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"BUT our government made the discision for us"
These words are what makes America different.
In the US "WE THE PEOPLE" are the Government. We tell the Government our discsions and they are suppose to carry out our orders. If they don't carry out the "Will of the People", then we will replace them. This is why people here in the US are sick and tired of the Government telling us how to live our lives. This is not the way our country was founded or suppose to work.
The Government should keep their hands off my Laundry room, Kitchen, Food pantry, Bedroom, Thermostat, etc.......
This is why many people, here in the US, are getting angry about how our appliances are being destroyed by the Government against our will. Your appliances give you the choice of green or not green. Our appliances here do not give us these choices.
I'm not trying to be hateful, just trying to show you the difference between the US and German ideas of Government.
"BUT our government made the discision for us"
These words are what makes America different.
In the US "WE THE PEOPLE" are the Government. We tell the Government our discsions and they are suppose to carry out our orders. If they don't carry out the "Will of the People", then we will replace them. This is why people here in the US are sick and tired of the Government telling us how to live our lives. This is not the way our country was founded or suppose to work.
The Government should keep their hands off my Laundry room, Kitchen, Food pantry, Bedroom, Thermostat, etc.......
This is why many people, here in the US, are getting angry about how our appliances are being destroyed by the Government against our will. Your appliances give you the choice of green or not green. Our appliances here do not give us these choices.
I'm not trying to be hateful, just trying to show you the difference between the US and German ideas of Government.
I don't think there is anyone in the government interested in the energy use of appliances. There are just a few civil servants who focus on such things and have nothing else to do. This energy saving has both been going on under republican and democrat presidents. Appliances are just not important enough to draw the attention of anyone important. It's not a political thing, it just happens no matter who is in office.
Sorry for getting off topic. Political discussions belong in the Dirty Laundry forum after all.
Sorry for getting off topic. Political discussions belong in the Dirty Laundry forum after all.
alineber great might be stretching things a little
Ok maybe a lot!
I just got done watching Wolf Blowhard totally get off the track reporting on the Malaysian air crash and it took Pat Smith of askthepilot.com to level set him and get back to what is known, rather than compare a 777 safety record to that of a 737 et cetera.
Anyway, I put this out because this is an example of what an out of control agenda driven media does. It ignores facts and makes up stuff to fill a time slot or to garner ratings.
Same thing with laundry appliances. Too much hyperbole and not enough common sense means we're stuck with on the surface "green" products that have a much less green impact when one gives it a bit of thought.
Which is my big beef with most people today; they are unable or simply unwilling to get past what the media tells them and they accept it as the gospel.
But we have our Speed Queens and you can rest easy knowing a lot of members here seek out and restore old school washers and get them back to pristine condition and use them daily. Some have posted vids or pics and it really is great to see that going on.
Now if I can just reach out to Frigilux and get him off the laundry pods and back to his usual powder or liquid, I will rest easier at night!
Ok maybe a lot!
I just got done watching Wolf Blowhard totally get off the track reporting on the Malaysian air crash and it took Pat Smith of askthepilot.com to level set him and get back to what is known, rather than compare a 777 safety record to that of a 737 et cetera.
Anyway, I put this out because this is an example of what an out of control agenda driven media does. It ignores facts and makes up stuff to fill a time slot or to garner ratings.
Same thing with laundry appliances. Too much hyperbole and not enough common sense means we're stuck with on the surface "green" products that have a much less green impact when one gives it a bit of thought.
Which is my big beef with most people today; they are unable or simply unwilling to get past what the media tells them and they accept it as the gospel.
But we have our Speed Queens and you can rest easy knowing a lot of members here seek out and restore old school washers and get them back to pristine condition and use them daily. Some have posted vids or pics and it really is great to see that going on.
Now if I can just reach out to Frigilux and get him off the laundry pods and back to his usual powder or liquid, I will rest easier at night!
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Since we are careering off topic anyway....
Governments do have a vested interest as increase energy use means the stuff has to come from somewhere. That means either building dams, burning fuels or nuclear. While the USA is blessed with abundant natural resources they are not infinite. Even then you cannot continue building more and more power plants much less increasing distribution systems forever. The ideal solution is going to involve some means of controlling demand as well.
