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Agreed, Wannapinkset!

I am in complete agreement with you about unions- they represent the only fair shake workers have ever had.

It is not that UAW workers make too much- Chinese and Mexican workers make too little. CEO's are taking advantage of that disparity while they can. I don't know what they will do when foreign labour costs rise to American levels. And trust me, they will. People working in a prosperous industrial economy WANT stuff. Houses, cars, furniture, TVs, you name it. And over time, their demands will expand, and they will be met- because there is a lot of money to be made doing so. Already China is experiencing a boom in consumer goods for its own people.

It's only a matter of time before the Chinese worker is as high-maintenance as anyone else. And not a helluva lot of time, either. America needs to figure out what to do about that, and quickly- we're giving away too much industrial base in the meantime, and what is making average Chinese prosperous may end up making America a second-class economy.
 
I have read this thread and its stilla shock. I will be glad to see chrysler seperate from Daimler Benz. But i'd love to see them make more than one decent vehicle (The Dodge Caravan/Town and Country Vans)..And get some decent customer service..
Johnny my partner had a 2003 Dodge Neon. At 80K the car was a gonner. Yup. 1 tranmisson @55K, 1 head gasket @50K, 6 sensors, 2 sunroofs, the radio made awful noises, the entire front suspenison was shot, the seat was as hard as a brick and it got a wopping 21 mpgs and was steadily dropping. The car had 19 major repairs in 3 years. Nope. No More, the car had to be taken on a flat bed to be traded in, at least the dealer gave us $4,800 for it, not knowing the engine was blown..I will drive a Caravan and thats it. They aren't noted for reliablity but at least the sum of the vehicle dates back 12+ years. Years ago Chrysler built great cars. But starting around 1995 they whent kaput with there cars and around 1998 the trucks soon followed.
Look how many sludged over 2.7 V6 owners there are. They burn oil like a sieve. Look how many chrysler owners reported vehicle fires. Quite a few. I was one. I had a 1996 Chrysler Cirrus 4 cyl in high school and it burst into flames while i was in class (oh that was fun... a Junior in high school and your car is burning out side for all to watch).. I wouldn't touch a 4cyl chrysler at all. Jeeps have fallen soo far behind, i am shocked so many people like them. The Grand Cherokees are awful.
Nope, Chrysler lost a customer the day they told me a power steering hose caused me to loose my car and that it was due to poor engineering on there part (i have the papers someplace)and all they gave me was another used Cirrus to replace it.. Nope. I got that car straight from the factory my aunt worked at (it was a chrysler company car) and she quit the day the case was settled and whent to work for Ford. because of the way chrysler treated me. I am not saying this has happend to every one, but chrysler has had many boo-boos and i just can't over look this. Now you could give me a K-Car any day and i'd drive the pee out of it. But anything newer than a 1994 and i'd have to give it a big think. I'll drive a Ford or GM any day and put up with there BS. In the end they will have far less issues and problems and have some kind of hidden warranty to fix it. Not Chrysler.
 
BTW-Take a walk around you're local Dodge dealer and see how many dead cars they have.. Lots. Also look at all the el cheapo car lots. Notice how many Chrysler products they wind up with, esp. Stratus and Intrepids...
 
In today's news, Kirk Kerkorian is making a bid for Chrysler as well. His Tracinda investment corporation is offering $4.5 billion for Chrysler. That's about 1/5 what he offered for it in the mid-90's. His offer has some contingencies - Chrysler must come to an agreement with labor about sharing the high cost of legacy retirement/health care agreements.

Tracinda would take Chrysler private, which could be a good think in that private ownership can allow troubled companies to make needed changes and improvments that could be difficult in a publically traded company. Then, the firm could take itself public again, to help repay the original investors with greatly (hopefully) appreciated stock.
 
Well, I have a '97 Neon coupe. I find the seats to be very comfortable - far more comfortable than the GM products I've sat in, especially the Saturn of the 90's. I love the way it handles - like a little sports car... almost...

However, the down side: the ABS brakes occasionally (in cold weather) get a little balky, like the booster isn't working all the way. I'd try to fix it myself but am daunted by all the warnings about toying with the brake booster on an ABS equipped car. So I've learned to live with it - it's intermittant. I am planning on replacing the front rotors (already replaced the rear rotors) and maybe that will help.

