Calling ALL EDSEL Owners

[danemodsandy]

Tim:

On Teletouch, the button pod in the centre of the wheel stays stationary; it doesn't move with the wheel. The wiring in the column is actually one of the more reliable components of the system. And a good thing, too, because the stationary pod was accomplished with a nightmarishly difficult-to-service steering column assembly.

There's a Wikipedia article on the system you would probably enjoy; linkie is below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletouch

 

[jetcone]

Sandy

nice links there I must look them over. I have the manual still I should scan some of it in.
The Teletouch mechanism went two ways. Depending on how or where it was assembled into the car as I recall from the club discussions in the 70's. This could have changed in 30 years I have not kept up with the EOC.
They either were so smooth you could operate it with a toothpick -like Gwendolyn's or so bad you had to hit it with a hammer.
AS I understand the Chrysler version used lever rods like bikes do to activate the transmission shifter forks.
Edsel/Merc had the teletouch control activate a circular switch plate which made the teletouch motor swing an arm to a specific position for a selected gear.
If it all meshed well it worked like a dream.

 

[jetcone]

BTW I've seen that

Bermuda wagon in person at a meet years ago. The interior behind the seats was an absolute mint restoration right down to the chrome screws and collars holding the matting down to the floor. It won a lot of trophys as I recall.

 

[supersuds]

Packard

The 1956 Packards had a pushbutton automatic shifter made by Autolite, mounted on a little pod to the right of the steering wheel. Autolite destroyed the tooling soon after Packard went out of production, causing endless grief for owners of almost new cars.

By the way, 10W-30 oil was pretty common by the late Fifties. Chrysler products recommended it too, or 20w-40. I always heard that the early multigrades were pretty terrible, though, and my dad, for one, wouldn't use them until the 1970s.

 

[danemodsandy]

Didn't Lincoln...

...Have its own version of Teletouch in this time frame? Those late-'50s Lincolns are not quite as familiar to me as the early '50s cars or the 1961-63 ones.

 

[jetcone]

I just remembered something

in the B&W photo,the guy standing to the far right with his family next to the '59 lived south of Albany and he had 75 Edsels on his farm in Ghent.
I can't quite remember his name.

 

[supersuds]

Nope, Lincolns didn't use pushbuttons. The '56 through '60 models had wonderful long, shapely column shifters.

I had a '64 -- much more sedate looking, but very similar mechanically to the '58-'60 models. It had virtually the same 430 cu. in. engine as the top-line Edsels and Mercurys. Weighed about half a ton but virtually indestructible!

 

[alr2903]

bump

Jetcone, this thread was so far down in the forum . I almost missed it, what a treat! alr2903

 

[112561]

1955 Lincoln Futura

This show car is the only Lincoln vehicle to have pushbuttons. Lincoln toyed with the idea of pushbuttons briefly for 1958, but forgot about it quickly. I believe the buttons were in the center of the steering wheel, like Edsel.

 

[sudsmaster]

Push Button Trannies

Not sure when Chrysler phased them out, but my '64 Plymouth Valiant 2-dr hardtop coupe has the transmission controls on the dash, to the left of the steering column. It was basically my first car, the one I really learned how to drive with, and I usually would find myself stabbing the dash with my left hand when driving a car with a more "normal" transmission control location. That transmission, by the way, is an early A-904 Torqueflite. It has a rear pump so that it can be bump started - which back in the day came in useful when it was experiencing charging/starting issues. I remember using the bump start feature more than once when parked at the top of the hill above the UCSF med center where I worked.

Fifteen years ago it cost all of $300 to have that transmission rebuilt. Today, it would be more like $800, but still a bargain. Still have the car, and it runs fine, but I parked it about 10 years ago to save on registration/insurance. Legendary slant six motor.

