Yes, the heaters were indeed only 1300 Watts, even on this side of the pond. When I saw that I wondered how on earth you could do a 95*C wash in that thing. I bet it took ages!
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1300 to maybe a bit above 1400 watts
Is about the max that can be pulled from a 120v/15amp using the so called "80% rule", which IIRC only applies to continuous loads, but am sure someone will come along and correct.
Now you guys on the other side of pond understand also why those portable compact dryers by Hoover, Maytag, Whirlpool and others max out at about that wattage range. Have hair dryers that have more powerful heating elements (1650 watts).
IIRC Bosch's small/compact washer were and still are 208v/240v.
Is about the max that can be pulled from a 120v/15amp using the so called "80% rule", which IIRC only applies to continuous loads, but am sure someone will come along and correct.
Now you guys on the other side of pond understand also why those portable compact dryers by Hoover, Maytag, Whirlpool and others max out at about that wattage range. Have hair dryers that have more powerful heating elements (1650 watts).
IIRC Bosch's small/compact washer were and still are 208v/240v.
1300W for the EU market
What the f? I mean, they had to adapt the heater to make it 1300W at 240V, so there is literally 0 reason not to make it 2kW...
What the f? I mean, they had to adapt the heater to make it 1300W at 240V, so there is literally 0 reason not to make it 2kW...
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Hi Henrik
The Neptune were the same here, I replaced the heater on mine and it was 1300 watts as well. It was hot and cold fill and if you forced it to cold fill only, the heater would time out before it reached the target temp.
The Neptune had a transformer on the bottom to make it 240v compatible, nothing else inside changed. Maybe the Bosch is the same.
Cheers
Nathan
The Neptune were the same here, I replaced the heater on mine and it was 1300 watts as well. It was hot and cold fill and if you forced it to cold fill only, the heater would time out before it reached the target temp.
The Neptune had a transformer on the bottom to make it 240v compatible, nothing else inside changed. Maybe the Bosch is the same.
Cheers
Nathan
"heater would time out before it reached the target temp
Read somewhere, maybe a British consumer appliance testing group that many modern washers sold in UK at least do not reach set temperature of 60c.
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2013/08/washing-machines-dont-reach-correct-temperature-330730/
My older Miele had what they called "cycle guarantee" or some such; meaning (IIRC) that one gets full washing time regardless of how long it takes to heat water. But that is not exactly true. Armed with 2600watts of heating power (at 208/240v) the timer gives a certain period of time for water to reach proper temperature. However since the thermostat is not run through timer there is no "hold". That is if the heating portion of cycle times out, timer will advance regardless.
This being said however the heater will still remain on until desired temp is reached. If that cuts into wash time, then so be it.
The Oko-Lavamat is an odd beast to one. It seems to have ten minutes allotted for heating portion of cycles. At least that is the amount of time washer will subtract from a cycle that finishes sooner than it should because water temperature was reached in less time the programmed. Being a cold fill machine this can and does happen if tap water even when set to "cold" is warm (such as during summer). Or when one cheats by setting taps to "warm" or even "hot" water.
For instance if wanting to do a boil wash after pre-soaking a badly soiled load, don't need the slow heating of the machine, and or energy use of taking in cold tap water. Especially during the winter months when the boilers are on full fire to make steam for heating as well as hot water.
Strangely enough my old 18" portable dishwasher (Kenmore brand, but WCI/Frigidaire) *did* hold the timer until thermostat would reach desired temp. Learned this when after starting a load and going off to take a nap. About nearly two hours later woke up and the DW was still washing. Turns out the boilers had switched off and thus there wasn't hot water. So machine had filled with tap cold water.....
Read somewhere, maybe a British consumer appliance testing group that many modern washers sold in UK at least do not reach set temperature of 60c.
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2013/08/washing-machines-dont-reach-correct-temperature-330730/
My older Miele had what they called "cycle guarantee" or some such; meaning (IIRC) that one gets full washing time regardless of how long it takes to heat water. But that is not exactly true. Armed with 2600watts of heating power (at 208/240v) the timer gives a certain period of time for water to reach proper temperature. However since the thermostat is not run through timer there is no "hold". That is if the heating portion of cycle times out, timer will advance regardless.