The transmission started getting a little funky around 50K. It would be balky going into 2nd. Fixed that, but now it's balky until warmed up - and it delays going into reverse when cold... when it finally does, it's with quite a bang. I'm told a complete tranny rebuild is the fix... and I'm not about to spend the $1300 it needs.

The latest problem is the head gasket. It's leaking so much oil at rest that my employer has gotten on my case about it. I can do a head gasket change myself... I just am not looking forward to all the bruised knuckles from the cramped engine compartment.

Oh, and yes the paint is failing. Right now it's only in a patch 2 inch diameter on the side of the roof just above the driver's door. But Im pretty sure it will only grow.

Still, I like the car. Even though it's an automatic, I am always impressed with hnow well it handles. It's just all the other glitches that make it sort of pain.

My '50 Plymouth is now my daily driver...
 
Here is a hint, when you replace those front brakes, go with ceramic pads and slotted disks. They don't cost that much more on top of the normal replacements, but they sure make your car stop a lot faster! And they are quieter and last longer.
At my last brake job I had these installed on my Mazda Tribute. I really got an amazing increase in braking power. I think the cost was about $50. more than the standard replacement parts.

On a side note, the Neon has been out for 10 years already? OMG, I actually expected more from Chrysler in the way of marketing that vehicle. Similar to what GM did to promote the Vega. Remember, the "little car who could?"
 
Chrysler needs learn a bit about customer service!

I really think if Daimler divests itself of Chrysler it is making a stupid mistake. In the last 20 years it has become more and more apparent that the continuing consolidation of automobile companies has lead to a situation where any major company needs to have a full line up to be truly competitive . . . witness Toyota sending millions to create Lexus, and Ford buying Jaguar. Daimler is in the opposite situation from Toyota and Ford, in that they have a nice chunk of the high-end and mid-level market but without Chrysler have no real low-end market. There is of course Smart, but so far they are a very marginal company, albeit with a cool product. The only larger Smart, the now discontinued ForFour, was a badge-engineered Mitsubishi and no indication of any ability on Daimler’s part to design and market a cheaper car. And, even if Daimler were to produce a line of competitive lower end cars, there is still the issue of badging. To call them Mercedes-Benzes would cheapen that brand, not something Daimler should aspire to.

For Chrysler to be competitive on a long-term basis they have to learn to both make a quality product and support it. From my family’s experience, they have a lot to learn. In late ‘91 my mother ordered a top of the line ‘92 Eagle, which at the time would have ranked above any Dodge and just below a New Yorker in the Chrysler line up. It came with the seven year/70,000 mile warranty, and was intended to replace a tough old ‘83 Peugeot 505 with a lot of miles on it. What a joke the Eagle was! The Delco alternator failed at 17,000 miles and was replaced one additional time under warranty. The anti-lock brakes (which were an expensive option at the time) started to turn themselves off at highway speeds at about 45,000 miles, and in the remaining three years of the warranty two dealers failed to ever diagnose the problem. At one point the car spent NINE MONTHS with the brake-alert light on, because the part was on national back order. According to the owner’s manual, the car should never be driven with the light on, but both dealers just shrugged their shoulders and said they couldn’t do anything about getting the part until Chrysler decided to make some more. This was on a three year old car! There were two windshield wiper switches as well under warranty. Eventually the fuel gauge quit working too, becoming erratic, but the low fuel light still worked so it was ignored as it wasn’t covered under the long-term warranty. Another item not covered was peeling paint. The car was never wrecked, but the white paint started peeling off the roof after about five years. Even a bodyshop man said it was due to manufacturing issues, but Mom had no choice but to have the roof repainted at her expense.

At 65,000 miles, just after the warranty timed out, the automatic transmission quit. Chrysler wanted $5,000 for a rebuild, and $7,000 for a new one (yes you read that right!). We had an independent shop fix it, and at that point Mom ordered a new Camry. My sister ended out with the Eagle, since it was essentially worthless as a trade in even though it was in great cosmetic condition and ran well aside from the ABS turning off on the highway. At that point I began to maintain it, figuring the dealers were just incompetent. Number three alternator quit shortly after this, and then the fuel pump as well. I viewed the latter issue as a blessing in disguise, as the fuel gauge sending unit is part of the assembly (made by Carter). The new fuel pump lasted, but within 30,000 miles the gauge had quit again. The starter (by Mitsubishi) went as well, and was replaced with a more powerful rebuilt one by a shop who said they did that all the time since the factory one was undersized. The front suspension bushings were replaced at 83,000 miles because they had rotted out to the point that there was literally no bushing left and the car was clunking over bumps and dangerous to drive. At the same time the driveshafts were replaced as preventative maintenance because the alignment shop found significant wear in them.