 

[MikeS]

Chrysler Push Button Drive

Chrysler introduced push button automatic transmissions (in both PowerFlite and TorqueFlite versions) starting with the 1956 models. (They replaced a dashboard lever just right of the steering wheel.) But by the early 1960's, there was resistance to the Chrysler push buttons, even though they worked well in normal use. Plus, the federal government was putting pressure on automakers to adopt a PRNDL transmission quadrant to prevent accidents (which happened with automatics that put Reverse next to Low, as in PNDLR). Chrysler adopted lever-controlled automatics (either on the steering column or between the bucket seats) starting with the 1965 models.
And Sudsmaster is right: Those Slant Sixes were indestructable. So were the 318, 360 and 383 V8's, and the marvelous TorqueFlite--the best automatic transmission ever! Even if the trim and small pieces fell apart (a frequent occurence with late 1960's and 1970's Chrysler products), the drivetrain would run on and on.

 

[rickr]

The Edsel was an unusual car. I remember as a kid, asking my dad why Ford dropped the Edsel line. He said the public did not like the styling, plus the fact that the car was named after Fords son did not help either.

 

[112561]

Sudsmaster

You have one of my dream cars. 1964 was the last Chrysler pusbutton tranny. I so want a Valiant or Dart, with a pushbutton Slant 6!

Mr. and Mrs. Ahern had the little house next door built for them, when we got here in '61, they had a two tone blue Plymouth Fury 2dr hardtop with a Flightsweep rear deck. They left rather quickly, because Mr. Ahern got sick of watching the new houses being slathered with paint out of a wheelbarrow.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Fabulous

Love those vintage pictures of you Jon!!!

 

[rickr]

Here is a link to a cool Edsel commercial on Youtube

 

[rp2813]

Growing up we had a '57 Lincoln Premiere 4-door hardtop. It was quite the car, but also the world's biggest lemon, however as was stated above, Lincoln never had a push-button transmission control. The '57 did have A/C with a vent in each of the four corners of the ceiling and the two big clear plastic ducts coming up out of the rear dash. My dad had traded in the '51 Cosmopolitan coupe for the '57. After the '57 he swore off Lincolns for a few years until he came across a cream puff of a '65 and bought it for his commute car. He never owned a more faithful vehicle than that one. It's with a collector in Michigan now. I think those Kennedy series Continentals from '61 through '65 were the height of modern day Lincoln quality. I'd like to get my hands on a '63 someday. They're a little more sporty, shorter, lower, with the earlier version of the "Continental" brightwork on the rear quarter panels and have the curved side window glass.

Dan, is your '59 Pontiac by any chance a Bonneville? I'd like to see it sometime regardless! We had family friends who owned one in metallic aqua and still have home movies showing them pulling up to our house in it when it was brand new.

 

[danemodsandy]

Edsel Failure:

One of the big reasons (not the only one) that Edsel failed was that its styling ran directly counter to styling trends current at that time. The most successful cars then had low, horizontal grilles, and high, vertical taillights. Edsel had a vertical grille and horizontal taillights. Many people cannot decide if something unusual is good or not; they pass up things that are distinctive and buy something like everyone else has. In the recession of '58, that was a real problem.

I wrote an article about Edsels some years ago that is still online. To see it (it's free, and no registration or anything), click on the linkie:

http://www.jetsetmodern.com/edsel.htm

 

[112561]

Great article!

I read it three years ago or so, but I don't retain a lot, so it was nice to see it again. If I had been a buyer in late 1957, I would have fallen in quickly! There was an even less complimentary comparison to the horsecollar grille, as well as the classic "Oldsmobile sucking a lemon". It is unprintable here. At least though, in ten years or less, people started the Edsel Owner's Club.

(West Palm Beach Edsel Dealer)

 

[danemodsandy]

More Edsel Photos:

I did another article for Jetsetmodern that is not totally about Edsels, but which has two Edsel photos taken at McAuley Motors in Merced, CA on Introduction Day in 1957. They're Kodachromes, and well worth looking at:

http://jetsetmodern.com/rmc.htm

 

[thor]

1955 Lincoln Futura

112561, the Lincoln Futura prototype which appears in the picture you posted was later used as the Batmobile car in the Batman series of the '60's. They just simply painted it black with red stripes; the car used in the series was this very same prototype, basically "untouched" from a mechanical aspect.

