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frontloader812
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I have found another Aussie on this site
I noticed on your profile that your favourite modern brand is Fisher and Paykel. What model do you have and how is it. We have a frontloader at the moment and hate it and are thinking of getting a F&P IW812. Tell me your experience good and bad we had an older F&P and absolutely loved it. But has there quality slipped
Thanks Jim
I noticed on your profile that your favourite modern brand is Fisher and Paykel. What model do you have and how is it. We have a frontloader at the moment and hate it and are thinking of getting a F&P IW812. Tell me your experience good and bad we had an older F&P and absolutely loved it. But has there quality slipped
Thanks Jim
F&P
Saw the F&P line @ a local retailer and thought they were impressive <br <br
How, though is it that the dryer looked very much like an American GE <br
How does the F&P T/L decide when there is enough water? Drag and resistance? <br
Thanks.
Saw the F&P line @ a local retailer and thought they were impressive <br <br
How, though is it that the dryer looked very much like an American GE <br
How does the F&P T/L decide when there is enough water? Drag and resistance? <br
Thanks.
Two processes are involved <br
First, it "weighs" the load. The wash basket sits atop a drive coupler on the motor shaft. There's an air dome in the bottom of the basket. As it fills, air is trapped and causes the basket to float upward slightly to disengage from the drive coupler. The motor rotates slowly during fill, and pulses gently at first so it can determine inertia of the basket while it is still settled down on the coupler. When the basket has floated, the inertia changes and the motor drive electronics can sense the difference. The machine fills to the next highest of the five water levels after it senses the basket has floated. Then, it does two types of agitation strokes to test the resistance of the load. The lower agitator fins are flexible. to assist with the sensing process <br
The frontload F&P dryer sold in the U.S. is made by Camco, a Canadian subsidiary of GE. The new toploader F&P dryer is imported from New Zealand, as are the washers.
First, it "weighs" the load. The wash basket sits atop a drive coupler on the motor shaft. There's an air dome in the bottom of the basket. As it fills, air is trapped and causes the basket to float upward slightly to disengage from the drive coupler. The motor rotates slowly during fill, and pulses gently at first so it can determine inertia of the basket while it is still settled down on the coupler. When the basket has floated, the inertia changes and the motor drive electronics can sense the difference. The machine fills to the next highest of the five water levels after it senses the basket has floated. Then, it does two types of agitation strokes to test the resistance of the load. The lower agitator fins are flexible. to assist with the sensing process <br
The frontload F&P dryer sold in the U.S. is made by Camco, a Canadian subsidiary of GE. The new toploader F&P dryer is imported from New Zealand, as are the washers.
Top-load dryer?
Thank you.... <br <br <br
Top-load dryer <br
KEWL. Links anyone? Wow how did I miss that one.
Thank you.... <br <br <br
Top-load dryer <br
KEWL. Links anyone? Wow how did I miss that one.
I've had the topload dryer since October 2004. I have some pics and a couple video clips around here somewhere . . . just gotta find 'em. Or, search the archives, Blue section.
arrrooohhh
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Hello Everyone! <br
Toggleswitch, Dryers are not used as frequently in Australia and NZ, line drying is still the most common option for drying clothes. The F&P dryers on our market are only compact size, though they are autosensing and come with windows <br
The American market as already stated is outsourced, and I think the TL dryer is specific for the US market <br
Frontloader812, Howdy! What kind of frontloader do you have and why do you dislike it? There is a learning curve with FL's that you have to get used to. My brother and sister and myself all have front loaders and we are very happy with them. My sister in particular likes how dry her clothes are when the cycle is finished and that she can wash all her delicates in them. She doesnt have a laundry room and likes the fact that she can store things on top of her Simpson front loader <br
After using our Mothers Whirlpool top loader when we stay there how much wetter the clothes are and how much detergent residue is left behind <br
Tell me why you dont like it and see if we can get around it first, its worth a try.