At 100,000 miles the water pump started leaking, which I didn’t feel was unreasonable, and the dealer had one in stock for $125.000, also reasonable. However, he didn’t have the three O-rings required to install a new pump. Those took two dealers THREE WEEKS to get, and neither dealer would agree to order them by second-day air (from a Chrysler warehouse in Minneapolis) even if I paid the fee! Both dealers make it clear that I couldn’t expect better service for a nine-year old car and neither seemed to have much idea of how to read their own parts books, which is why it took two of them to get three correct O-rings. I still have the incorrect parts they ordered, as they wouldn’t refund my money. Other cooling system failures included one of the two radiator fans and a plastic radiator tank fracturing, which required anew radiator. Eventually I gave my sister an ultimatum: I would no longer maintain the car. She bought a new Mazda in 2004, and the Eagle, with 125,000 miles on it, was donated to Aids Project LA. It still looked pretty good from the right side, but by then the paint was starting to peel on the driver’s door too . . .

The one part of the Eagle which was pretty much faultless aside from maintenance was the engine. It was made in France by Renault, and it never used oil, overheated (except when the plastic radiator fractured), or failed to start (except for the starter failure). If only the rest of the car had been made by Renault, my mother would probably still be driving it today, as she really liked the car when it ran. As it is, nobody in my family would even THINK of buying a Chrysler anything, since not only was the product shoddily made, but the service back-up was even worse. And the Camry which replaced it? That is now seven years old, with maybe 80,000 miles on it. It has had exactly one failure, a sticky seat belt retractor replaced under warranty. I should add that this Camry is the top of the line XLE model, with virtually every option, including digital climate control, sunroof, V-6, ABS brakes, etc., etc., so there is a lot to go wrong but it just doesn’t. You can be sure when it does get replaced it will be with another Toyota. I should also add that I don’t even like Toyotas much, but it sure is nice to not have to spend hours on the phone to my mother 1300 miles away trying to give advise as to how to deal with a broken car.

Until Chrysler quits viewing their products as cheap disposable cars which aren’t worth providing parts for in a timely manner they aren’t going to be competitive with other manufacturers. I would hope that Daimler would see this, and the value to them in owning a successful Chrysler, and take steps to improve matters. I know it is a long time since my mother’s Eagle was made, but it was only three years ago that I was trying to source parts for it and certainly the attitude was anything but “customer first”. If Daimler cuts Chrysler loose, I predict they will sink within ten years, and deservedly so. It is sad, because they could be so much more.
 
Wow.... I take it she had an Eagle Premier... Not good cars at all from the onset...

BTW-Sudsmaster- I would check book value on you're neon. It may not be worth it to repair it. Last time i checked a 1998 Neon with 75K was worth around $1800 (a friend of ours). Neons are known for blowing head gaskets, so be warned too that this won't be the first one. Also if the water pump goes, so does the head gasket... So may wanna replace that..
I'd just find a used 97-98 Escort, Protege, Corolla or Prizm and say buh-bye...
 
my Chrysler Experience

I have never owned or been exposed to Chrysler products. My family only owned GM, and my dad spent a lot of time under the hood of our cars. The first car I purchased was a 1986 Subaru GL, the solid build and reliability of that car is still the standard by which i compare my other cars.

When I started dating my wife in 1994, her mother had a new Chrysler Concorde. She said it replaced a Plymouth K-Car station wagon that had over 150K miles on it. The Concorde was (and still is) a beautiful and unique looking car. Today, my brother in law is driving it, and it has over 300K miles. Other than a transmission at 165K, it has had no repairs. The tape player has stopped working, other than that, it is still like new.

My mother in law now drives a 2003 Dodge Stratus with 100K miles on it, and it has never been repaired.