 

[qsd-dan]

Dan, is your '59 Pontiac by any chance a Bonneville? I&#

It's a Catalina Safari (wagon). It isn't much to look at as it's currently undergoing a frame off restoration. I've been trying to locate a specific interior guy for nearly a year now (VERY meticulous about his job) and am having no luck. I may have to find another so I can get on with the restoration. Here's a pic of what mine looks like. It's identical to the gold wagon, down to the trim package and paint color, except mine is a 6 passenger (no rear facing seat) and I have the same gold-ish interior color as the outer body color.

It was a blast to (illegally) drive it around the neighborhood for the short time I had it running, after reviving it from its 27 year nap. They say a frame off restoration starts with an oil change. Yeah, that's kinda how it started with me, lol.

http://www.oldcarmanualproject.com/brochures/Pontiac/1959/index.htm

 

[hydralique]

Batmobile . . .

Thor, you are correct about the original Batmobile having been created from the Lincoln Futura. Generally American show cars such as the Futura were scrapped once they were a few years old, or in some cases kept by the manufacturer. Quite a few of the show cars now in private ownership were sent to be scrapped but sympathetic employees arranged for them to be sent to salvage yards that would then sell them to collectors as scrap metal; this way there was no title so the collectors wouldn't be tempted to drive them or cause trouble with the manufacturer.

The Futura was an interesting case as once it had become too old to show it was mothballed, and then sent to the customizer George Barris as part of a deal for some work he did for Ford. It sat around his shop for awhile in the early '60s until he was hired to create the Batmobile. He realized the Futura would make a great base to work with, and proceeded to make many small changes to the bodywork. The final product was so well accepted that Barris eventually made several copies for promotional work, which is why there are authentic Batmobiles in more than one collection today. As with most all Ford showcars, the Futura had no advanced engineering at all, just regular FoMoCo underpinnings to enable it to run and drive. That was a real boon for Barris, as the rigors of a TV show would have made a car full of one-off mechanical bits impossible to maintain.

As a child I trained my mother to call me in from playing outside just before Batman started so I wouldn't miss seeing the Batmobile shoot flames out of its rear end and then blast out of the Batcave. That flamethrower was one of Barris's changes - arguably the Futura was prettier as originally built, but for a small boy the Batmobile rocked!

 

[jetcone]

thank you Robert BTW love that new

avatar you are using!

Here is Gwendolyn all restored, a front end shot.

 

[jetcone]

this is one of my favorite shots

I love double exposure its a real art form.

 

[jetcone]

My Dad drove Gwen to work one summer and

she became famous in Schenectady. I never knew how much until this winter when I got his scrap book in Dec. She made his retirement party!! Probably more because I left her there and he never knew when he was going to get rid of her!!

 

[danemodsandy]

Dan:

Just Dashes in Van Nuys can reproduce all that dielectric embossing on your Safari's door panels and seats, although they don't do the actual upholstery work - they just emboss the vinyl to get it ready for the upholsterer. Their padded-dash restoration process is supposed to be as good as it gets. Linkie is below:

http://www.justdashes.com/dash_resto.html

 

[swestoyz]

Jon - great thread, and great photos too! I can't say that I was a part of it, but life seems like it was a joy seeing the photo of you and your father working on the car.

I love the retirement invite - back in the day of 4 digit extensions!

Ben

 

[58limited]

SMS in Oregon can do the embossing too, and they were cheaper than Just Dashes, but I haven't checked in 6 years. They also have reproductions of the Edsel fabrics.

http://www.smsautofabrics.com/

 

[jetcone]

Ben

Dad & I spent hours out there in that garage! He taught me how to weld as he had welded Liberty ships together in WWII.
My friend all knew where to find me they would just show up in that driveway.

 

[jetcone]

I think it would be a lot easier to

restore that Pontiac or an Edsel today than back in the 70's. You had to wait for club meets to get linked up now the internet does that for you 24-7.

Soft trim parts are the hardest still , even for washers.

I remember there was a place in PA called Kanter Automotive you could wide white walls and suspension parts. It was a god send!