perc-o-prince
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but you do mean in the dark with no computer, air-conditioni
No computer, for sure, and battery op appliances are OK!
R
No computer, for sure, and battery op appliances are OK!
R
Can I wash 'pots' in my dishwasher
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bobbyderegis
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OK, Rich and Toggles,
Both your minds need a good run thru the sani-cycle! LOL,
Bobby in Boston
Both your minds need a good run thru the sani-cycle! LOL,
Bobby in Boston
perc-o-prince
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Bobby,
Remember....we're yankees. Sani-cycle would waste too much juice
R
Remember....we're yankees. Sani-cycle would waste too much juice
R
my mieles
I know that dishwasher detergent here in Europe is radically different to the US stuff, so just 'cause it works for me does not mean it will for you:
1) Never cast iron. You aren't supposed to even wash it with "normal soap." I have a skillet which my gr'grandmother took from Germany to the 'States and I now have back here in Germany. Been in continuous use since the 1870s. It has a better non-stick surface than teflon.
2) Aluminum will definitely suffer - sooner rather than later - in the dishwasher. But I would never use aluminium for cooking anyway.
3) I have one teflon pan and it has been washed in the dishwasher since 1986. Still looks good, still non-stick. The water does leave little traces...but they wipe off with a papertowel.
4) Would comes out absolutely clean and odor free - but this is a characteristic of European and not necessesarily US detergents.
5) Marble, silver, gold, crystal - don't. No matter what the manufacturers lie to you, don't.
6) Pre-scrubbing is no necessary with European detergents and dishwashers. Nor is it with the US "enzyme" based detergents and heated wash (at least 65°C). Otherwise - normal US detergent, no heated wash, of course you have to put the dishes in clean if you want them to come out clean.
7) Proper loading makes a difference. If the spray can't touch the dirt, how can it clean it?
8) Since modern European dishwashers do not have an exposed heating element many people think the heated wash is not dangerous. Wrong - it gets just as hot as the exposed US elements do. Use it and you will have dulled finishes on some things.
9) In the end, it comes down to three things: proper loading, truly hot water, detergent.
Load it badly, use water that is too cold or run a too short cycle, use non-enzymatic detergent - don't be surprised if everything comes out dirtier than it went in.
I know that dishwasher detergent here in Europe is radically different to the US stuff, so just 'cause it works for me does not mean it will for you:
1) Never cast iron. You aren't supposed to even wash it with "normal soap." I have a skillet which my gr'grandmother took from Germany to the 'States and I now have back here in Germany. Been in continuous use since the 1870s. It has a better non-stick surface than teflon.
2) Aluminum will definitely suffer - sooner rather than later - in the dishwasher. But I would never use aluminium for cooking anyway.
3) I have one teflon pan and it has been washed in the dishwasher since 1986. Still looks good, still non-stick. The water does leave little traces...but they wipe off with a papertowel.
4) Would comes out absolutely clean and odor free - but this is a characteristic of European and not necessesarily US detergents.
5) Marble, silver, gold, crystal - don't. No matter what the manufacturers lie to you, don't.
6) Pre-scrubbing is no necessary with European detergents and dishwashers. Nor is it with the US "enzyme" based detergents and heated wash (at least 65°C). Otherwise - normal US detergent, no heated wash, of course you have to put the dishes in clean if you want them to come out clean.
7) Proper loading makes a difference. If the spray can't touch the dirt, how can it clean it?
8) Since modern European dishwashers do not have an exposed heating element many people think the heated wash is not dangerous. Wrong - it gets just as hot as the exposed US elements do. Use it and you will have dulled finishes on some things.
9) In the end, it comes down to three things: proper loading, truly hot water, detergent.
Load it badly, use water that is too cold or run a too short cycle, use non-enzymatic detergent - don't be surprised if everything comes out dirtier than it went in.
whirlcool
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We wash everything in the dishwasher. We don't have any aluminum or cast iron. If you get a ceramic dish that's pretty baked on (like leftover from meatloaf) we put it in the sink and let it soak for a few hours with Dawn detergent and hot water. Then we just rinse it off and in the dishwasher it goes. Perfectly clean every time.
We do have some wooden handled forks, knives and spoons. We also put those in the dishwasher, but once a month or so we apply mineral oil to the handles to keep them nice and shiny.
We do have some wooden handled forks, knives and spoons. We also put those in the dishwasher, but once a month or so we apply mineral oil to the handles to keep them nice and shiny.
