Bosch V696 vs. Hotpoint 15792

Automatic Washer - The world's coolest Washing Machines, Dryers and Dishwashers

Help Support :

triumphtoledo

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2013
Messages
200
Location
Shropshire/Worcestershire
Hi all,

My first post is asking for advice, so be gentle... ;)

We have two washing machines in the house. One is a modern Bosch (well, a WFL2260, which is getting on to a decade old and has only needed a door seal and a set of brushes to date) and a very old V696 from the early 1980s. The elderly Bosch has had a set of drum bearings, a door seal, a motor capacitor and two drain pumps in the last eight years and just keeps going.

Yet, the older Bosch has a hard time and has to wash very dirty items, such as oil soaked overalls, so I do not contaminate the usual household machine and get into trouble with my wife. Also, the newer Bosch also does not cope very well with the very dirty items, because it does not use enough water; I view it is a compromised machine that is excellent for domestic laundry but not ideal for more industrial filthy clothes/cloths etc.

The older machine works much better for my heavy-duty laundry, despite using more water and, possibly, more electricity. Every now-and-again, when we have loads of washing to get through (we have a 14 months-old daughter in the house), we also use the older Bosch and have not had any problems with our own clothes being damaged. The issue with the older machine is that my wife cannot figure out how to work it!

In terms of our domestic set-up, we have a separate utility room with hot and cold water supplies. We have an efficient combi-boiler, which can hot-fill both our washers, this being a more economic proposition than allowing the machines to fill-up with cold water and then heating the water electrically. We do not have a water meter.

For anyone, who has not dropped off to sleep yet, it would be useful for us to have a machine with a larger capacity than the older Bosch, so we can wash larger loads that may include blankets and possibly curtains too. I have been offered a top-loader Hotpoint 15792 and am wondering whether or not it should replace the older Bosch. The V696 would not be scrapped, just relegated to my warm garage in case our modern machine finally dies. Am I right in thinking the V696 washer/dryer is rare now? I have never seen another one

So, taking into account my circumstances and that the old machine only does 2 loads a week, maximum, is it a wise idea to replace the front-loading V696 with the Hotpoint? Also, is the 15792 a robust and reliable machine?

I feel confident in the reliability of the older Hotties, as my mother had an old Hotpoint Liberator 1848 and that just went on-and-on… maybe I am deluded.

Your comments/advice would be most useful and appreciated, as always. Thank-you.

Rob
 
Challange

Hi TriumphToldeo, and welcome to AutomaticWasher.

It seems you have two issues here .....

In terms of capacity the Hotpoint was rated at a 10lb cotton washing load, your old Bosch washer would have been around 9lbs which was the standard for machines around this time, so it is doubtful whether or not the Hotpoint could wash significantly more than the Bosch in any case. From what you write you seem satisfied with the performance of the old Bosch and, presuming you carried out the repairs yourself, I would personally say "better the devil you know ...." rather than risk an unknown quantity. You will also lose about 60cm sq of worktop space too, which may or may not be a consideration. I can certainly see the attraction of the top loading Hotpoint (as I imagine most here would) but I doubt you will see much difference in performance.

The other issue is on the larger items. Without knowing the model in detail I would have thought your newer Bosch would have been rated at around 5kg which would be rather more than the old Bosch or Hotpoint. I cannot understand why there would be a problem with either blankets or curtains as I have been using front loading machines since 1975 and have washed both blankets and curtains since that time with no problem. Perhaps if your curtains are very large and/or have thermal interlinings there might be an issue, but in that case dry cleaning would be more appropriate in any case. Of course you will require gentle programmes with each, and perhaps you might choose to give them an extra rinse but otherwise there should not be a problem, indeed I would have thought that the action of a front loader would have been better than the Hotpoint in terms of reducing shrinkage of both and "felting" of blankets.

Still awake? LOLOL Unless you have an academic interest in the Hotpoint, my advice would be to stick with what you have - don't fix what ain't broke. If you feel capacity is still an issue, as and when the newer Bosch gives up the ghost, there are lots of higher capacity new machines (which will use even less water) on the market now (almost double that of the old Bosch or Hotpoint) which you could consider as a replacement.

The name Triumph Toldeo indicates other interests - I think I read a couple of weeks back that that model is almost extinct now, many folks will never even have heard of it or even the Triumph name. I, of course, am old enough to remember both! I spotted a Mk1 Triumph 2000 last weekend on my way back from my sister's house (she lives near Wrexham) - it seemed to be running well :)

Al
 
Challange

Hi TriumphToldeo, and welcome to AutomaticWasher.