With my in-laws singing the praises of Chrysler I purchased a Dodge Grand Caravan in 2000. We traded it last year for a Chrysler Town and Country. The Dodge had 205K miles, and was running perfect. Other than a transmission solinoid(sp) at 150K, it was trouble free. The Town and Country has not disappointed us. It is a great comfortable mom-mobile for my wife and she loves it.

I drive a 2004 Chevrolet Malibu. I was in a total brain-fart when I bought it. I get a discount on GM, and I needed a car, so it seemed like a good idea at the time. It is having electrical problems, and on some days doesn't want to start. The seats are showing signs of wear, even though I keep the car show-room clean. I plan to trade it for a Sebring convertible hard top when they come out next year.

I'm totally sold on Chrysler, and I hope they do well.
 
Many of Chrysler's woes from the late 80's and ninties comes from their inbreeding with Mitsubishi...a company that builds great TV's but can't seem to build an engine that's worth anything. An older friend of mine said that Mitsubishi built the airplanes Kamikaze pilots flew, and they only had to last a few thousand miles to make it across the ocean to crash into an unsuspecting boat. Mitsubishi apparently still uses the same design criteria to this day in their automobile manufacturing!!!

The infamous 2.7 liter V6 you mention of Chad, along with it's predecessor, the 3.0 V6 that made it into just about everything they build all have the same issues with bad cylinder head castings. In these engines, not only do the head gaskets start leaking, but the valve guides wear out, camshafts grind themselves down to nothing, and if your engine runs long enough through those issues, chances are your main bearings will take a crap too! The problem also invaded their 2.4 liter 4-banger made by Mitsubishi too. The odd thing about this is that while Chrysler got a black eye over these POS engines, just about every automotive publication (Especially Consumer Reports!!!) remained totally hush-hush over the fact that it affected genuine Mitsubishi vehicles too!

Chrysler at least used a little brains and designed their own V6, the 3.3 liter an 3.9 liter engines, which proved to be great engines, and "rescued" sales of the minivans that were tarnished by that Mitsubishi disaster. Unfortunatley, they did not learn enough from their mistake and guess what! They are back to using Mitsubishi S**T in their small cars again. The Neons, PT cruisers, and Calibers are all using Mitsubishi mechanicals again AAARRGH!!!

Now, for all you folks getting issues with your electronically controlled transmission, they are the result of a little $50 part on the front of your engine, that for some reason has not been redesigned! It's the crankshaft position sensor, and it tells the computer how fast the engine is turning. along with all sorts of other vital info. It's an optical device that relies on an infrared beam that's broken by a slotted disc in the harmonic balancer. When the optical sensor gets dirty after the front seal seeps a little bit and road dust gets in there, it will give odd RPM readings to the computer, causing the transmission to shift erratically. Most people just blame the transmission, and most 3rd party repair shops intent on selling transmissions versus making true repairs (AAMCO) use this issue to screw customers out of transmissions. Now, if the problem is not caught soon enough yes, it will cause damage to the transmission, but ususally before that time, the problem will also mainfest itself as "Check Engine" lights and stumbling/hesitation, and bad mileage because the engine's timing is off too.

One of the things I cannot figure out is why Chrysler is trying to rid itself of any and all American Motor designs! This is like killing a goose that's laying golden eggs! You mentioned that you didn't know why the Grand Cherokee's were so popular, but it all comes back to the fact that the original Grand Cherokee design was actually an AMC design that was in gestation prior to Chrysler buying them out. AMC vehicles were typically very well designed vehicles. Obviously too, the original Cherokee (replaced by the Liberty) was also an AMC design, along with the Wrangler that just also recently received a makeover. One of AMC and Chrysler's best engines was the old 4.0 liter straight 6. A very torquey, reliable engine that powered all the AMC-Jeep derived vehicles. Chrysler has shot itself in the foot by scrapping this engine, and closing the old AMC plant that built them! The new Daimler designed versions of the Grand Cherokee, Wrangler, and Liberty are all convoluted junk compared to their predecessors. For example, the Wrangler has a double-wishbone front suspension, not a beam axle. Hello! This is an off road truck! NOT a family hauler, it doesn't need a cushy ride. I can't wait to see how many of them start breaking front-end parts as soon as owners try to get them to do anything their old CJ's would do! It will not be long before Jeep sales fall of considerably after this mistake!
 
