Bosch or Miele dishwasher

[washerfinatic2]

hey guys,

Looking for a new dishwasher for a family member to replace their 4yr old Midea made one. It has to be fully integrated and a ‘fixed door’ version - so the TOL Haier is a no go

I have a Bosch myself and have used many versions and know they clean well and are well built, but ive felt the Miele versions in store and the racks feel SO much smoother!

I was looking at the Bosch:
SMV6ZCX10G £749 40db serie 6
SMD8YCX03G £999 44db?? Serie 8

Is the price difference worth it for a serie 8? I’ve heard they come with the intensive zone on top/bottom rack? But a 4db louder dishwasher for 25% more is crazy to me. I’d want one with zeolite drying which both do. I’m not sure if the equivalent Neff/Siemens models may be a better buy but expect them to be more expensive (although the buttons feel much better)

Then the miele
G 7655 SCVi £999 (outlet, usually 2k) 42db
G 7650 SCVi £939 (outlet, usually 1.8k) 42db

Are Miele dishwashers reliable? I’ve never had one or know anyone with enough experience, I’ve had no problems with my W1/T1 for the last few years. I know they would only have a 2yr warranty rather than Bosch’s 5yr. I like that there’s an extra clean option (but Bosch also has this with turbidity sensing adjustment). Is there much difference between these models vs the lower end ones which you can pick up for around £600?

Then I also saw the fisher & Paykel Series 7 DW60U4HI2 for £579 42db with 5yr warranty. I’ve also had 0 problems with the series 9 washer & dryer I have. Only issue is I have no way of seeing the F&P in person before purchase, although I’m sure it’ll be the same as a haier. I would prefer the series 9 but that’s tall tub and sliding door.

Any recommendations? The quieter running it is the better

 

[henene4]

So, that's a tough one.
If the Mieles weren't as cheap as they are, I would just recommend the BSH DWs. But for half price, the Mieles are certainly an option.


For the Mieles:
They are somewhat more reliable than the BSHs - but not by a ton I would say.
The G7000 design is only 6 years old or so - so not quite as known as the BSH Zeolite design, which has been on sale with limited changes for over 15 years.
But if something on the Miele would go wrong, based on previous designs, it would be the pressure switch or at some point the inverter on the pump. And that's usually after 10+ years.

They feel VERY high quality. Again: Nobody has a DW door as high quality yet almost weightless.
They run pretty quiet and have a more "pleasant" noise profile than the BSH DWs. Main difference is the Zeolite fan that has a certain tone to it that many find irritating, especially with the ultra quiet machines.

But: The G7000 is pretty slow on most cycles. Auto cycle basically always takes 2:30h with warm water connection.
And drying is decent at best in my opinion.
Now, both models you stated have AutoOpen drying. Leaving the dishes over night gives you near perfect drying - but that's not as good as Zeolite drying.



On any BSH machine, be it the 2 models or something similar:

These machines will outperform the Mieles. On cleaning it's almost a draw (that mainly comes down to your specific situation - some on here love the G7000 design results, some hate them - and again the same for the BSH designs).
But drying: There is no thing like Zeolite drying. Hot, dry dishes with no steam cloud the second the DW is done - and all that with general ~10% savings in every cycle compared to the models without it. It's really something hard to believe until you have used it.

Now, why is the TOL louder that the MOL machine?
The MOL is B, the upper one A class energy efficiency.
The weird way that works is a specific insulation on the metal tub that reduces the heat loss during wash. That allows the DW to heat less during the Eco cycle and get the same cleaning results. But, that reduces the possibilities for noise isolation. So, you'll see ALL BSH A-class machines are 43db or louder.
The savings are minor in the other cycles - so the use for that is questionable.
Buuuut as I said further up, the "noisiest" thing on all Zeolite DWs is the Zeolite fan. It's not loud. It's just a very distinct and consistent sound. A friend of mine who has more musical talent called it a sustained E note. It runs something like 10-20min at the beginning of each cycle, and something between 10-40min during drying.

What the more TOL version has is automatic door opening. That's even better at drying - you get the trifecta of Zeolite, the heat exchanger and AutoOpen.
But, it has the Sensor buttons. They look more high end and feel more high end. On the semi integrated one I used in a flat share years ago they worked great, on my mums fully integrated one they are very mediocre.

Their reliability comes down the pump really.
There were a few years where the Zeolite system was a bigger failure point. They since changed it back to a different heater design and failures are less likely.
But the pumps fail typically after something like 8-12 years. The pump is cheap (especially compared to the Miele) but it's somewhat of a task to change.



If it was me, and the people they use it aren't appliance interested like us here, I would definitely get the TOL Bosch.

If they are the typical run DW before bed or while heading out to work people, the Miele will feel very high quality and probably not disappoint in performance.

But the Series 6 DW is a better deal still in my opinion. It's cheaper, drying is impressive, it's quiet and still feels pretty well built.