It seems you have two issues here .....

In terms of capacity the Hotpoint was rated at a 10lb cotton washing load, your old Bosch washer would have been around 9lbs which was the standard for machines around this time, so it is doubtful whether or not the Hotpoint could wash significantly more than the Bosch in any case. From what you write you seem satisfied with the performance of the old Bosch and, presuming you carried out the repairs yourself, I would personally say "better the devil you know ...." rather than risk an unknown quantity. You will also lose about 60cm sq of worktop space too, which may or may not be a consideration. I can certainly see the attraction of the top loading Hotpoint (as I imagine most here would) but I doubt you will see much difference in performance.

The other issue is on the larger items. Without knowing the model in detail I would have thought your newer Bosch would have been rated at around 5kg which would be rather more than the old Bosch or Hotpoint. I cannot understand why there would be a problem with either blankets or curtains as I have been using front loading machines since 1975 and have washed both blankets and curtains since that time with no problem. Perhaps if your curtains are very large and/or have thermal interlinings there might be an issue, but in that case dry cleaning would be more appropriate in any case. Of course you will require gentle programmes with each, and perhaps you might choose to give them an extra rinse but otherwise there should not be a problem, indeed I would have thought that the action of a front loader would have been better than the Hotpoint in terms of reducing shrinkage of both and "felting" of blankets.

Still awake? LOLOL Unless you have an academic interest in the Hotpoint, my advice would be to stick with what you have - don't fix what ain't broke. If you feel capacity is still an issue, as and when the newer Bosch gives up the ghost, there are lots of higher capacity new machines (which will use even less water) on the market now (almost double that of the old Bosch or Hotpoint) which you could consider as a replacement.

The name Triumph Toldeo indicates other interests - I think I read a couple of weeks back that that model is almost extinct now, many folks will never even have heard of it or even the Triumph name. I, of course, am old enough to remember both! I spotted a Mk1 Triumph 2000 last weekend on my way back from my sister's house (she lives near Wrexham) - it seemed to be running well :)

Al
 
late response

Sorry for the late reply and thanks for your advice.

I went to see the Hotpoint and it was, well, basically knackered.

Rust all over it, the top door had snapped off and, although it still ran, there was rust and grease in the drum. Basically, it had been abused for years...

Still, having been tempted, I'd like to save a fairly good example, if one is available for a good price. So, if any timeline Hotpoints turn up, let me know...

I would like to retire the Bosch for a bit; I think the suspension legs are tired, giving the number of times it likes to go 'walkies...'
 
Capacity

I was interested in the comment about capacity (10lbs for the Hotpoint vs 9lbs for the Bosch etc). My old Bosch WFF 2000 went to the great washer graveyard in the sky reluctantly and that was rated as 5kg. It struggled to take a double cotton duvet cover, cotton kingsize sheet and four pillowcases - so much so that I used to split the load. Being averse to new machines I went to the local British Heart Foundation and picked up a Servis Starlight in almost mint condition, which I discovered on reading the instruction manual (which was spotless and in the original plastic bag) is only rated as a 9lb machine. For reasons I can't explain, it swallowed the above wash load with no problems!! It does use more water admitedly which may help but there was plenty of room for the load to tumble. In fact, it turns out to be a bit of a Tardis in disguise this little machine - am very pleased with it although the programme selection is a little difficult to get used to.
 
Hi Rob

Having just got a 15792 I'm biased and would say the top loader but it sounds like it needed major surgery and although not impossible to bring back to life, I guess with a 14 month daughter though that might be pushing things trying to get it sorted out! Keep your eyes peeled and you might get lucky although if its a 1504 I'll fight you for it lol.

Any thoughts on what you might replace the Bosch with yet?

I too remember the Triumph Toledo and also has use of a Triumph Dolomite. It had a carpet like a poodle's fur so I used to make a barking noise when I changed gear as the gear stick looked like its leg! Simple things for simple minds.........

S :)
 
Blankets And "Older" Front Loaders

Cannot speak for all but my Miele W1070 (circa 1990's) does not do blankets and or other bulky items well.