It isn't that Mercedes doesn't build cheaper cars, it's that they don't sell them in the US in order to maintain the "luxury" car mystique. When I say "cheaper" I mean less expensive versions of their current lineup minus the leather seats, smaller engines, less options etc. The C class and the E Class were available in Europe with a wide array of engine choices, interiors that weren't/are not available in Canada and the US. They did and possibly still do sell a lower cost version in Canada and not the US, called the Classic, cloth seats, no alarm system, no power seats etc but pretty much everything else for thousands less and not available in the US.
 
Thanks for the info on the 2.7, did not know it was related to the 3.0 V6, which i always though was a better engine (a friend of mines parents have 3 caravans, all with a 3.0 V6 and all are fairly sturdy engines).. I do know that they replaced the valve guide seals at 140K or so... Hmmm...I knew that the 2.0 was similar to a mitsu engine as well, never relized the 2.4 was as well. I wonder where the 3.2 V6 comes in???

My family has always had Gm/Ford and had great luck with them. (My sister has a company 2005 Malibu with 118K and no issues at all) My Aunt and Mom had a Volvo and i am the true rebal having owned a Nissan and Toyota.

The main Chrsyler i will drive is a Dodge Caravan with the 3.3 V6. Thats it. Or maybe an older intrepid with 3.3 V6 in it, or an inline 6 Jeep Cherokee or Wrangler. Otherwise forget it.
 
The Mercedes A-Class . . .

is the cheapest car they make under their own name. It was intended to compete with the higher-end VW Golfs, and now of course with the 1-series BMW. The A-Class and 1-Series aren't sold in the US. The A-Class looks to be a permenant part of the Mercedes lineup, but it is not a big seller because it is expensive for a small car and Mercedes doesn't appear to be interested in expanding the range beyond one four-door body style and a choice of four cylinder gas or diesel engines. I don't think a six is offered, although I could be wrong. Compare this with VWs enormous lineup of Golf platform cars from VW, Seat, and Skoda. There four, five, and six cylinder engines, two and four door sedans, convertibles, wagons, etc., and below this level VW has smaller cars like the Polo. So does Ford, Renault, Fiat, Honda, Toyota, etc. Mercedes has never been a player in this market, which is where Chrysler could be strong, assuming that they could manage to build a decent small car.

It's nice some people have had good experiences with Chrysler, but company is so hit-or-miss that I just wouldn't chance it with my money. That's why the resale value on their products tends to be so low, as who knows if a shiny out of warranty Chrysler is a great car or an unmaintainable money pit? I have had two friends with Dodge trucks in the last decade. One regularly pulls a large horse trailer all over the southwest loaded with show horses. It also tows old race and collectible cars frequently, and gets used for commuting too. It is dead reliable, better than the Ford it replaced. The other truck never tows anything, just does regular duty, and the transmission didn't last 70,000 miles, plus many, many smaller issues. Both are extremely well maintained per Dodge's recommendations at the dealer.

For what it's worth, my family's experience with trying to get parts for the Eagle included two Jeep/Eagle dealerships in Dallas, two in Los Angeles, and one Dodge dealer in Los Angeles. Some of the parts guys were quite nice, but they would tell you pretty much upfront that you couldn't expect them to have parts available in a timely manner. At least once a back-ordered warranty part turned out to be the wrong part in the right box, causing the tech to have the car for a whole day only to have to reinstall the defective part since noboy knew when the right part would actually arrive!
 
The problem with Chrysler carrying the "great small car" segment for Daimler-Chrysler is that it has the international equation a bit backwards. Small cars sell well, and for a premium, in Europe. A $30,000 small car is not unusual there. Here, it would have to sell for $15,000 or less. Small cars just don't have the profit margin of larger cars, vans, and trucks. The underlying reason is the relatively cheap price of gas in the USA. Currently it's about $3 or less per gallon. In Europe is $6 or more. The distances, roads, parking spaces, and garages in Europe lend themselves to small cars, as well.

Incidentally, the original Neon has almost exactly the same foot print - wheelbase and track - as the Mercedes 190. While it is far less sophisticated, it still handles well enough to become a standard class in SCCA racing. I don't think it's coincidental that Chrysler looked to Europe for inspiration the basic dimensions of its smallest car. Unfortunately, while the Neon sold well enought, Chyrsler cut far too many corners in key areas for it to be the great car it could have been.
 
