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AWESOME - Almost Vintage Miele Washer and Dryer?
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ok, so 'tis like I thought it was
just the heating elements were set up for three phase and the whole thing can be run on 220-240,single phase.
Again, US 220V is not the same as the European stuff and even if its theoretical capabilities are ok, in the real world you have so many potential "issues" with this setup, I would seriously think about either the solutions listed above with 3-phase or skipping these machines, beautiful as they are.
just the heating elements were set up for three phase and the whole thing can be run on 220-240,single phase.
Again, US 220V is not the same as the European stuff and even if its theoretical capabilities are ok, in the real world you have so many potential "issues" with this setup, I would seriously think about either the solutions listed above with 3-phase or skipping these machines, beautiful as they are.
thor
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400V two phase
Bryan, after reading this brochure once again for the ummmpth time, I have to correct something I posted previously regarding the correct voltages.
These machines are either suited for 400V or 240V, both TWO phase or one phase circuits. Check the specifications on page 6: for instance 415V/2N/50 actually means "415 Volts, 2 live plus 1 neutral wires, 50Hz", and 240V/1N/50 means "240 Volts, 1 live wire plus 1 neutral wire, 50Hz. Of course "your" machines are special order 60Hz. These are not three phase machines.
I hope this helps on your decision.
Emilio
Bryan, after reading this brochure once again for the ummmpth time, I have to correct something I posted previously regarding the correct voltages.
These machines are either suited for 400V or 240V, both TWO phase or one phase circuits. Check the specifications on page 6: for instance 415V/2N/50 actually means "415 Volts, 2 live plus 1 neutral wires, 50Hz", and 240V/1N/50 means "240 Volts, 1 live wire plus 1 neutral wire, 50Hz. Of course "your" machines are special order 60Hz. These are not three phase machines.
I hope this helps on your decision.
Emilio
thor
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Telephone call
Given these machines are 60Hz, I would definitely try to give a telephone call to this office, as found on the Miele UK site:
"If you require any further information, or wish to contact the Miele Professional Team, please call on 0845 330 3618. Alternatively click on the Call Me icon and a Miele Professional representative will be in touch as soon as possible."
Given these machines are 60Hz, I would definitely try to give a telephone call to this office, as found on the Miele UK site:
"If you require any further information, or wish to contact the Miele Professional Team, please call on 0845 330 3618. Alternatively click on the Call Me icon and a Miele Professional representative will be in touch as soon as possible."
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Hi Bryan. I was told that in residential areas, 3 phase is not available from the power lines and that it is only available in areas that are zoned for commercial property.
Ross
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I would gather that
everytime you used these machines, your entire neighborhoods lights would dim!
everytime you used these machines, your entire neighborhoods lights would dim!
Ross, my parents' house has 3-phase air conditioning. Definitely a residential area, and unusual for a small town. The house was built in 1970 and is about 2300 sq ft. I don't know why 3-phase was used, or if any of the neighbors have it.
Glenn,
maybe not so unusual - rural areas often have need for 3-phase, so it might not have been that big a problem to lay it in.
My folks had a true 3-phase air-conditioner in the late 60's which was noisy as all get out but sure cooled the house down in null-komma-nichts.
And we were out in the sticks.
Were?
Of course the total current draw on these machines is not all that great; the advantage of 3-phase is that it ups the efficiency and lowers the cost. And cuts the heating time.
maybe not so unusual - rural areas often have need for 3-phase, so it might not have been that big a problem to lay it in.
My folks had a true 3-phase air-conditioner in the late 60's which was noisy as all get out but sure cooled the house down in null-komma-nichts.
And we were out in the sticks.
Were?
Of course the total current draw on these machines is not all that great; the advantage of 3-phase is that it ups the efficiency and lowers the cost. And cuts the heating time.
when I lived in a large hi-rise apartment building-the HVAC units in the 1 bedroom and 2 bedroom apartments ran off 208V 3Ph.These would have been standard residential units.They were "Luxaire" brand.Was a nice unit.The 3 Ph motors are more efficient.
I suspect the 60Hz is a typeo / misreading of the plates on the appliance.
It's more than likely 220V 50Hz Single phase
or 380V 50Hz 3-phase.
Just as a note:
Pre 1990s the UK, Malta and Cyprus used 240V (single phase) and 415V (Three phase)
The rest of the EU, including Ireland, used 220V (single phase) and 380V (three phase)
Most appliances were rated 220-240V / 380-415V
However, to make things simple, CENELEC, the European regulatory body that controls harmonisation of electrical codes and standards re-standardised to 230V and 400V. This is within the tollerance limits of both 220V and 240V appliances.
Hence, on more recent European appliances you'll see 230V or 400V for 3 phase.
An appliance rated 230V will also happily work on 220 or 240V etc..
It's a bit like the US 110V creeping to 120V
It's more than likely 220V 50Hz Single phase
or 380V 50Hz 3-phase.
Just as a note:
Pre 1990s the UK, Malta and Cyprus used 240V (single phase) and 415V (Three phase)
The rest of the EU, including Ireland, used 220V (single phase) and 380V (three phase)
Most appliances were rated 220-240V / 380-415V
However, to make things simple, CENELEC, the European regulatory body that controls harmonisation of electrical codes and standards re-standardised to 230V and 400V. This is within the tollerance limits of both 220V and 240V appliances.
Hence, on more recent European appliances you'll see 230V or 400V for 3 phase.
An appliance rated 230V will also happily work on 220 or 240V etc..
It's a bit like the US 110V creeping to 120V
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Bryan
Here's a fairly new Novotronic set with a 1986 washer...these may be more along your line!
Here's a fairly new Novotronic set with a 1986 washer...these may be more along your line!
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