Oh, yes
If it can go in the machine, it sure as heck goes in the machine!
In this GE, when I have pots, pans, and baking items, I use "hot start," and "pots and pans", and they come out really well, for the most part, and if there is a remnant, it's not as bad as before the cycle.
It's the enzymes. I don't use chlorinated detergents anymore. I don't think there's enough chlorine in dishwasher detergent to make a difference at all in sanitation. I may be wrong there.
As for heated drying, depends on whether or not I need to run another load in the same day. If I don't, I'll turn the element off.
Rarely do I turn the water heat boost feature on. I do, usually on days when I have done several loads of laundry and the water heater is catching up.
I put the liner to my slow cooker in the machine, I put my unplugged electric frypans in the machine, I put cookie sheets in the machine....
I said on another board--"The only things I was by hand are my hands."
Lawrence/Maytagbear
If it can go in the machine, it sure as heck goes in the machine!
In this GE, when I have pots, pans, and baking items, I use "hot start," and "pots and pans", and they come out really well, for the most part, and if there is a remnant, it's not as bad as before the cycle.
It's the enzymes. I don't use chlorinated detergents anymore. I don't think there's enough chlorine in dishwasher detergent to make a difference at all in sanitation. I may be wrong there.
As for heated drying, depends on whether or not I need to run another load in the same day. If I don't, I'll turn the element off.
Rarely do I turn the water heat boost feature on. I do, usually on days when I have done several loads of laundry and the water heater is catching up.
I put the liner to my slow cooker in the machine, I put my unplugged electric frypans in the machine, I put cookie sheets in the machine....
I said on another board--"The only things I was by hand are my hands."
Lawrence/Maytagbear
bobbyderegis
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I ram everything in the KitchenAid. I love to hear the old "hurricane in a box" running. Plus, I hate washing any kind of dishes by hand. It ruins my delicate skin. HAHAHAHA.
Bobby in Boston
Bobby in Boston
Plastic Handles
I didn't put pans in the dishwasher because:
Aluminum clad bottoms on Farberware discolored
Plastic Handle lost the glossy finish
Sos keeps the world looking new
Too many kids, too many dishes to have room
My kids were all home in the fall. My daughter watched me load the dishwasher and was shocked. She said I never would have allowed it when they were kids.
I have new cookware with metal handles and copper bottoms. The machine keeps the copper shiny and and the pans come out perfectly. I also live alone, so if I didn't put the utensils and pans in I'd never run the dishwasher.
I appreciate enzyme detergent, have my hot water heater at 140 and make sure the detergent is fresh, as time and moisture can reduce its cleaning capacity.
I use heated dry because on some BOL models that means the heaters in on during washing as well.
The sani temp feature keeps the machine running until the water reaches a prescirbed temperature, so in essence it washes longer.
I want the finest outcome from anything I do, so I spend what ever extra cents might contribute to a better finished result.
Even if the pans don't come totally clean there's less to wash and it picks off more easily after a trip through the machine.
I am shocked and blown away with what a dishwasher will clean, given a chance.
Kelly
I didn't put pans in the dishwasher because:
Aluminum clad bottoms on Farberware discolored
Plastic Handle lost the glossy finish
Sos keeps the world looking new
Too many kids, too many dishes to have room
My kids were all home in the fall. My daughter watched me load the dishwasher and was shocked. She said I never would have allowed it when they were kids.
I have new cookware with metal handles and copper bottoms. The machine keeps the copper shiny and and the pans come out perfectly. I also live alone, so if I didn't put the utensils and pans in I'd never run the dishwasher.
I appreciate enzyme detergent, have my hot water heater at 140 and make sure the detergent is fresh, as time and moisture can reduce its cleaning capacity.
I use heated dry because on some BOL models that means the heaters in on during washing as well.
The sani temp feature keeps the machine running until the water reaches a prescirbed temperature, so in essence it washes longer.
I want the finest outcome from anything I do, so I spend what ever extra cents might contribute to a better finished result.
Even if the pans don't come totally clean there's less to wash and it picks off more easily after a trip through the machine.
I am shocked and blown away with what a dishwasher will clean, given a chance.
Kelly
Other than cast iron which I seldom use everything else goes in that will fit. Even my old aluminum Presto pc and it doesn't seem to be the worse for wear, just looks dull.
Bobby......
I ram everything in the KitchenAid.
It ruins my delicate skin.