Chrysler cutting corners?

LOL, when I was dealing with keeping the Eagle on the road I did a fair amount of research, and found that unlike most cars which gradually get more reliable each year as the manufacturer finds and fixes issues, it actually peaked in the middle of its' production span and then became much less reliable toward the end. Early cars had Bosch ABS which was reliable, late ones got Bendix which was a disaster. Early cars had no noticeable windshield wiper trouble, later ones had lots of problems there. I found out why at a salvage yard where I discovered that the early wiper motors had a cheap little plastic shield over the motor which protected them from rainwater falling through the cowl vents, while later ones didn't and as a result if the motor ends aren't sealed perfectly (and they aren't!)then the motor fills with water. The whole assembly is different so there is no installing the shield on a later car. Both the ABS issues and wiper problems were severe enough to merit being listed on the NHTSA website. Chrysler took a good solid design they inherited from AMC and proceeded to cut every corner they could until the result was an unmaintainable car.

It is true that in Europe there is a big market for well appointed and pricey small cars that doesn't exist here, but that is where the Mercedes A-Class lives. There is still a big market though for popularly priced small and medium sized cars. Things are changing here too because most Americans think $3.00 gas is outrageous even though it is really, really cheap by international standards. My daily driver is diesel so I don't watch gas prices carefully but I have been noticing it well over $3.00 recently. I really think we are about to see a replay of the '80s when many Americans did significantly reduce the size of their cars. Chrysler was saved then by the K-car, which was the right car at the right time, but now they've abandoned all small cars and bet their future on big trucks and medium to large sedans. They also did well in the '60s with the Valiant and Dart, even in an era of cheap fuel.

I certainly don't expect that Chrysler would become a manufacturer exclusively of small cars, but if they stick to only large models their viability as a global manufacturer is really compromised. They don't have the reputation for quality needed to build expensive large cars, and the market for cheap large cars is limited and will shrink greatly with rising fuel prices. That is just what is happening right now, and D-C should have seen it coming before they abandoned the Neon.
 
Not to digress from this thread,...but i think when it came to small cars, GM was trying to do the same with Saturn. These cars have proven to be overall reliable...which something GM desperately needed, but were never the darlings of the likes of CU.

Before the Saturn i bought, i was considering the PT cruiser which was supposed to be a pretty reliable car also,...the looks of that car either turn your head or turn you off.

A car should look good from the outside and have a nice interior to match,...The big three are finally starting to see this after years of shitty interiors for the most part and the Cheap ass plastic interior of my saturn is a joke,...though it has had no major repairs other than fluid checks, brakes and a new battery in the nearly 6 years i have owned it.

I see so many newer chrysler vehicles all over the road lately,
at least their styling seems to be there,.. especially now that Ford has come back with the classic mustang and GM is going to resurrect the camaro. Chryler is also coming back with it's old muscle car the charger.

But i guess these are limited to appeal certain segments of the population who would want these cars and not getting down to a good family passenger car that the imports dominate and have made their bread and butter.

NA is catching up, but once again it is probably too little too late.
 
Chrysler was actually planning on releasing a true luxury car at the end of the 20th century, but the "merger" with Benz put the kibosh on that. Anything that might detract from Mercedes sales was discouraged. If Chrysler is taken private, it's quite possible we could see a true luxury car with the Chrysler nameplate on it again, one that even might be competitive with Cadillac, Lincoln, and maybe even Mercedes and the rest of the Euro crowd.

As far as large trucks, it's interesting that Chrysler has never had a huge SUV along the lines of the Ford Expedition or Chevy Suburban, or the Hummer H2. The Durango was based on the mid-size Dakota truck platform - for better or worse. The Cherokee has never been a behemoth. This was a bit of a hit in terms of profit from big SUV sales, but these days with the huge SUV's languishing in car lots, it may just save Chrysler some bucks it so clearly needs.

The small car revolution in the USA took place in the 70's, after the long gas lines of the '73 Arab oil embargo. People gravitated towards existing American econoboxes - such as the Pinto and the Chevette - as well as already fuel efficient Japanese and European models. It's a bit ironic that many fuel-thirsty muscle cars from the late 60's and early 70's plummeted in value when gas got scarce. Now the some of the same cars are selling for millions in classic car auctions.
 