This being said however the heater will still remain on until desired temp is reached. If that cuts into wash time, then so be it.
The Oko-Lavamat is an odd beast to one. It seems to have ten minutes allotted for heating portion of cycles. At least that is the amount of time washer will subtract from a cycle that finishes sooner than it should because water temperature was reached in less time the programmed. Being a cold fill machine this can and does happen if tap water even when set to "cold" is warm (such as during summer). Or when one cheats by setting taps to "warm" or even "hot" water.
For instance if wanting to do a boil wash after pre-soaking a badly soiled load, don't need the slow heating of the machine, and or energy use of taking in cold tap water. Especially during the winter months when the boilers are on full fire to make steam for heating as well as hot water.
Strangely enough my old 18" portable dishwasher (Kenmore brand, but WCI/Frigidaire) *did* hold the timer until thermostat would reach desired temp. Learned this when after starting a load and going off to take a nap. About nearly two hours later woke up and the DW was still washing. Turns out the boilers had switched off and thus there wasn't hot water. So machine had filled with tap cold water.....
Not reaching 60°C
That only applies to the one dedicated Eco cycle. Our consumer magazine measures the temp of both the Cotton cycle with and without Eco and most washers reach or exceed 60°C without Eco.
That only applies to the one dedicated Eco cycle. Our consumer magazine measures the temp of both the Cotton cycle with and without Eco and most washers reach or exceed 60°C without Eco.
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As Launderess says, here is a link to University of Leicester:
A PDF type download, two pages.
As Launderess says, here is a link to University of Leicester:
A PDF type download, two pages.
Great read!
And I thank you!
What one appreciates about our older Miele washer is that if thermostat senses temperature drops during cycle the heaters are switched on to bring it back. This will happen even if the cycle is nearly over.
Suppose some might consider this wasteful of energy, but if one selects 60c that that is what one wants for a wash. More so want it for more than just several minutes.
I mean what is the point of doing a hot or even boil wash if the temperature won't even reach much less remain at that level.
And I thank you!
What one appreciates about our older Miele washer is that if thermostat senses temperature drops during cycle the heaters are switched on to bring it back. This will happen even if the cycle is nearly over.
Suppose some might consider this wasteful of energy, but if one selects 60c that that is what one wants for a wash. More so want it for more than just several minutes.
I mean what is the point of doing a hot or even boil wash if the temperature won't even reach much less remain at that level.
I was just looking at the last washer test by our consumer magazine from November 2016. They tested the Eco Cotton cycle verus the standard one and took temperature readings during the wash cycle (like they have been doing for a few years now).
Cotton Eco 60°C / Cotton standard 60°C
_Front loaders_
AEG 27 / 56
Beko 53/ 63
Grundig 54 / 63
Gorenje 49 / 69
Hanseatic 34 / 60
_Top loaders_
Bauknecht 40 / 60
Miele 49 / 58
Whirlpool 43 / 49
AEG 51 / 62
So most washers did heat to the selected temp, provided the proper cycle was chosen. For an extended temp hold, most washers offer Hygiene cycles that also use extra water. The Miele front loader with its steam heating system got the water underneath the drum boiling, but the laundry reached 60°C during both Cotton cycles. Bosch's front loader also heated the water to 60°C on the Eco cycle, but then added extra cold water (presumably to saturate the load) so that the remainder of the main wash was done in much cooler water. Their regular Cotton cycle heated to 63°C.
Cotton Eco 60°C / Cotton standard 60°C
_Front loaders_
AEG 27 / 56
Beko 53/ 63
Grundig 54 / 63
Gorenje 49 / 69
Hanseatic 34 / 60
_Top loaders_
Bauknecht 40 / 60
Miele 49 / 58
Whirlpool 43 / 49
AEG 51 / 62
So most washers did heat to the selected temp, provided the proper cycle was chosen. For an extended temp hold, most washers offer Hygiene cycles that also use extra water. The Miele front loader with its steam heating system got the water underneath the drum boiling, but the laundry reached 60°C during both Cotton cycles. Bosch's front loader also heated the water to 60°C on the Eco cycle, but then added extra cold water (presumably to saturate the load) so that the remainder of the main wash was done in much cooler water. Their regular Cotton cycle heated to 63°C.
rolls_rapide
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You're very welcome!