European countries OTOH aren't always blessed with lots of fuels. Leaving aside the UK and other countries with access to North Sea oil reserves the most abundant fuel is probably coal, which brings it's own problems. Nuclear is rapidly falling out of favour with certain segments of the population but when you take that option off the table as France and Germany seem to be going, what replaces? Yes you can continue brining in natural gas from the East including Russia, but that is propping up Czar Putin of all the Russias.
As with so many other issues European countries can get away with top down edicts because of strong central governments.
Governments do have a vested interest as increase energy use means the stuff has to come from somewhere. That means either building dams, burning fuels or nuclear. While the USA is blessed with abundant natural resources they are not infinite. Even then you cannot continue building more and more power plants much less increasing distribution systems forever. The ideal solution is going to involve some means of controlling demand as well.
European countries OTOH aren't always blessed with lots of fuels. Leaving aside the UK and other countries with access to North Sea oil reserves the most abundant fuel is probably coal, which brings it's own problems. Nuclear is rapidly falling out of favour with certain segments of the population but when you take that option off the table as France and Germany seem to be going, what replaces? Yes you can continue brining in natural gas from the East including Russia, but that is propping up Czar Putin of all the Russias.
As with so many other issues European countries can get away with top down edicts because of strong central governments.
Hey washman
You are so right, about the out of control agenda driven media.
"Which is my big beef with most people today; they are unable or simply unwilling to get past what the media tells them and they accept it as the gospel."
Lord isn't that the truth. When I have to deal with these people, I feel like Jean Stapleton in the 1971 movie Cold Turkey. There is a scene in the movie where she is about to go crazy, walking along the sidewalk, so she turns towards a light pole and start hitting her head against the pole. LOL!
I use Tide original powder in my Speed Queen top loader.
Thank you washman, Thank you Speed Queen, & Thank all of you vintage appliance restorers and sellers for helping me to keep my sanity. LOL!!!!
You are so right, about the out of control agenda driven media.
"Which is my big beef with most people today; they are unable or simply unwilling to get past what the media tells them and they accept it as the gospel."
Lord isn't that the truth. When I have to deal with these people, I feel like Jean Stapleton in the 1971 movie Cold Turkey. There is a scene in the movie where she is about to go crazy, walking along the sidewalk, so she turns towards a light pole and start hitting her head against the pole. LOL!
I use Tide original powder in my Speed Queen top loader.
Thank you washman, Thank you Speed Queen, & Thank all of you vintage appliance restorers and sellers for helping me to keep my sanity. LOL!!!!
Yes washman, Bosch/Siemens Home Appliances is selling a washer that can wash up to 6.5 hours. Of course, you'll have to select a special cycle and press the ecoPerfect button to get it to wash that long and to achieve the energy savings that are promised on the big green sticker on the washer's front - but as long as people are only looking at the energy label and buy whatever uses the least energy that's what will be bought. I remember when I worked for Europe's biggest retailer of electronics: so many people would walk through the aisle with a piece of paper and actually note down the exact energy usage of an appliance. It was like they were obsessed with it. Sure, some would come up to me and ask for my advice but most didn't care.
We'll see where things are going. Recently, even Miele, a brand typically known for no-nonsense appliances, has added self-cleaning cycles to their washers and even dishwashers along with a warning in the manual against the too frequent use of the low-temp Eco cycle.
Oh well, I realize this is turning into a "The limited usefulness of the EU energy label" argument so I shall stop here.
Heat-pump dryer, eh? I don't have one, don't want one - unless I could embrace the idea of abandoning my one laundry day in exchange for doing laundry several days in a row or during the night.
We'll see where things are going. Recently, even Miele, a brand typically known for no-nonsense appliances, has added self-cleaning cycles to their washers and even dishwashers along with a warning in the manual against the too frequent use of the low-temp Eco cycle.
Oh well, I realize this is turning into a "The limited usefulness of the EU energy label" argument so I shall stop here.
Heat-pump dryer, eh? I don't have one, don't want one - unless I could embrace the idea of abandoning my one laundry day in exchange for doing laundry several days in a row or during the night.
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