LOL, a buddy of mine told me the story of his Shelby GT500KR convertible. He got it cheap in '74 as a student at the University of Pennsylvania because it was a rare, gas-guzzling convertible and nobody wanted it. He ran it for awhile, spent a lot of money on it, and finally decided it was just too expensive to run. An added incentive was applying for a much-needed student loan and being spotted driving the red Shelby by the loan officer!

After selling it he took the money and bought a nearly new '73 Fiat 850 Spider. That Fiat took him through grad school at Stanford, then was his daily driver for awhile in Detroit where he was an engineer at Chrysler. Eventually he tired of Detroit and relocated to LA, still with the 850. It hasn't been a daily driver in years, what with close to 200,000 miles on the clock, but is still used frequently on nice days. The Shelby would now be worth a lot of money, while the Fiat is worth nearly nothing, but my friend said he would never, ever want to go back to the Shelby.

I still remember Texas briefly having gas rationing in about '75 or '76 when I was in high school. It was based on even and odd license plate numbers. It didn't bother me much as I would just swap plates between my car and one of my parent's cars. Not exactly legal but they were all Citroen D-Series sedans and I was pretty sure if the cops stopped me they would be unable to tell my '69 from my dad's '67.

There was a lot of resistance to smaller cars in the '70s, just like you hear from the SUV crowd today. I even recall one '76 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham which wandered through north Dallas with custom plates (rare in Texas at the time) which proudly said "Big 'Un". The next year Cadillac downsized for the first time, and in '80 even Lincoln did. I've often wondered if the owner of that Fleetwood bought a '79 Lincoln when he saw the '80 models roll in! About the same time came the GM "X" cars, Chrysler K cars, and Ford's "Fox" platform. Chrysler even shrunk the Imperial, first with the Imperial coupe in '80 and then eventually with a stretched K car platform (even I admit that was tacky for an Imperial).

Regardless of the grumbles from the big-car crowd, these models pretty much killed off the classic big V-8 rear drive sedan as the standard American car, and changed it into a niche market item. It wasn't until the big SUVs of the '90s that Americans once again started to buy large numbers of 4000-5000 pound, eight cylinder vehicles for everyday use. I just think the pendulum is moving again, and with gas prices unlikely to ever go down significantly the big SUVs will be relegated to becoming niche vehicles as well. Can't be too soon for me, as I'm tired of parking in clearly labeled compact spaces and returning to find a Suburban on one side and a Navigator on the other.
 
I Heard THAT!

"I'm tired of parking in clearly labeled compact spaces and returning to find a Suburban on one side and a Navigator on the other."

Yep, isn't it FUN trying to back out of a space that's completely walled in on both sides, into oncoming traffic that you cannot possibly see?

Bastards.
 
Tight parking . . .

Oh, I've had worse than just trouble getting the car out of a parking space. Try getting into the car in the first place! Several years I had business with the City of Beverly Hills, and so parked my much loved '87 Fiat (Bertone) X1/9 in their parking garage. If you remember the X1/9, it is a very small car indeed, only 62 inches wide and 157 inches long, so it fits with room to spare in a compact space.

After concluding my business, I came back out to the garage only to find a Navigator on the left and a Range Rover on the right. I have no idea how the driver of the Range Rover exited; either it was a very, very small woman or someone who got out the right-hand door. I'm average size (6' and 185 lbs. at the time), and I couldn't get either door of the Fiat opened far enough to get inside. Part of the problem was that on either side of the Navgator and Range Rover were two more big cars, making it obvious that the drivers of the SUVs had picked spaces next to the Fiat because it was small enough to allow them to park over the white line. All of the spaces were clearly marked as compact spaces.