Everything Bobby? Are all your 'toys' rated dishwasher-safe????
I ram everything in the KitchenAid.
It ruins my delicate skin.
Everything Bobby? Are all your 'toys' rated dishwasher-safe????
See now, I'd have one DW for my pots, pans cutlery, glassware and dishes, amd another for the "other"
A/C filters
pots for plants
chadelier pieces
dog and cat dishes
thrift shop and bazaar finds (as a step befpore the "clean" item DW)
humidifer and dehumidifier parts
washer parts (filter-flo pans, dsipensers)
refigerator pieces (drawers, racks bins)
stove parts
range-hood parts
glassware, vases
A/C filters
pots for plants
chadelier pieces
dog and cat dishes
thrift shop and bazaar finds (as a step befpore the "clean" item DW)
humidifer and dehumidifier parts
washer parts (filter-flo pans, dsipensers)
refigerator pieces (drawers, racks bins)
stove parts
range-hood parts
glassware, vases
brettsomers
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seems like in my Maytag DW, if i use the heat boost feature during the wash, the dishes are soo hot they dry without the heater. and hardly any spots. always have your rinse-aid dispenser filled, though. ive washed silverstone finishes many times with no problems, though the silverstone seems to wind up slightly water spotted.
bobbyderegis
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GadgetGary,
Do we need to run your mind thru a sani-cycle, too? LOL
Bobby in Boston
Do we need to run your mind thru a sani-cycle, too? LOL
Bobby in Boston
At home, we throw everything we have in a GE Triton XL. It washes whatever we throw at it. My mom's a prerinser, but when i'm home, things go "as is." We have stoneware dishes, stainless steel silverware, glasses, mugs, knives with wooden handles and TFal pots and pans with stainless and non-stick interiors. All that is just tossed in the machine. In addition, we'll throw in kitchen sink mats, jar openers, the filter from our Powerfin Maytag agitator, and basically anything else water-safe.
The machine has a CleanSensor that continually monitors the water, so we rarely use any cycle other than Normal or Pots & Pans. On occasions we use the nice dinnerware, i'll use the China/Crystal cycle.
For soap we've been using Cascade ActionPacks. They're these gelletin filled packs with cascade powder and dawn liquid inside [no suds formula obviously].
Pots and Pans on the XL does a PreWash and 0-3 preRinses, Main Wash, then three final rinses.
Normal does from 0 to 3 PreRinses, Main Wash and 2-3 final rinses.
the XL has Auto HotStart which heats the first fill to "optimum temp" whatever that means to GE. Norm and Pots cycle main washes are automatically heated to 140F, as well as Final rinses. if the Xtra Hot wash option is pressed, main wash and last rinse are heated in excess of 140F. China wash uses a 130F main wash, and nothing else is heated.
The XL has a huge 1/2 inch diameter CalRod heater, multi wattage to heat water super fast, and to dry dishes gently.
I tested this by putting cold water in the first fill, and the machine ran for 15min, and the water was all steamy after that.
Heated Dry is always used.
To sum up, anything that's water-safe gets run through the beast.
The machine has a CleanSensor that continually monitors the water, so we rarely use any cycle other than Normal or Pots & Pans. On occasions we use the nice dinnerware, i'll use the China/Crystal cycle.
For soap we've been using Cascade ActionPacks. They're these gelletin filled packs with cascade powder and dawn liquid inside [no suds formula obviously].
Pots and Pans on the XL does a PreWash and 0-3 preRinses, Main Wash, then three final rinses.
Normal does from 0 to 3 PreRinses, Main Wash and 2-3 final rinses.
the XL has Auto HotStart which heats the first fill to "optimum temp" whatever that means to GE. Norm and Pots cycle main washes are automatically heated to 140F, as well as Final rinses. if the Xtra Hot wash option is pressed, main wash and last rinse are heated in excess of 140F. China wash uses a 130F main wash, and nothing else is heated.
The XL has a huge 1/2 inch diameter CalRod heater, multi wattage to heat water super fast, and to dry dishes gently.
I tested this by putting cold water in the first fill, and the machine ran for 15min, and the water was all steamy after that.
Heated Dry is always used.
To sum up, anything that's water-safe gets run through the beast.
I thought the temperatures were too low to affect the steel in knives also, but I've been told by reps. from Henkels and Wusthof that this is so because of repeated washings. Apparently when tempered carbon-steel knives are exposed to high DW temps repeatedly, according to them, this negatively affects the tempering of the steel. It's also not good for laminated wood handles.