Toggleswitch, Dryers are not used as frequently in Australia and NZ, line drying is still the most common option for drying clothes. The F&P dryers on our market are only compact size, though they are autosensing and come with windows <br
The American market as already stated is outsourced, and I think the TL dryer is specific for the US market <br
Frontloader812, Howdy! What kind of frontloader do you have and why do you dislike it? There is a learning curve with FL's that you have to get used to. My brother and sister and myself all have front loaders and we are very happy with them. My sister in particular likes how dry her clothes are when the cycle is finished and that she can wash all her delicates in them. She doesnt have a laundry room and likes the fact that she can store things on top of her Simpson front loader <br
After using our Mothers Whirlpool top loader when we stay there how much wetter the clothes are and how much detergent residue is left behind <br
Tell me why you dont like it and see if we can get around it first, its worth a try.
arrrooohhh
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Classic Aussies
Seeing as this thread is about Aussie washers here is some pictures of great Aussie washers starting with my favourote, the Hoover square door front loader!
Seeing as this thread is about Aussie washers here is some pictures of great Aussie washers starting with my favourote, the Hoover square door front loader!
arrrooohhh
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Another old favourote!
Here is a Simpson Minimatic <br
at 54cm square its sure is a cute little baby
Here is a Simpson Minimatic <br
at 54cm square its sure is a cute little baby
frontloader812
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Hey arrrooohhh, why do I dislike my frontloader. Well the lack of detergent choice kills me. A whole isle for detergents and we frontloaders can choose from Omo Matic, Dymano Matic, Cold Power Matic, Radiant Matic and Duo Matic. Then they just take so long to go through a cycle and they fit no where near as much as a top loader. I have a LG WD1050 the washer cleans really well and spins at 1000 rpm, the fastest wash time is 54 mins in cold water. I remember when we had a top loader we could fit 2 queen size quilt covers sheets pillow cases a couple of towels unerpants etc there is no way we can fit that in our frontloader and it says its 7 kg. I just feel that we are washing constantly.
Hullo
9 hits in one day! YOWZA! You CAN use normal Duo in a front loader just use less. It is stated on the box that you can BUT it is reccommended that you use a ____matic detergent. Hoover had a nifty solution. Nake a 50/50 solution of grated soap (laundry soap bar) and any DRY detergent you like. The grated soap works as a desudsing agent, hense, reducing the foam in the load while using your favourite detergent. Hey , arrrooohhh, that is a BEAUTIFUL minimatic and I have been looking soooo long for one of those Hoover front loaders. I'm practically jealous LOL. The Fisher Paykel machines do not weigh the load. That is a common misconception. The flexible fins on the agitator CONSTANTLY monitor the wash water and the clothes in the tub. It can sense resistance through the motor and tells the electronics exacly what it finds. The electronics then decide weather or not to add more water to the load, add/subtract rinses, extend/shorten washing/rinsing time and spinning time. On the quality of these machines, they have definatly improved in most aspects over the years. I do not own a Fisher and Paykel (stuck with a crummy maytag) but I know many people whom have had F&P washing machines for many years. My grandmother had a Fisher & Paykel washing machine that is going strong at 20 YEARS OLD! I would go for the Intuitive Eco. I have a friend at Fisher & Paykel and he send me technical data on all of the Fisher & Paykel washing machines since around 1980. Really, they have improved in quality by 300%. The 1995 models had a crummy (almost soft) plastic lid the newer ones are really hard. I know it is a American site, but, however you could go to the site link below for reviews of the Intuitive Eco's American sister, EcoSmart. It is the same except for the controls. The Intuitive Eco has more functions than the EcoSmart. http://usa.fisherpaykel.com/laundry/dryers/dryers.cfm is the html code that you can copy and then stick in your browser to get information about the SmartLoad. It is expected to arrive in Australia late 2006. Oh, DADoES, can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find those videos?