I might add this is a five story parking garage, and serves the entire City Hall complex, including the library and police, and the lower floors are most always full. I had business appointments and couldn't afford to sit and wait possibly for hours for the inconsiderate jerks to come back to their SUVs. After some thought I was able to get into my car by opening the passenger's door, holding onto the roof with my left hand, and reaching in with my right arm to put the key in the ignition so I could lower the right window. Then, by leaning on the right window sill, I entered feet first and gradually lowered myself into the passenger's seat. I don't think the door could open more than about six inches, just enough for my legs, and the way the window angles in toward the top made it essetial for it to be out of the way for the rest of me to enter. Then I had to crawl over the console and shifter, not easy in a 46 inch high car, but doable. Once that was done I backed out and then collected all my plans and paperwork which I had left on top of another car. I was late for my next appointment, and oh was I pissed off!

Now when I go to that garage I just immediately drive all the way up to the rooftop to avoid that kind of rudeness!
 
I had something similar years ago. I had parked my Volvo at Safeway at the far far end of the parking lot where no cars were intentionally because it was new and I come back out and some arsehole had parked his Cadillac so close it took me forever to try and get in my car from the passenger side. I had an extremely bad back at the time and it was near impossible for me to get in the passenger side and wiggle my way over the console and shifter. Knowing I had good bumpers on that Volvo when I backed out I purposely scraped my bumper right down the side of his car that's how pissed off I was. And no I"m not sorry to this day because I have no idea why he chose to park within inches of mine when there was a 3/4 empty parking lot
 
Penalty for bad parking!

I can't condone vandalism, but that story reminds me of how a friend punished someone for damaging his parked car. Happily for the sake of this thread, it involves a Chrysler as a main player.

Dean and I dated for awhile in college, and were both motorheads. His car was a fairly early Karmann Ghia, kind of ratty but of huge value to him. Nobody in his family was the least bit mechanical but he meddled around when he could with his mother's Squareback. At 16 he found the Ghia, barely running, for $100. With no supervision and little budget he gradually rebuilt the engine and did what he could on the body and paint. When he moved back to Houston in '81 he had a company car, but he wasn't supposed to use that for "recreational use", i.e. bar hopping. That seems funny to worry about now but he was 20, and so of course this was a problem! The Ghia was out of the question, as he wouldn't parallel park it due to the legendary fragility of the nose if tapped.

The solution was a '72 Chrysler New Yorker four-door hardtop. It needed a new carburetor and some window switches, but was a really clean one owner car for only $250. The huge four-barrel 440 cu. in. engine (7.2 liters) made it a real gas hog and thus worthless by '81. One Saturday night Dean came back from an evening out, and cruised through the parking lot of his apartment complex. Parking was tight at the complex, and he kept the Ghia in a reserved space. It was gone, however, and in its place was a '76 Oldsmobile Cutlass which Dean had never seen in the parking lot. In a panic he stopped the Chrysler and got out, only to see the Ghia on the lawn behind the Cutlass with a HUGE dent in the tail. It was evident what had happened, and it proved to be a very unwise move on the part of the Cutlass' owner.

Dean thought about calling the cops, but was too mad. So he started the Ghia and moved it off the lawn and parked it on the street. He then took the Chrysler and used it to push the Cutlass onto the lawn. Remember this was a nearly 4000 pound car! Then, as he told me "I was still so mad I turned that damned Cutlass sideways." I asked him how he did this since the Cutlass was locked and he couldn't turn the steering wheel to help manouver it. As he put it "Oh, I just put the nose of the Chrysler up against the door of the Cutlass and kept pushing the accelerator. At first the door of the Cutlass just caved in a little, but eventually the whole car moved sideways." Then he parked the Chrysler around the corner and went to sleep for a few hours, careful to set his alarm. In the morning he woke up, looked out the window, and the Cutlass was still there, so he called the apartment manager and reported that some obviously drunk person had parked a beat-up old car on the lawn. The manager had it towed . . .

Regardless of all Chrysler's foibles, nobody could ever claim that a 440 backed up with a 727 Torqueflite wasn't a strong combination!
 
One of my motorcycling buddies had a parking story to relate.

He had parked, legally, on the street in Berkeley one evening. When he got done with dinner, he came back to find a car parked with its front bumper about an inch from the high side of the motorcycle. This mean he had to drag the 500 lb bike away from the car so he could right it, start it, and ride it away.

His revenge? He took a small pebble off the road, and then placed it inside the tire air valve stem cap. Then he screwed it back on the valve stem, until he heard a faint "hiss". After that he rode away, satisfied that somewhere down the road, an inconsiderate driver would be enjoying a flat tire...
 
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