It depends.
Most of the time, I load up the dishwasher with plates, glasses, cups, and bowls, and there's not enough room for pots and pans. I used to wash a small rice cooker (about 4 cup capacity) aluminum pot in the dishwasher - it did ok. Got a little grayed, but not pitted or warped. Now I'm using a bigger (and better) Aroma brand smart rice cooker (does great with brown rice. It has a nonstick finish and the instructions don't say it's DW-safe, so I wash it by hand. Doesn't take long with the non-stick finish and all.
Some things wash beter in a dishwasher. Such as backing sheets that I use as drip trays in the outdoor rotisserie, or as crumb catchers under the cat food bowls. Some things wash worse - I re-use disposable black plastic bowls that various frozen entrees (like chicken teriyaki rice bowl) come in, as cat food bowls. I've had a devil of time keeping them from inverting in the upper rack of the Bosch and filling with rinse water. And I wouldn't even try washing them in the old Hobart. So now I just put them in the sink, run some hot water and Joy into them, let them sit to loosen dried on bits of canned food, and then scrub them a bit with a brush. The cats don't need them to be "sanitized", lol.
Most of the time, I load up the dishwasher with plates, glasses, cups, and bowls, and there's not enough room for pots and pans. I used to wash a small rice cooker (about 4 cup capacity) aluminum pot in the dishwasher - it did ok. Got a little grayed, but not pitted or warped. Now I'm using a bigger (and better) Aroma brand smart rice cooker (does great with brown rice. It has a nonstick finish and the instructions don't say it's DW-safe, so I wash it by hand. Doesn't take long with the non-stick finish and all.
Some things wash beter in a dishwasher. Such as backing sheets that I use as drip trays in the outdoor rotisserie, or as crumb catchers under the cat food bowls. Some things wash worse - I re-use disposable black plastic bowls that various frozen entrees (like chicken teriyaki rice bowl) come in, as cat food bowls. I've had a devil of time keeping them from inverting in the upper rack of the Bosch and filling with rinse water. And I wouldn't even try washing them in the old Hobart. So now I just put them in the sink, run some hot water and Joy into them, let them sit to loosen dried on bits of canned food, and then scrub them a bit with a brush. The cats don't need them to be "sanitized", lol.
Since one tends to clean as one goes when cooking/baking pots and pans are normally washed after they are used. As I HATE Teflon, learned early in my housekeeping to simply rinse pots/pans out after use, then a quick scrub with a Brillo/SOS pad takes care of the rest.
My daily drivers pots and pans are mostly Wagnerware heavy alumium pans or vintage Reverware. Neither can go in the dishwasher.
L.
My daily drivers pots and pans are mostly Wagnerware heavy alumium pans or vintage Reverware. Neither can go in the dishwasher.
L.
GadgetGary, Do we need to run your mind thru a sani-cycle, t
Yes Bobby....Please...may I have another Sir?????
Make sure those 'toys' go thru the sani-cycle at the same time.....remember.....as in a prior post......conserving the 'juice'~!
Now that's living!
Yes Bobby....Please...may I have another Sir?????
Make sure those 'toys' go thru the sani-cycle at the same time.....remember.....as in a prior post......conserving the 'juice'~!
Now that's living!
veg-o-matic
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I stand corrected
As usual, I talked before I thinked.
Something I never put in the dishwasher is colored Pyrex. After a while it gets all faded.
veg with dishpan hands
As usual, I talked before I thinked.
Something I never put in the dishwasher is colored Pyrex. After a while it gets all faded.
veg with dishpan hands
The WP 8700 (portable) i use has been an extremely good cleaner.
It has washed everything well using mostly the normal cycle and hi-temp wash option.
It has been great at cleaning baked on and dried on foods. I would like to keep this machine going for as long as possible as this has the power-clean module and enameled tub. This machine sounds like "a hurricane in a box".
Too bad WP only makes one model now with that filter design. Oh well, GE would be one to consider in the future when that time comes.
It has washed everything well using mostly the normal cycle and hi-temp wash option.
It has been great at cleaning baked on and dried on foods. I would like to keep this machine going for as long as possible as this has the power-clean module and enameled tub. This machine sounds like "a hurricane in a box".
Too bad WP only makes one model now with that filter design. Oh well, GE would be one to consider in the future when that time comes.