Take it easy,
Shanon Pirchmoser
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9 hits in one day! YOWZA! You CAN use normal Duo in a front loader just use less. It is stated on the box that you can BUT it is reccommended that you use a ____matic detergent. Hoover had a nifty solution. Nake a 50/50 solution of grated soap (laundry soap bar) and any DRY detergent you like. The grated soap works as a desudsing agent, hense, reducing the foam in the load while using your favourite detergent. Hey , arrrooohhh, that is a BEAUTIFUL minimatic and I have been looking soooo long for one of those Hoover front loaders. I'm practically jealous LOL. The Fisher Paykel machines do not weigh the load. That is a common misconception. The flexible fins on the agitator CONSTANTLY monitor the wash water and the clothes in the tub. It can sense resistance through the motor and tells the electronics exacly what it finds. The electronics then decide weather or not to add more water to the load, add/subtract rinses, extend/shorten washing/rinsing time and spinning time. On the quality of these machines, they have definatly improved in most aspects over the years. I do not own a Fisher and Paykel (stuck with a crummy maytag) but I know many people whom have had F&P washing machines for many years. My grandmother had a Fisher & Paykel washing machine that is going strong at 20 YEARS OLD! I would go for the Intuitive Eco. I have a friend at Fisher & Paykel and he send me technical data on all of the Fisher & Paykel washing machines since around 1980. Really, they have improved in quality by 300%. The 1995 models had a crummy (almost soft) plastic lid the newer ones are really hard. I know it is a American site, but, however you could go to the site link below for reviews of the Intuitive Eco's American sister, EcoSmart. It is the same except for the controls. The Intuitive Eco has more functions than the EcoSmart. http://usa.fisherpaykel.com/laundry/dryers/dryers.cfm is the html code that you can copy and then stick in your browser to get information about the SmartLoad. It is expected to arrive in Australia late 2006. Oh, DADoES, can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find those videos?
Take it easy,
Shanon Pirchmoser
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If F&P doesn't weigh the load, then what is the purpose of the machine testing for the basket to float up off the drive coupler? The point at which that happens varies depending on the size of the load and weight of the clothing as it absorbs water. A small load of synthetics vs. a heavy load of jeans or absorbant towels. There is no agitation during that time, no way for the motor to sense any load resistance via the flexible fins. The fins do come into play AFTER agitation begins, but I don't think before. There has to be some mechanism to determine the initial water level. If not by pseudo-weighing the load, then how does the machine make the determination? Any technical details on that from your friend at F&P?
I had a GWL08 (SmartDrive) for five years (August 1999), and 'upgraded' to an IWL12 (Intuitive Eco) October 2004. On both machines, basket rotation pulses repeatedly during fill with slight and momentary surges in speed UNTIL the point at which the basket floats. After that point, smooth rotational momentum (without any pulses) is imparted only through the agitator, but it doesn't oscillate so I don't think the fins can be sensing anything.
I had a GWL08 (SmartDrive) for five years (August 1999), and 'upgraded' to an IWL12 (Intuitive Eco) October 2004. On both machines, basket rotation pulses repeatedly during fill with slight and momentary surges in speed UNTIL the point at which the basket floats. After that point, smooth rotational momentum (without any pulses) is imparted only through the agitator, but it doesn't oscillate so I don't think the fins can be sensing anything.
Yes, I know there are two different agitation strokes used for water level sensing. As I said, I've had an F&P washer since 1999, and I've watched the cycle many times. I still think there's some sort of process that involves sensing the weight of the load. Try to get some more information from your friend, ask him if there's any significance in regards to water level when the machine is sensing at what point the basket floats.
mielerod69
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Hello everyone,
frontloader812 you are not filling your machine correctly. I have a Miele 5.5kg and it fits the same amount of laundry as a 8kg toploader. We demonstrate this everyday in our showroom. We have a 5.5kg dry load and ask customers to guess the load size and they don't believe its a only 5.5kg. In my Miele I can easily fit a queen pair of cotton sheets 3 bath towels plus t-shirts and underwear, or 3 bath sheets, 2 bath towels, bath mat and other garments. My machine weighs the laundry and tells you how full the drum is and then tells you how much detergent to use for that load. We also invite customes to bring a load they normally wash in their top loader to see if it will fit in a front loader and they find they have room to spare! You realise you can't overload a frontloader, once the drum is stuffed full and you can still fit your hand in the machine is full. Give it a go! Frontloaders also take more time because they balance the 4 main factors temperature, time, detergent and mechanical action. If you lower one you increase another to get the same result. The longer cycles and higher temps in a frontloader allow you not need to soak garments overnight before washing. Don't use cold as your detergent doesn't work effectively a minimum of 30 degrees allows enzymes and the powder to fully dissolve, body oils also dissolve better at 40 or higher, especially for collar and cuff grime.