When I was researching washing machines a few months ago, I came across the Which? article about washing machines not achieving temperature.
Speaking of temperatures, apparently my Panasonic's "Autocare/Econavi" sensor programme selects the temperature itself, between 30 deg C and 43 deg C. It seems to depend on the detergent sensed by the optics: powders seem to get the 43 deg C treatment; liquids less so.
I've been observing what the machine does on the sensor programme with different loads. A smallish load of polycotton sheets got the pretty standard "1h 18mins".
The next load, run immediately after the first, was a pair of jeans, Craghopper trousers, a few t-shirts, several pairs of underpants. And the load was calculated to take... 2hrs 45mins! (I just about fell through the floor...!)
Needless to say, I thought that a tad too long for such a small, relatively clean load, so I let it wash for about half an hour, then cancelled the programme and set it to the Cottons rinse & spin @1600 rpm. It must have been in perfect balance, because the jeans have never felt drier - I was most impressed.
Similarly, today I washed (on sensor prog again, with a crushed detergent tablet): a white bath towel, a hand towel, a white cotton t-shirt, and a couple of pairs of socks. The machine started at "1hr 18" then switched to "1hr 32". Near the end of the wash phase, I touched the door glass, and it definitely felt hotter than 40 deg C.
However, the interim spins did not take place, due to out-of-balance detection. Instead, simple 'fill-tumble-drain' rinses were done. The final spin was aborted umpteen times by the machine. Eventually, after twenty minutes of trying, it reset the spin programme itself, and span very noisily for a few seconds to get most of the water out. More tumbles, then FINALLY ramped to the sensor programme's maximum of 1400 rpm.
Spin cycles seems to take up to 30 minutes, if out of balance. Running the machine empty on the same programme, reveals that the spin timer hops and skips down quite rapidly: 11 mins turns out to be more like 8mins.
The joys of modern technology!
When I was researching washing machines a few months ago, I came across the Which? article about washing machines not achieving temperature.
Speaking of temperatures, apparently my Panasonic's "Autocare/Econavi" sensor programme selects the temperature itself, between 30 deg C and 43 deg C. It seems to depend on the detergent sensed by the optics: powders seem to get the 43 deg C treatment; liquids less so.
I've been observing what the machine does on the sensor programme with different loads. A smallish load of polycotton sheets got the pretty standard "1h 18mins".
The next load, run immediately after the first, was a pair of jeans, Craghopper trousers, a few t-shirts, several pairs of underpants. And the load was calculated to take... 2hrs 45mins! (I just about fell through the floor...!)
Needless to say, I thought that a tad too long for such a small, relatively clean load, so I let it wash for about half an hour, then cancelled the programme and set it to the Cottons rinse & spin @1600 rpm. It must have been in perfect balance, because the jeans have never felt drier - I was most impressed.
Similarly, today I washed (on sensor prog again, with a crushed detergent tablet): a white bath towel, a hand towel, a white cotton t-shirt, and a couple of pairs of socks. The machine started at "1hr 18" then switched to "1hr 32". Near the end of the wash phase, I touched the door glass, and it definitely felt hotter than 40 deg C.
However, the interim spins did not take place, due to out-of-balance detection. Instead, simple 'fill-tumble-drain' rinses were done. The final spin was aborted umpteen times by the machine. Eventually, after twenty minutes of trying, it reset the spin programme itself, and span very noisily for a few seconds to get most of the water out. More tumbles, then FINALLY ramped to the sensor programme's maximum of 1400 rpm.
Spin cycles seems to take up to 30 minutes, if out of balance. Running the machine empty on the same programme, reveals that the spin timer hops and skips down quite rapidly: 11 mins turns out to be more like 8mins.
The joys of modern technology!
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