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It's all in my head Andy, are you saying I should get this crap documented? 
Not sure I could punish anyone like that....
Not sure I could punish anyone like that....
But THANKS for the kind words Andy I appreciate that coming from you, and most importantly, THANKS to Robert - I have had more fun sharing my washer hobby in the last two years than ever in my life. My Mom, who started all this in me when I was two years old just grins now and smiles approvingly instead of her former puzzled smirks....
rll70sman
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Thanks so much, Gordon, for taking the time to explain and post these pics. Actually, now that I've seen a close-up of the Penta-Vane, it does look familiar. Grandma's machine had the exact same cycles as yours, equipped with a two-speed motor along with the black panel and woodgrain top. What's ever so interesting about your model is the fact that the hot wash is paired with a warm rinse. I've never seen that before with three water temperature selections. Usually they're all cold rinses.
Even as a kid with a card table chair set against the washer, I always thought it had all the functions and options to make it a versatile machine. I'm glad that you were able to give your washer a second life despite its horrible smell. I hate to see all these older models sitting at the dump, waiting for the crusher. I often wonder how many could be reconditioned instead of pitched....
Even as a kid with a card table chair set against the washer, I always thought it had all the functions and options to make it a versatile machine. I'm glad that you were able to give your washer a second life despite its horrible smell. I hate to see all these older models sitting at the dump, waiting for the crusher. I often wonder how many could be reconditioned instead of pitched....
Rob -
I love that feature with the hot wash/warm rinse. I don't use warm rinses, but if I feel there's a bit too much suds which could cause a wasteful second rinse, I will use the warm setting to get extra water through the spray rinses. It may not do much, but it makes me feel better.
About the machines you see sitting waiting for the crusher.... Yes, sadly, many could have years of life left if they were treated to some repairs or general care. But, some are just "done" as well. I've seen both.
It had one beautiful Coppertone 1977 80 series machine that must have been loved by its owner, but used A LOT at the same time. It put on a good show when it was looked at, but upon closer examination, it yielded one of the most worn out, pieces of crusher fodder I've ever worked on. My mistake was to start investing parts in it before I had fully evaluated it. It had a belt that had separated into three or four separate belts. I have no idea how the machine ran that way. The pump almost fell apart in my hand as the impeller was loose in the shaft and broken inside. The tub was leaking too. So, a belt, pump and tub re-seal and we're all set, right? No. While I was testing it I found a half-dozen bad dead spots in the timer. $70-some bucks for a new timer....Once that was in and running, I was testing the machine enjoying the woo-woos when all of a sudden the motor started making a rubbing sound, which quickly turned into a grinding, then a rubbing/grinding sound, which got louder and louder, and BANG---SLAM and only a hum remained. The armature had broken mid-cycle and the motor was totalled. It apparently rebelled against a new, properly adjusted belt. I had a used motor fortunately.
So, once that machine left my hands it had a new timer, a new pump, a new belt, re-sealed centerpost, a re-sealed tub, and a "new" motor. Was it worth it? Well I remember it fondly 17 years later.... I do know it lasted in service until a few years ago when the motor again died. Who knows after that.
I love that feature with the hot wash/warm rinse. I don't use warm rinses, but if I feel there's a bit too much suds which could cause a wasteful second rinse, I will use the warm setting to get extra water through the spray rinses. It may not do much, but it makes me feel better.
About the machines you see sitting waiting for the crusher.... Yes, sadly, many could have years of life left if they were treated to some repairs or general care. But, some are just "done" as well. I've seen both.
It had one beautiful Coppertone 1977 80 series machine that must have been loved by its owner, but used A LOT at the same time. It put on a good show when it was looked at, but upon closer examination, it yielded one of the most worn out, pieces of crusher fodder I've ever worked on. My mistake was to start investing parts in it before I had fully evaluated it. It had a belt that had separated into three or four separate belts. I have no idea how the machine ran that way. The pump almost fell apart in my hand as the impeller was loose in the shaft and broken inside. The tub was leaking too. So, a belt, pump and tub re-seal and we're all set, right? No. While I was testing it I found a half-dozen bad dead spots in the timer. $70-some bucks for a new timer....Once that was in and running, I was testing the machine enjoying the woo-woos when all of a sudden the motor started making a rubbing sound, which quickly turned into a grinding, then a rubbing/grinding sound, which got louder and louder, and BANG---SLAM and only a hum remained. The armature had broken mid-cycle and the motor was totalled. It apparently rebelled against a new, properly adjusted belt. I had a used motor fortunately.
So, once that machine left my hands it had a new timer, a new pump, a new belt, re-sealed centerpost, a re-sealed tub, and a "new" motor. Was it worth it? Well I remember it fondly 17 years later.... I do know it lasted in service until a few years ago when the motor again died. Who knows after that.