Often the things end up in a tangle and when it comes time to spin things get interesting. Because this machine does not have a very sophisticated OOBC like modern machines it *will* start spinning even if the tub is very out of line. This usually results in the tub banging about until one runs and shuts off the unit. Have learned to stay close when doing blankets, but really have almost given up and take the things to the Laundromat. Last time one had to take the blanket and fewer smaller items (hand towels) thrown in for load balance out and put them through the mangle. This was the first pulse spin after third rinse and the things were a heavy sopping wet tangled ball.

After mangling things were returned to the Miele for rinsing but still had to keep one's eye on the unit. Am looking forward to see if the newer AEG does any better.
 
Hi all,
Thanks for replying to the thread so quickly. Originally, the old Bosch was a built-in appliance and so a top has been taken from a scrap Hoover of some description.

I hope these pics will work: I don't know if I am the only one but I find the layout of this forum very cumbersome!! I hope these pics show up; the preview function does not let me preview.. GRRRR!

First, a few images of the V696, with and without the front door fitted. Please forgive the state of our utility room; we are having parts of the house redecorated, which is causing chaos.









My Gran bought it new (and very expensive it was too) in 1984. The machine was hardly used, until a live-in carer moved in and the V696 overcame three years of hard work, although the dryer facility was never used.

After Gran died, the house was let out, partly to help pay for death duties. The machine remained in the property, serving a family of four, until a ‘little darling’ used the glass-bowled inner door as a swing and snapped the hinge in two. The washer then lived in the garage for a while, until the house was sold, when I rescued it from the tip, knowing that it had only been ‘hammered’ for only for 5-years or so.

When I took it on, I managed to get a new hinge for the inner door, replaced the rubber door gasket, fitted a replacement drain pump (the old one had been leaking for years) and replaced the drum bearings.

The machine was bought to wash my work clothes, as described earlier. We also used it as our main household washer for nine months, while I dallied replacing the brushes our Bosch WFL2260. The drying facility was used for a few weeks, when our old White Knight Dryer packed up – boosting the share price of our electricity supplier by a good few quid…

In the eight years I have used the machine, reliability has been very good (especially for machine approaching its 30th birthday) but it has been through two more drain pumps. Mind you, it only does one wash per fortnight mainly. Also, the outer door has never been fitted in my tenure, because the top hinge is missing and it is unavailable from Bosch. The other problem is that the interlock does not work; you can open the door during a cycle, but the machine does, at least, stop. This is a concern where little fingers are roaming place – I could always shout at the child to keep away from it I suppose… anyway, that’s another reason for me considering to use a top-loader.

As the machine is so beautifully made (stainless outer drum with cast iron weights and an induction motor), I do not plan to scrap it. A replacement top-loader would also mean that I would have time to either source or fabricate a new bracket for the Bosch’s inner door, replace the suspension dampers, which must be getting a bit tired, plus sort a little bit of surface corrosion within the cabinet, beneath the drain pump. Having a ‘spare’ washer dryer is a useful thing to have. Alternatively, if it had to go, it would be offered to a Bosch fan on here – I don’t think many V696’s survive…

In answering the load query, it is rated as a 5.5 on its cotton programme, as shown by the programme guide on the inside of the front door.

Don’t worry, Mr SeSteve; I would not compete with you for a really early Hotpoint TL. A 15690 or a 15790/2 would be better for me, because of the way the hot fill / Economy button works. Also, yes, the TL I viewed had really had it. The cabinet needed welding too, it was that bad – even a knob was missing and, as we all know, you really do not need a missing knob.

Also, one final mystery for me is how the “e” (presume Economy) button works on the Bosch; it does not seem to shut off the heater. Does anyone know?

 
Bosch V.s Hotpoint

Hi Triumphtoledo,

I think as many have said here from a practical point of view there would be very little (if any) difference between the performance and usability of either of these machines.

To upload pictures, save the file to your computer and use the upload button below where you type your message to choose the file and upload it.

"Because this machine does not have a very sophisticated OOBC like modern machines it *will* start spinning even if the tub is very out of line.This usually results in the tub banging about until one runs and shuts off the unit."

 

Just let it do it's thing, you don't need to baby it, the machine was designed and engineered to be able to handle such spins without causing damage or any adverse effects aside from a bit of noise and some vibration.

 

Matt
 
Inside outer door

The wash programme explanation, located within the outer door, which is missing its top hinge. Does anyone have one or know where I could get hold of one. It doesn't look easy to fabricate...

triumphtoledo++8-9-2013-09-26-31.jpg
 
Big E

Looks like it is eco which reduces the 95c whites down to 60c so the heater will still come on but for less time...

Lee
 

Latest posts

Back
Top