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Washing powder.

Every time I shop I buy a box no matter if I need it or not.

I have gone mad today and bought some Miele own dish tabs and a box of white powder will compare it to the ones I have already.

Time will tell and I will post results :)

Austin
 
Gave Ariel pods a go. They cleaned as well as you’d expect a top of the line product would but the scent is terrible. Yet another over perfumed P&G product.

I basically can’t use Ariel as the scent literally gives me a headache and the same applies to their fabric softeners.

It’s a hard scent to describe. It’s not at all floral, but just this over powering, slightly piney / citrusy completely synthetic scent.

Back to Ultraphase for me!
 
P&G

Do love their scents (but I actually find Persil stronger).

But apparently market research has told them time and time again, that a strong scent is important, so they seem to load it up. Interestingly Bold scent seems to have been very much dumbed down (suspect this is since they have started recommending you use it alongside Lenor Unstoppables scent beads AND Lenor fabric softener - as if you would).

Ariel have not long changed the scent of their pods (I think for the first time since launch in 2012), I actually really liked the scent of them, the new ones are not a million miles away, but not the same, but haven't used them yet. I have 3 versions, the one I find the closest to the original is the Ariel + Oxi pods.

But yeah, if you're not a fan of stronger scents then the main stream brands are questionable, the interesting one is Fairy pods or the Gel- they absolutely reek, don't know how they can suggest for babies, you'd gas them out. The ex Mrs uses them and on the occasion she has washing here, I cannot wash that scent out, it's impossible.
 
Update

I hate to bump this thread, however there is a lot of very important information here. I know this isn't new to those in Europe, but it is for those in the US.

Novozymes, the manufacturer of Phosphodiesterase (PDE) has released more info in regards to the enzyme. Also, I have purchased a bag of Ariel All-in-1 to try. More on that later.

"In addition to the stains we pick up on our clothes, there is also an invisible mix of residual skin cells, sebum, soils, and sweat (called body grime) that builds in layers on our fabrics causing persistent malodor and discoloration – challenges that today’s traditional detergents have yet to solve."
"Novozymes Pristine® is a phosphodiesterase enzyme (PDE). It breaks down the invisible layers of body grime and releases dirt and odor that might be trapped - and even prevents it from latching on to fabrics in the first place. That way, clothes get hygienically clean, and are less prone to yellowing, decolorization, and forming that lingering odor. That’s also good news for the planet, since fabrics last longer and thereby won’t be discarded so fast."

Given some of this info, PDE supposedly directly attacks body grime and other substances produced by the body externally. PDE will break these compounds down more than previously possible without the enzyme. This also allows dirt and other soils within the 'body grime' to be removed from the clothes effectively. Since this is an enzyme, this process can occur at lower temperatures, though at a slower rate. Though more importantly, the removal of this 'body grime' occurs in temperatures lower than possible before.

My own experience:
I sweat somewhat bad and use clinical strength deodorant that tends to stick around on clothes. I used one plain-jane Ariel All-in-1 Pod for a load of darks in the GE. Normal cycle, light soil, cool water, and a 1 hour soak. Only additives were 2 Tbsp STPP. The results? KILLER! Issues with BO or deodorant were removed in this low temperature wash. Shirts that are years old smell and look as close to new as possible. I figured I would try it with a load of sheets. Same cycle as before, except with hot water. Same results. A load of shirts, underwear, and socks that I would usually wash in hot, but this time tried in warm? Same results. All of these loads are just using ONE pod.

I couldn't imagine the results in the Kenmore. A significantly better machine than the GE.
 
