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And why is it that the eco-fascists may be the ones who keep their homes at wasteful temperatures and/or throw away perfectly good clothing, and/ or won't eat leftover food, or drive a HUGE SUV or...

These are a HUGE waste of resources.
 
Probably so...if that's the case I'll be going to Mexico to buy a Koblenz TL. Water hog, SS tub, slow-stroke tranny, and spiralator washing action, what more could I ask for? Plus, I'm (somewhat) fluent in Spanish, so reading the control panel/instructions are no problem for me.

In Canada, instructions are in both English and French so it won't pose a problem. I wonder how many machine designs differ from what we have here?
 
The Koblentz TL from Mexico sounds nice--also would love to try to buy a SQ new TL while they are still made.And yes-thats true water for washers and lawn watering has different destinations-its still wasteage in the case of the lawn.Esp if you are trying to grow a lawn in a desert!!I would love to see us get away from keeping lawns--what good are they-you can't eat it!!wastes water and resources to grow it-and fuel use and pollution (air and noise) from mowers and other yard care appliances to take care of it.However when I do mow my yard-think of it as vacuuming a giant carpet!
 
Oh my, all the stereotypes about "ecofascists." As if none of us here ever got hit over the head with a stereotype in our own lives, huh?!

EnergyStar is not a mandate, it's a market-driven thing, that companies gain advantages from advertising about. You can't "ban" that any more than you can "ban" automakers advertising their MPG ratings. All it is, is a standard reporting method.

That being said, I find EnergyStar ratings for washers & dryers to be less than useful. They make assumptions about how many pounds per load, how many loads per year, and all that, which is almost impossible to translate into real world performance except in a very relative way. Far more useful to say how many kilowatt hours and how many gallons of water, for a load of some specific size that's within the realistic capacity rating of the machine. Then you can figure out for yourself what the yearly totals are, based on your actual needs. This of course is "too simple," and some manufacturers would resist mightily.

As for lawns: I find it somewhere between amusing and tragic that people spend so much time practicing an expensive and time-consuming (not to mention energy and water consuming) agricultural ritual for a non-edible crop.

Simple solution to all of this: No need to micromanage peoples' lifestyles. You have a monthly allotment of water and electricity, you can use it any way you like. This will encourage clever solutions such as using graywater from the washer to water the lawn, etc. Same case with gasoline and other limited resources.
 
Well, DG, around the SF Bay Area, water is priced so that the more you use, the more you pay per gallon (or, "unit", which is around 7000 gallons or something like that). So the incentive is to conserve.

Unlike the Sacramento area, where as I recall there are no water meters on residences... you can use all you like as long as you're not visibly wasting it. I guess being at the confluence of two major fresh unpolluted rivers gives that luxury. I died hear though that some areas there are planning on going to a metered billing system.

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The cork is a thought, isn't it? But I don't know too many eco-freaks who drive huge SUV's, although clunky Volvos have always seem to be a favorite with them.
 

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