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Hi, guys. :-)

I’ve been looking for Ariel Hygiene powder. I ordered some but was today given a refund because it is out of stock.

I have looked on allsorts of UK websites to find it, but I can only find suppliers to schools, which I know from experience, and trying on here, do not supply to the general public.

Do any of you know if perhaps this detergents is no longer available, or if there is somewhere in the UK that I could order it online of via telephone?

For those of you who don’t know what Ariel Hygiene is, it’s a detergent that is meant to kill bacteria at 40°C. I know it’s possible to kill bacteria with a standard detergent on my Miele’s 75°C Cottons programme, but not all of the items can be washed at that temperature of course.

If Ariel Hygiene is not longer readily available in the UK, could anyone suggest an alternative way of dealing with bacteria? To be blunt, we have an elderly relative whose washing we do. She has carers, but we deal with the washing. We have all the NHS (National Health Service – the British state free public health system) guidelines here for dealing with washing that is soiled with foul matter (blood, urine, fasces, etc.) She does not make a terrible mess, bless her, although she has had some horrible ‘accidents’ that Mum and Dad have had to clear up for her at a moment’s notice. All of these items are washed alone of course, as per the NHS instructions, but we do need to add some form of antibacterial/antiseptic action according to the NHS. However, the only NHS suggestion is adding hypochlorite bleach, which it points out may not suit all items. It also suggests adding it to the final rinse, which can’t be right because the clothes will be soaked in them and not rinsed out!

I know a good soaking with a powerful biological powder with a heavy soiling measure should do the trick in terms of removing all matter by surfactant and biological action alone, but we do need to add some form of antibacterial/antiseptic action as well. These items are, after all, only washable at 40°C.

Don’t panic, folks – our machine is cleaned out afterwards anyway until we can get something that will work. :-)

Any ideas? Would it work if we added some form of laundry bleach or disinfectant to the wash? Don’t laundry bleaches if present in the detergent and also added separately cancel each other out, or am I talking nonsense? hehe ;-) Trouble is, some of her clothes probably won’t take strong bleach, although they should be OK with laundry bleach. However, laundry bleach is not antiseptic, is it? A prewash has to be done for this sort of load, as per the NHS.

Sorry if this is a bit uncomfortable, but it’s a fact of life for many. :-(

Many thanks. :-)

Regards,

Carl :-)
 
Cleaning Afterwards

After such loads, our machine is put on a full maintenance wash – that is, boiled on Cottons 95 with a powerful biological powder’s heavy maximum dose and on prewash. That will of course sterilise the machine, but we need to get some sterilisation done during a 40°C wash.

Thanks again. :-) I’ll leave it with you guys. :-) All suggestions of course welcome from all over the world! :-)

Carl :-)
 
Carl

I know your problem very well, you aren't alone there, believe me.
First of all, if you are using a modern detergent, it will generate enough lactic acid even at 40°C to kill just 'bout everything.
But since hygene was your question, here is an answer. This stuff is added to the wash at the start of the program:
Dettol Anti-Bacterial Disinfectant – Fresh Fragrance

* Kills 99.9% of harmful bacteria such as Salmonella, Listeria and E.coli.
* Kills antibiotic resistant bacteria such as MRSA.
* Non Bleach formula—won't stain clothes or fabrics.
* Use to disinfect all around the home.
* Light, fresh fragrance.
* Available in a 500ml bottle.
The stuff is known as "Sagrotan" outside of the UK and really does work. Just follow the directions exactly and keep it away from kids and food.
It works even in cold water.
You might want to take a look at their website; some pretty good tips on how to deal with similar problems as you are having:
Hope this helps
Keven
 
Carl

As a Hospital Laundry Manager I deal with your type of problem everyday. The most effective and sure way to deal with the problem is A good wash and chlorine bleach .. My I suggest a wash formula we use here on the domestic washers when whe have loads that are too small for the larger 50 or 100 lb machines. First we use a short warm wash around 95 is best 5 to 8 mins is plenty of time.. Then a Hot wash for 12 min. then hot bleach for 8 mins and rinses.. We have had the lab do many test on the loads and they all passed with flying colors.. It you use a bleach step after the wash it does not matter what detergent you use.. There will be very little carryover or cancel out of each product. If you have any problems I will be more than happy to help you just e mail me direct. Mac
 
It's not advisable to use chlorine bleach in a European front loader. Dettol taint/fragrance free should be quite safe to use in a washing machine though.

There are a few laundry sanitising products available too. If you go to a local medical supply store, you'll find them.