Failed to mention

There are two factors I failed to discuss above.
As many of you know, time will be an issue for those using the product in the US. A majority of cycles ran are quicker than those overseas. Hence why I used the 1 hour soak option. The benefit for those using short cycle times would not be as profound, though many newer machines are using longer wash time. Soak cycles or options would help this.
The other factor is temperature. I briefly brushed on this topic, but can discuss more now. This enzyme supposedly is more stable and active at all temperatures. Meaning, the enzyme will work in a low temperature wash, but just more slowly. Why this is significant, is because the breakdown of ‘body grime’ does not require a temperature at or above the melting point of sebum/body oil. While it may not be as effective as a warm wash to melt and remove sebum, for the first time, there will be an active component to detergents that will seek out and work directly on these soils in lower temperatures. This was proven to me on the cycle of darks that was washed at 75°F.

I know I am beating this to death, but it is somewhat of a revolution in laundry.
 
Soaking with enzymes

 
I like a good soak.  My F&P agitator and impeller washers have an option for a 2-hr soak during the wash period ... several mins of agitation, soak with a few agitation strokes every 1 to 5 mins (depending which model machine), then a few mins more agitation after the soak before draining.  Combining Soak with Time Saver on the agitator models cuts it to 1 hr.  Impeller models, the user can advance the soak after the desired time has elapsed to manually shorten it if desired.  Some of the specialty cycles have a hard-coded 30-mins or 15-mins soak.
 
Main "revolutionary" thing about Purezyme and other technology of late is that they are designed for lower wash temps (> 120 degrees F), and useful in cleaning synthetic fabrics.

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jos1956/41/6/41_6_472/_pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...3c5a94-39ed-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html

Surfactants, alkaline pH, hot water and good mechanical action will get out body soils. That is how things were done for ages using nothing more than just soap and say sodium metasilicate. Laundries also used other high pH substances such as sodium hydroxide (lye), washing soda, ammonium hydroxide (liquid ammonia), and etc... to "break" such soils from fabrics.

Next to sheets and pillow cases of course other main culprit for sweat stains were collars of shirts, underarm areas of undershirts or dress shirts.

https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/advice/a41064/ring-around-the-shirt-collar/

When liquid detergents like Wisk hit the scene it was a break through. Unlike powdered detergents of old these products contained high levels of surfactants and solvents (eventually along with enzymes).



Main issues today with body oil and textiles stems from same as host of other problems; people are washing at lower temps to just cold water. This and as noted synthetic fabrics have different properties than natural. Polyester along with some other man made fibers actually love oils and resist water. Not a great combination for getting things clean..
 
To be fair to the developers of this stuff, enzyme technology is in a golden age at the moment because they can be very accurately engineered in ways that just weren’t possible even in the early 2000s never mind the era when Wisk was being advertised.

The use of enzymes allows lower washing temperatures and it also means you can potentially reduce the reliance on a whole load of chemical ingredients that are much more environmentally burdensome both when flushed into sewage treatment and during manufacturing.

We’re very much living in an age of biotechnology rather than just chemistry.

It’s not just about reduction of temperature / saving water heating energy inputs.

Many of those enzymes are also capable of working quite rapidly, so are suitable for shorter cycles.
 
bump

Doing it again. Sorry!

However! The first product to contain Phosphodiesterase/Deoxyribonuclease (the same, as far as my slightly educated self is aware) is on the market!

From who? Dirty Labs.
It is in the form of a Laundry Booster. It is fragrance free also. $13.50 for 48 loads.

Ingredients: sodium carbonate, sodium percarbonate, sodium citrate, deoxyribonuclease, sodium silicate, tartaric acid (Biobased whitening activator?), carboxymethylcellulose.

It really isn't in the budget right now, but probably will end up on my front porch soon.

https://dirtylabs.com/products/bio-enzyme-laundry-booster
 
Dirty Labs booster

Hi all, been a lurker on the forums but finally got around to joining! I love talking about enzymes.

Lakewebsterkid, I looked into it and deoxyribonuclease (DNase for short) is a type of phosphodiesterase focused on DNA, whereas phosphodiesterase is a broader term for any enzyme that breaks down phosphodiester bonds.

