dishwasher. And I'll pull it out of the cabinet if they dare do wash something by hand.
warmsecondrinse
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I agree, Foraloysius. However, we seem to be in the minority. I totally understand the logic of 18" dishwashers and countertop dishwashers for small households. Perhaps someone could explain why handwashing is easier?
For me, MY kitchen will have a dish drawer mounted under my 42" counters
Speaking of dishdrawers, did anyone here host a huge dinner and clean up with a dish drawer?
Jim
For me, MY kitchen will have a dish drawer mounted under my 42" counters
Speaking of dishdrawers, did anyone here host a huge dinner and clean up with a dish drawer?
Jim
Cycle times don't bother mee too much. I'd rather have a machine work two hours for me than stand over the twin tub or sink and wash clothes or dishes manually. Sure, a twin tub or manual dishwashing gets to job done faster from start to finish - but - it needs <span style="text-decoration: underline;">my</span> constant attention during that time, while a machine is loaded and unloaded in minutes and then works <span style="text-decoration: underline;">on it's own</span>.
washingpowder
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While it could be irritating to have a washing machine run longer than 30min, it usually means cleaner clothes.
When using TL machines had to resort to long soaks, sometimes overnight.
Dishwasher only bothers me when speaking of a portable (unfortunate current setup). However, previous Maytag actually produced fantastic results and I didn't mind the 2-3 hours it took *that* much. Bought a used Frigidaire 640 series. While fast (70-80min) it requires constant babying and even with the help of STPP can't clean worth a damn.
When using TL machines had to resort to long soaks, sometimes overnight.
Dishwasher only bothers me when speaking of a portable (unfortunate current setup). However, previous Maytag actually produced fantastic results and I didn't mind the 2-3 hours it took *that* much. Bought a used Frigidaire 640 series. While fast (70-80min) it requires constant babying and even with the help of STPP can't clean worth a damn.
jakeseacrest
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I'm like Bob in the same respect....I detest hand washing. After I loaded all the Thanksgiving dishes I still had at least a load and a half of dishes and pots that needed to be washed. My mother offered to hand wash the rest and I told her no they'll wait for the dishwasher. Not to mention that I don't even own a drying rack so they would have been stacked everywhere on towels.
mark_wpduet
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Appnut -
SAME! I don't like using anything that hasn't been ran through the dishwasher either. If it can't all go in, it collects in the sink, dishwasher gets unloaded when the dishes flash dry with door open, then dirty dishes that collected in sink go in. Most of the time this doesn't happen and I'm able to get everything in.
Of all the places I've lived, I would not live in a place that did not have a dishwasher. I saw several nice places over the years that I wanted, but kept looking if the house/apartment did not have one. I don't care about long wash times. I can barely even hear my Maytag running and it's not as quiet as some of the higher end models.
SAME! I don't like using anything that hasn't been ran through the dishwasher either. If it can't all go in, it collects in the sink, dishwasher gets unloaded when the dishes flash dry with door open, then dirty dishes that collected in sink go in. Most of the time this doesn't happen and I'm able to get everything in.
Of all the places I've lived, I would not live in a place that did not have a dishwasher. I saw several nice places over the years that I wanted, but kept looking if the house/apartment did not have one. I don't care about long wash times. I can barely even hear my Maytag running and it's not as quiet as some of the higher end models.
Ditto Mark and Bob, here too
Even when a plate is loaned to MIL next door, when it comes home it still goes thru the DW. Forget flash drying and immediately unloading unless wearing an oven mitt though...everything's way too hot for that! When my ex and I lived in two apartments we bought the Maytag portable that I later built in and just now removed from the kitchen. I've had a DW in my life since I was 3 years old and refused to be without one.
Even when a plate is loaned to MIL next door, when it comes home it still goes thru the DW. Forget flash drying and immediately unloading unless wearing an oven mitt though...everything's way too hot for that! When my ex and I lived in two apartments we bought the Maytag portable that I later built in and just now removed from the kitchen. I've had a DW in my life since I was 3 years old and refused to be without one.
Hi Guys, well I didn't know that my brief comment would bring as much attention to washing by hand, really didn't think much about it when I posted. As I've mentioned on a few posts, I am a caregiver to my elderly father right now and anyone who has cared for the elderly knows the different challenges life can often bring. One is loading a dishwasher, running it through the cycle overnight and coming back to it only to find dirty dishes as been added into the dishwasher while I was at work or away, then run them through a 2nd time and come back to it and put them away. When I wash by hand, dry and put them away, then I'm done. I do use the dishwasher on days of heavy cooking but that is once a week at most, and I do that to keep the seals on the inside from drying out. I usually sanitize them by spraying a little bleach in the soapy dishwater, but not much.
Hope this helps to understand why. My life is a full time job, so I value, very much, when I can sit and relax or go to the gym, and not be in the kitchen!!! LOL.
Barry
Hope this helps to understand why. My life is a full time job, so I value, very much, when I can sit and relax or go to the gym, and not be in the kitchen!!! LOL.
Barry
Also, it was interesting to find out that, for different reasons, a couple of my co-workers at work do the same thing by washing by hand rather than wait on the long cycle times. It felt good not to be alone in doing so. lol. It's all good!!!
mark_wpduet
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It's OK
It's interesting the different mentality people have about using a dishwasher - but whatever works for you then keep doing it.
There are LOTS of people who have dishwashers and never use them. Dishwashers and Clothes washers are my favorite appliances. Dryers, refrigerators, ranges, toasters= BORING to me.
It's interesting the different mentality people have about using a dishwasher - but whatever works for you then keep doing it.
There are LOTS of people who have dishwashers and never use them. Dishwashers and Clothes washers are my favorite appliances. Dryers, refrigerators, ranges, toasters= BORING to me.
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