Jed -
I think they were just different than what else was offered at the time. People liked the black panels with gold and chrome. Black and gold are very common themes in elegant decorating, even in many neighborhood entrance signs, etc. here in the South. I think they also liked that with the common panels, a buyer could match the perfect washer with their favorite model dryer and still have a matched set.
Whatever the attraction, they were made for over 11 years, then the DDs continued the theme until the mid-90s.
Gordon
I think they were just different than what else was offered at the time. People liked the black panels with gold and chrome. Black and gold are very common themes in elegant decorating, even in many neighborhood entrance signs, etc. here in the South. I think they also liked that with the common panels, a buyer could match the perfect washer with their favorite model dryer and still have a matched set.
Whatever the attraction, they were made for over 11 years, then the DDs continued the theme until the mid-90s.
Gordon
mickeyd
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The Gordon Book of Kenmore
The part about the belt devolving into 4! belts and still working, and the part about how some machines cooperate and work with you reminds me of the fact that many of us here anthropomorphize (make people out of) our machines the way we do our pets. When we find machines in such comically broken states, yet still alive and working, it reminds me of our aging bodies. The cat hiding stuff has me wondering. PBS's "Nature" says cats have no neo-cortex, while dogs have one that is about 4% the size of ours--the thinking part of the brain. Then how the heck are cats so smart. PBS better do some more homework.
So funny how you gave the machine a heart transplant--pump, etc.--and she rejected it and died, preferring the one with loose, free-standing valves (ventricles, impellers, etc.) Happens to people too. Independence and strong wills.
About the warm spray rinses. I'm right with you man , and you can hear the difference and see the greater volume of water expelled through the hose during warm sprays, especially you if click the temp back and forth between/during sprays.
The DD's using the 30 second horseshoe sprays are even more effective because the all of the water is hitting the clothes, none splashing off the rim and into the outer tub. In fact, the WP LSP9245BWO uses automatic warm sprays in all cycles except energy saving "all cold rinses" cycle.
Gordon, when I moved in here, the very machine in your beautiful pictures was in the basement. I gave it to a niece when I bought the WP. But yours, like my former, has the great big tub, with no dual-action agi, yet it turns the clothes over just fine, no so fast at that wonderful ultra high level where there is actually more room for big stuff than with those giant agitators; and at lower levels the currents and the turn over are surprisingly impressive for such subtle stream-lined vanes.
This was great stuff to have for morning reading, way more exciting than the newspaper. The way you weave the personal with the technical--pepperoni pizza tubs, etc--is so much fun. Bet a lot of money that when you climb on your Kenmore horse for a long ride you make a lot of people here very happy. Have you found any of the Resource Saver WP/KM DD's that have spray rinse only cycles?
The part about the belt devolving into 4! belts and still working, and the part about how some machines cooperate and work with you reminds me of the fact that many of us here anthropomorphize (make people out of) our machines the way we do our pets. When we find machines in such comically broken states, yet still alive and working, it reminds me of our aging bodies. The cat hiding stuff has me wondering. PBS's "Nature" says cats have no neo-cortex, while dogs have one that is about 4% the size of ours--the thinking part of the brain. Then how the heck are cats so smart. PBS better do some more homework.
So funny how you gave the machine a heart transplant--pump, etc.--and she rejected it and died, preferring the one with loose, free-standing valves (ventricles, impellers, etc.) Happens to people too. Independence and strong wills.
About the warm spray rinses. I'm right with you man , and you can hear the difference and see the greater volume of water expelled through the hose during warm sprays, especially you if click the temp back and forth between/during sprays.
The DD's using the 30 second horseshoe sprays are even more effective because the all of the water is hitting the clothes, none splashing off the rim and into the outer tub. In fact, the WP LSP9245BWO uses automatic warm sprays in all cycles except energy saving "all cold rinses" cycle.
Gordon, when I moved in here, the very machine in your beautiful pictures was in the basement. I gave it to a niece when I bought the WP. But yours, like my former, has the great big tub, with no dual-action agi, yet it turns the clothes over just fine, no so fast at that wonderful ultra high level where there is actually more room for big stuff than with those giant agitators; and at lower levels the currents and the turn over are surprisingly impressive for such subtle stream-lined vanes.
This was great stuff to have for morning reading, way more exciting than the newspaper. The way you weave the personal with the technical--pepperoni pizza tubs, etc--is so much fun. Bet a lot of money that when you climb on your Kenmore horse for a long ride you make a lot of people here very happy. Have you found any of the Resource Saver WP/KM DD's that have spray rinse only cycles?
Mike -
I am surprisingly starting to realize a cool gem or two about DD machines. The threads I've been involved in on the Deluxe forum kinda charged me on that. There are some resource saver 2009 Kenmore 800s right now at the Sears outlet, however I draw the line at multi-hundred dollar purchases just for my entertainment. I may buy a BOL machine for $199 though, especially since I need a pitty-party for the loss of 21 washers today, lol.