Anyhow, I’ve actually tried the Dirty Labs booster and it’s pretty unremarkable thus far, but their detergent is pretty good anyway (chock full of protease, amylase, mannanase, pectinase, and cellulase and very concentrated to boot). As a point of note I had a shirt with a random blood stain that has persisted for months that was clean in two washes with their detergent + a generic oxy (versus my previous regimens of a “standard” detergent + oxy.

I’ve got a real test for it coming up soon though as I have some towels and sheets that need a good deep clean. Will report back.

Apparently Dirty Labs’ chief of science is formerly of Henkel/Dial so they know their stuff.
 
jaybird14

Welcome!

Very interesting to hear about their Chief of Science.
Ironically, I just received my first container of booster today! I am running a cycle with towels to just try it out. I don't expect any major results as these towels are still fairly new. The water in the GE does look like there is some oxidizing power to it! Keep us updated!
 
Booster update

Lakewebsterkid, funny how these things go, eh! Both of us doing towels with the booster.

Just wrapped up a load of sheets and towels with the booster. Overall good results, probably better than with a generic "oxy" product but not as good as with an activated bleaching system. For context some of these towels had random blood stains and it definitely got them 80% out.

This was with a "large load" dose of the Dirty Labs detergent and 1.5 scoops of the booster in my apartment's Speed Queen front loader on a "heavy" (43 minute) cycle. I believe the "heavy" cycle includes a prewash so I split the detergent and booster between prewash and main wash.

I do agree that only time will tell if regular use of the booster really does anything for a "deeper" clean. If it can prevent the yellowing/greying and mustiness I experience on my towels (that only deep soaking with an activated bleaching system could remove) then I'm all for it.
 
Very Interesting Discussion!

My t-shirts have permastink from years of being washed at dumbed-down low temps in my previous lousy Frigidaire washer. I've been washing them at high temps in the new Miele and the smell is slowly disappearing.

The Novozymes Pristine sounds amazing but it looks like it's not yet available in the USA. Today I purchased the Dirty Labs Bio Booster and look forward to trying it by utilizing the soak function in the Miele to give the enzymes time to work. I'll report back on my results.

I have to admit, I was a little worried when I googled deoxyribonuclease, the enzyme in Dirty Labs...It degrades DNA. That sounds a little scary to me. Anyone else wonder about that?
 
Probably based on the fact that laundry soiling is composed of a multitude of different types of dirt, phosphodiesterase is supposed to snip away at the bonds between DNA and the surface to be cleaned. It should work against 'ring round the collar' dead skin cells, sweat and sebum grime.

Since blood is composed of DNA, it seems sensible that that would be shifted too - in combination with the protease enzyme.

I also suppose that the cellulase enzyme would attack cotton fibrils and the phosphodiesterase enzyme should assist in loosening that soiling too, cotton being a natural fibre.

And I dare say starchy stains (amylase enzyme), pectin stains (pectate lyase enzyme) and gum based stains (mannanase enzyme) would also benefit with a further boost from phosphodiesterase.

I notice that the lipase enzyme for greasy stains seems not to be present in the phosphodiesterase formulation. I wonder why that is?
 
DNase role in detergent

I stumbled upon this research paper on the use of deoxyribonuclease (DNase) in laundry detergents and the rationale for including DNase seems to be to remove extracellular DNA (made by microbes that come with wearing and washing) that can create sticky residues over time, which soil then sticks to and which bacteria that cause stink can latch onto.

This falls in line with how Novozymes positions Pristine/phosphodiesterase, as being able to remove “sticky residue” that causes discolouration and “permastink”.

In the paper they have some very interesting pictures comparing clothing fibres washed with DNase and washed without.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-98939-0
 
Cystic Fibrosis

"However, they are using Deoxyribonuclease in inhaler form for patients with Cystic Fibrosis. It can't be *that* bad in minor exposures."

From Jaybird14's link:

Apparently it assists by: "reducing the viscosity of cystic fibrosis sputum."

Allowing patients, I presume, to clear their airways more efficiently.
 

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