Dettol will not foam, so you should be quite safe to add it to a front loader.
It is completely effective against E.Coli, MRSA and most other bacteria and viruses. No temprature is required at all, it's effective on contact, even in a cold wash.

Their new taint free version will not make your machine smell like a hospital either. I wouldn't suggest using the 'traditional' dettol in your machine. It will take weeks to get rid of the smell!

If the soiled clothes are capable of taking a 95C wash, this will pretty much kill everything anyway.

 
Also-

Dettol and laundry sanitisers are not harsh on clothes (or the machine) and will kill the bugs without bleaching out the fabric!
Just make sure that you follow the instructions carefully and get the concentrations of chemicals in the wash high enough to be effective.
 
When Sudsman said

95 degree wash, he was referring, I am sure, to 95F.

(95 Fahrenheit is around 50 Celsius, if my aritmetic is not too far off. I said "around.")

One thing I do know is that underloading, whenever possible, will also aid in germ control.

When I have had to disinfect clothing that could not withstand chorine, I would use a pine oil disinfectant (READ THE LABELS! Not every pine cleaner is a disinfectant!!) The two drawbacks to pine oil are the very distinctive (though not unpleasant) scent, and the sudsing, which is less of an issue in a TL washer.

In the last year of her life, my mother had frequent accidents, and I would just snap on some disposable gloves, remove any organic matter, and then wash the soiled item(s) without too much fussing. I was in very good health that year, and I didn't routinely boil my washer.

Of course, if it had been a Highly Contagious Illness, I would have been more vigilant, but this was not Highly Contagious Illness. It was just a human winding down.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
If you go down the baby aisle in your local Tesco's near the baby bottles and sterilizing equipment... Look for a small blue,red and white box that says:NAPISAN. On it. This is a great stain remover and sterilizer and kills germs at temps as low as 30*c!!

I have used this product before mainly on towels and heavily stained socks and have found just a tablespoon of the stuff is more than adequate!

Good Luck with your research into new products!

P.S It's safe for colors and whites!

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Ariel, Bold, Daz, Persil, Surf or Fairy POWDERS should be sufficient enough. They all have the Oxygen-based bleaching agents, and the TAED bleach activators. (The 'Colour' versions do not have bleach).

The Biological (green box) versions of Ariel and Persil should perform the best, as they also have better enzymes to break down stains.

I think the "Hygiene" branding was preying upon peoples' fears. Standard detergents, used properly will perform just as well.

Cash & Carry should be able to supply "Professional" detergents.
 
Hi, Rolls_rapide. :-)

Having Ariel Hygiene was certainly not my favourite idea, having run out of ideas, although I didn’t think to come on here and ask! D’oh! :-)

My Dad has to undertake regular health, hygiene and safety courses at work, and many of the things on sale to deal with ‘bugs’, as they are called by the media at times, are a waste of money, if not dangerous in the long term.

Apparently, as pointed out here by other members, the Dettol with a mild fragrance is a good addition if such measures are desperately needed where clothes cannot take hard bleach. You just have to look on the back of the bottle for the instructions – 100ml added to the rinse cycle.

Thanks again for all your suggestions, everyone. :-)

Regards,

Carl :-)
 
Carl

I didn't mean anything nasty by that remark :-)

Remember when manufacturers went overboard, and put 'Microban' ingredients into everything, from chopping boards to pedal bins?

I had the distinct impression, when I saw Ariel Hygiene at first, that P&G had jumped on that bandwagon too.

Then there were scares of bacteria developing a resistance to those antibacterial properties.

Most recently, there was mention of certain hospital-favoured disinfectants actually promoting growth of MRSA. The ones that killed the germ were the chlorine based detergents.

Ohhh! An idea has suddenly occurred to me!!!

Could you use "MILTON Sterilising fluid" (The stuff used for babies' bottles)? It is comprised of chlorine bleach, but I believe it is of a weaker strength.
 
5.25%

Chlorine is all you need to be an effective germicide.

Standard American Clorox is 5.25%, and is registered as an effective germicide by the Environmental Protection Agency.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Hi, Rolls_rapide. :-)

No offence taken at all. :-)

Thanks very much. :-)

I remember Microban products. :-) Sainsbury’s, for example, had loads of their own-brand products covered in the stuff! hehe :-)

Milton could be used, but apparently Dettol (the milder fragrance one) can be used. :-)

I’ll say more later. :-) Take care. :-)

Regards,

Carl :-)
 

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