frontloader812 you are not filling your machine correctly. I have a Miele 5.5kg and it fits the same amount of laundry as a 8kg toploader. We demonstrate this everyday in our showroom. We have a 5.5kg dry load and ask customers to guess the load size and they don't believe its a only 5.5kg. In my Miele I can easily fit a queen pair of cotton sheets 3 bath towels plus t-shirts and underwear, or 3 bath sheets, 2 bath towels, bath mat and other garments. My machine weighs the laundry and tells you how full the drum is and then tells you how much detergent to use for that load. We also invite customes to bring a load they normally wash in their top loader to see if it will fit in a front loader and they find they have room to spare! You realise you can't overload a frontloader, once the drum is stuffed full and you can still fit your hand in the machine is full. Give it a go! Frontloaders also take more time because they balance the 4 main factors temperature, time, detergent and mechanical action. If you lower one you increase another to get the same result. The longer cycles and higher temps in a frontloader allow you not need to soak garments overnight before washing. Don't use cold as your detergent doesn't work effectively a minimum of 30 degrees allows enzymes and the powder to fully dissolve, body oils also dissolve better at 40 or higher, especially for collar and cuff grime.
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I think what's going on is, there is a device in the motor circuit that measures the current flow throught the motor. If so, it's an adaptation of a device called a "slump meter" that was originally used in central concrete mixing plants (and still is). The principle is exactly the same.
Dry load: the load flows easily, so the drum is easy to turn. Less current draw.
Damp to moderately-wet load: the load is "stiff" so the drum becomes progressively harder to turn. More and more current draw.
Moderately- to very-wet load additional water lubricates the load so it flows more easily again: the drum becomes progressively easier to turn. Current draw goes down.
Yes, that's correct: it gets harder to turn as the water level increases up to a point, and from that point forward, further addition of water makes it easier to turn.
Also, a load that comes up to significantly below the center-line of the drum, will be harder to rotate than a load that comes up well above the center-line of the drum. The easiest rotation occurs with zero load and with 100% full load.
So my guess is, for a horizontal-drum washer, what the system is looking for is the point at which the water level is slightly beyond the key point at which the drum starts to become easier to turn.
Now also, if the washer measures the amount of water (for example via a flowmeter) that was needed to get to the point just past the "starts getting easier to turn" level, it will also know how much material is in the drum, which can be used to modify the cycle further.
Very clever. Simple & elegant.
Dry load: the load flows easily, so the drum is easy to turn. Less current draw.
Damp to moderately-wet load: the load is "stiff" so the drum becomes progressively harder to turn. More and more current draw.
Moderately- to very-wet load additional water lubricates the load so it flows more easily again: the drum becomes progressively easier to turn. Current draw goes down.
Yes, that's correct: it gets harder to turn as the water level increases up to a point, and from that point forward, further addition of water makes it easier to turn.
Also, a load that comes up to significantly below the center-line of the drum, will be harder to rotate than a load that comes up well above the center-line of the drum. The easiest rotation occurs with zero load and with 100% full load.
So my guess is, for a horizontal-drum washer, what the system is looking for is the point at which the water level is slightly beyond the key point at which the drum starts to become easier to turn.
Now also, if the washer measures the amount of water (for example via a flowmeter) that was needed to get to the point just past the "starts getting easier to turn" level, it will also know how much material is in the drum, which can be used to modify the cycle further.
Very clever. Simple & elegant.
The Miele already does it before it has started. No tumbling to measure the load, just fill her up and the display shows how much laundry is in the machine.
frontloader812
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Hi mielerod thanks for your advise. I have found that the more I cram into my machine the more I will be ironing. Look don't get me wrong. I am sure if we outlayed the money and bought a Miele the front loading experience would probably be alot better. How ever to spend $2000.00+ on a washing machine I feel is too much. I know they last 20 years but really I dont want to have an appliance for that long. I am a consumer junkie and am always on the look out for a new product. Take for egsample our fridge, we bout a GE side by side whiz bang unit over 15 years ago this things is a horse we have never had a repair and it looks like we have another 10 years. We spent over $5000.00 back then, we have a great reliable fridge that really is not energy efficient by todays standards. So basically I like technology and change.