You know what I mean?
THANKS for all the kind words by the way. Your 1972 LK Coppertone set awaits you in my garage.
G
I am surprisingly starting to realize a cool gem or two about DD machines. The threads I've been involved in on the Deluxe forum kinda charged me on that. There are some resource saver 2009 Kenmore 800s right now at the Sears outlet, however I draw the line at multi-hundred dollar purchases just for my entertainment. I may buy a BOL machine for $199 though, especially since I need a pitty-party for the loss of 21 washers today, lol.
You know what I mean?
THANKS for all the kind words by the way. Your 1972 LK Coppertone set awaits you in my garage.
G
mickeyd
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Synchronicity Serendipity
I see we were writing to each other at the same time.
I hate to feel relief in your grief, unless as you say, the TURQ wipes the grief away.
See how your generosity comes right back at ya! You're the best, G.
I see we were writing to each other at the same time.
I hate to feel relief in your grief, unless as you say, the TURQ wipes the grief away.
See how your generosity comes right back at ya! You're the best, G.
Thanks Mike - you rock.
Rob -
I have a question for you. Do you think it possible that your grandmother's washer received at some point a replacement timer? If her washer had the exact same cycle layout as Moppy, then a second-generation replacement timer could be the reason it didn't have spray rinses.
The timer in Moppy and others like it was used for 12 years. That is a VERY long time - many timers in 1960s Kenmores were used only one season or even just on one model or two. This timer began use in 1974 in a couple machines, and lasted until the end of the belt-drives in 1986. During the late 70s and early 80s, it very possibly was the most common timer in existence.
There were three generations of this timer, as minor changes were made to them mechanically, etc. The second generation, for reasons unknown to me, had the lead or terminal moved that provides power for spray rinses. To make sprays work in a first generation machine, a jumper wire needed to be installed in the wiring harness and quick connect block. This is not a big deal, but it is a little time consuming and for those who don't like splicing wires, it may be a bit tedious. I am a fuss-budget in doing repairs, but for guys where time is money and they think someone won't notice or care, I am sure that some of these splices weren't done.
The third generation timer supercedes the other two generations and is a one-for-one plug and play timer. I love Whirlpool for that reason, meaning they make changes to production parts like everyone does, but they make changes happen in such a way that they still support existing product with common parts - at least when possible. This third generation timer had three active spray terminals, which accomodates the two older generations, so no jumpers were required. This was noted with a paper flier with each new timer. Kinda cool to me.
One of their other popular timers, which had a Pre-Soak in the cycle mix, still requires a jumper wire to this day.
Also Rob, the Hot/Warm temp selection was pretty common for Kenmore in the 70s on machines that didn't have five temp options, or the lesser switches which accomodated HOT / WARM / COLD (those machines gave the same temp for rinse as wash except on hot which had a warm rinse).
In 1979 when the 'energy saver' notations appeared on Kenmores, the three temp combination machines got all cold rinses and this was never changed back.
Gordon
I have a question for you. Do you think it possible that your grandmother's washer received at some point a replacement timer? If her washer had the exact same cycle layout as Moppy, then a second-generation replacement timer could be the reason it didn't have spray rinses.
The timer in Moppy and others like it was used for 12 years. That is a VERY long time - many timers in 1960s Kenmores were used only one season or even just on one model or two. This timer began use in 1974 in a couple machines, and lasted until the end of the belt-drives in 1986. During the late 70s and early 80s, it very possibly was the most common timer in existence.
There were three generations of this timer, as minor changes were made to them mechanically, etc. The second generation, for reasons unknown to me, had the lead or terminal moved that provides power for spray rinses. To make sprays work in a first generation machine, a jumper wire needed to be installed in the wiring harness and quick connect block. This is not a big deal, but it is a little time consuming and for those who don't like splicing wires, it may be a bit tedious. I am a fuss-budget in doing repairs, but for guys where time is money and they think someone won't notice or care, I am sure that some of these splices weren't done.
The third generation timer supercedes the other two generations and is a one-for-one plug and play timer. I love Whirlpool for that reason, meaning they make changes to production parts like everyone does, but they make changes happen in such a way that they still support existing product with common parts - at least when possible. This third generation timer had three active spray terminals, which accomodates the two older generations, so no jumpers were required. This was noted with a paper flier with each new timer. Kinda cool to me.
One of their other popular timers, which had a Pre-Soak in the cycle mix, still requires a jumper wire to this day.
Also Rob, the Hot/Warm temp selection was pretty common for Kenmore in the 70s on machines that didn't have five temp options, or the lesser switches which accomodated HOT / WARM / COLD (those machines gave the same temp for rinse as wash except on hot which had a warm rinse).
In 1979 when the 'energy saver' notations appeared on Kenmores, the three temp combination machines got all cold rinses and this was never changed back.
Gordon
