Awesome KitchenAid Dishwasher I Found!!

Automatic Washer - The world's coolest Washing Machines, Dryers and Dishwashers

Help Support :

Microwave heating or cooking of larger quantities is not the same as heating the same amount of a material with a heat source like an electric element or gas flame. One potato might bake in 4 minutes, but 2 potatoes are going to take 7 to 8 minutes of more. So the 4 or 5 quarts of water in a dishwasher are going to take quite a while to heat with microwaves which do not convert all of the electrical input into usable energy, unlike an electric heating element, especially one bathed in water.

While we can look for more efficient ways to heat water and should, it would be good to remember that the energy laws conceived under the Carter administration would have mandated, among other things, that all new housing construction from around 1980 would have to have the capability to heat at least part of the dwelling's domestic hot water with solar panels or by some other renewable resource. Those were all scrapped when the Westerners took over the government after Carter, who is no shining light in my book. The trouble with inline or demand water heating is that at a constant heat input, the temperature rise is inverse to the rate of flow. If you tried this up north in the winter time, you would not have much more than a trickle of hot water at the tap if you tried to heat incoming water at 40 degrees F to 120 or 140 F. While point of use water heating can be more economical, if it is something the country wants to use, appliances that heat water with any speed will need to be on higher amperage 120 volt circuits or on 220 volt circuits. And then you have to compare the costs and advantages of heating much of the water for point of use in a residence that has domestic water heating with natural gas, which historically has been cheaper than electricity. Another plus for heating more water near the point of use is that it will eliminate a lot of water that is wasted bringing warm or hot water to more distant faucets, but a demand circulator pump could bring hot water to a point of use within seconds without wasting water. While retrofitting older construction is more costly, new construction would not be as difficult. Using insulated hot water pipes, very little heat would be lost during the minute or two it would take to move the cold water in the pipes to the storage water heater. But sophisticated application of recirculating pumps is not widely used in standard construction nor, as far as I know, is insulating hot water pipes.
 
KDS19 series

What I don't understand is why KitchenAid didn't design these machines to have the main wash period heat the water to 140 degrees. Even after the first series when they put the drying heater back they continued to have the 1st fill just sit and heat water. In my mothers 19 series suburba we would stop it at the beginning of the dry cycle and let the dishes flash dry and in a few minutes they would be dry to put away. We did this mostly when their was company and at holidays. Under regular use if you used jetdry the dishes would come out dry. Back than it wasnt a norm for dishwashers to run for almost 2 hours. Today that is the norm. Even though the 19 wasn't a good design - it did clean very well. My mother had it for 25 years.
Why couldn't we design these babies?
Peter
 
with regard to the KitchenAid Energy Saver line

I really loved the design of the 19 and 20 series. They are beautifully-designed machines. They were sold when I was just in junior high but I remember seeing them in the appliance stores. A few of my relatives still own them. One has a KDP-19 and my other aunt has a KDC-20. I always thought heating the water in the machine was quite ingenious therefore by saving money turning down the main water heater.

The only thing I never liked about the Energy Saver line is the first heated pre-wash. For one thing, it didn't purge the line of cold water so it took awhile to heat the water...sometimes 10-15 minutes. The second thing, and my biggest gripe was that after spending all that money heating the water, it drains after only circulating the water for a mere 3 minutes. I think for as much time and money spent to heat the water, it should have used that water for a longer period of time...say 6 or 7 minutes.

Just my two-cents worth. But all in all, I do like those machines.
 
I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that the inline water heating used on Euro dishwashers (such as Bosch and Miele, I guess, for the models that have it in the U.S.) is inline to the recirculation pump, not to the incoming water supply. This is the kind of heating element unit Robert plumbed into his Super Unimatic. Even at 220/240 volts, heating the incoming water flow to 140°, or as high as 160°F+, would take an enormous amount of instantaneous power. My whole-house tankless water heater can do that (maximum output of 140°F) but can also pull up to 120 amps @ 240 volts running at full-flow rate -- that's 28,800 watts folks. I don't think a residential dishwasher, even in the Euro countries, would be wired to a dedicated 120 amp circuit.
 
As a point of reference, I did a test this morning.

Input temp 64°F
Output temp 134°F
Temp Rise 70°F
Flow Rate 1 GPM

My tankless reported running at between 37% and 40% of full output capacity, which is between 10,656 and 11,520 watts or 44 to 48 amps. Faster flow rate, lower input temp, higher temp rise, or any combination thereof would require accordingly more instantaneous power.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top