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Don't know if this will help

But, just helped out a friend with a older kenmore top loader that has been a workhorse for a family of four.

She started complaining about the machine smelling, we took the machine apart to see what was trapped between the inner and outer tubs. There was a nasty sludge build up! We were able to reach between the two tubs with cleaning rags, and get a lot out manually. What we couldn't reach... We decided to fill the machine with the hottest tap water we could get, and added two cups of washing soda, let soak 30 min, started a normal cycle, and in a couple of minutes of agitation, suds started to appear, guess the soda was breaking the residue detergent build up loose,and or saponification of residual oil was taking place. We repeated this, and now the washer is spotless inside and out. ( she is a liquid detergent user ) ( or she was )
I realize that you can't do this with your front loader, because it cant be filled, and allowed to soak, but see if its O.K use a heavy dose of washing soda to clean it.

Hope this helps
 
Think That Is The Same Principle Behind Tide

Along with other "washing machine cleaners" that are mainly oxygen bleach and alkaline substances such as washing soda.

Acid based dishwasher and washing machine cleaners are great for lime scale and other mineral build-up, but the crud that often comes from using mainly liquid detergents is another matter.
 
90 degree maintenance washes

If these are not helping I would say it's time to give up on the product or seriously cut back on dosage and see what results you get if you like the product so much?
I use the Persil liquid on bulky items but no more than two teaspoons depending on the item and it works great, but only on bulky items. I use powder for everything else.
As for cleaning I had the same problem after continued use of liquids and used the clean washer cycle three times to clear it out of the machine. I also noticed that the clean washer cycle did not use warm/hot water, so when it filled on the second & third cycle I added hot water manually and used Affresh tablets.
After switching to powder for daily use I tried the clean cycle about a month or so in and noticed there was little to no foam/residue in the wash basket. I also have soft water and that is what works for me.
Good Luck
 
Thanks Laundress, Stan and Roscoe62 you have been really helpful. Followed your advice and the drum is good as new no more suds or gunk. On the rinse cycles I see loads of water droplets now on the door glass and you don't get much if any foam! Why do these detergent manufacturers make these liquids knowingly that they are bad for washing machines? I shall use up the gel and wont buy it anymore. Maybe just use liquid but do a 60 degree wash afterwards for whites with oxygen bleach washing powder.
 
You could do as I do and use liquids for your newest, "best-est" coloured laundry, and use biological powders for everything else, especially whites. That way, the liquid detergent hasn't got the same chance of building up a residue.

My mum uses Ariel Bio powder and it foams up, especially with towels, even into the final rinse in her Bosch Exxcel.

I managed to buy Portuguese Persil Bio powder (made by Henkel). It foams up, but rinses quite cleanly. There seems to be a lack of zeolite which P&G uses in its detergents.
 
I don't know about anyone else, but I have never assumed that clean rinsing = better rinsing. I would be more worried if all rinses ran completely clear, because that would mean nothing was being rinsed out.

Your question about final clear rinsing is difficult, especially as fabric softeners reduce suds anyway so what looks clear might not be.

Do you mind me asking why you're so concerned about this? Personally, I'm with Matt - I'd rather have efficiently washed clothes with a little bit of residue (most of which evaporates during the drying process anyway) than filthy laundry with clear rinses.

Incidentally, I've been using Almat powder for ages now and that rinses out perfectly well. Here is a video of the final rinses on cottons 60

 
I'm in

No way trying to answer for Ben, but if you read his post # 29, he is saying that he has discovered a build up of detergent in his machine.
I supposes it's like washing dishes in a sink that never gets scrubbed out, and build up of detergent gunk forms, and you just kept washing dishes in the same sink over and over.

Since we can't see behind the perforated tub, without taking the machine apart, its hard to know when, or if there's a build up, until symptoms show up.
The ideal situation, is for clothes to be wash clean from a clean machine, AND to have a clear final second rinse. With no residue of anything.
At lest that's what I expect, and try to achieve.
Think this is what he is looking for as well ? Ben..
 
@ AquaCycle Laundry should have no residue left in the clothing after rinsing which is all I am trying to achieve. You may think im obsessive but I think I am perfectly normal in not wanting harsh chemicals next to my skin. I DO NOT use fabric softener and never have as I believe it ruins your machine and is bad for sensitive skin which I have. Its basically grease with a few perfumes and just a waste of money. I have solved the rinsing issue and now wont use the gels anymore. Properly rinsed clothes is important to me otherwise I come out in a hives rash unless you have ever experienced that its not very nice!!

@ Stan am glad you understand what I was trying to achieve though I thought it was quite clear personally.

Anyway problem solved and I wont be using gels or liquid-tabs anymore back to powder for me and just liquid for the best coloured clothing.
 
Nice video by the way and love your accent :-)

My accent? Urgh. Hate it. No matter what I say, I always sound common and/or stupid lol.

Fair point about the rinsing, Ben, I was just wondering if it was any particular experience that made you seek out a better rinsing detergent.

I've had no problems with Almat rinsing out. The colour tablets I'm using at the moment barely suds up at all during the main wash and as long as you dose the bio/non bio powder right, it rinses clearly by the second rinse.

Let us know how you get on :).

Chris
 
Chris

The OBA's were taken out of Bold gel a while ago, just before the Ariel stain remover pods were introduced if I remember correctly. A crafty ploy by P&G to get you to buy more products. And yes, I have to agree, Bold is not a great detergent any more.
 
The only Ariel liquid I have seen is not suitable for coloured clothes because it contains OBA's so I am told by an employee at Procter and Gamble.
 
@ PaulC my campaign against gels and oba's must have paid off then. I wrote to Procter and Gamble a year ago stating 'Could you not make a liquid without Optical Brighteners'. I personally believe OBAS should be banned as they have a negative impact on the environment and don't biodegrade in the sewer treatment plants. Things like phosphates should never of been banned in the first place whereas these OBAs should have. I have read this on The Ecologist web site so not made it up lol.
 
New Persil small & Mighty

New Persil small & Mighty
I Picked up a bottle in Asda tonight the number of wash's have increased from 54 to 60 but carry's a price tag of £13 per bottle. I love the new bottle and the wash ball is a trip down memory lane nice squashy ball like lever use to produce with the Persil micro liquid. the ball now has nodules on the bottom to pre-treat stains. perhaps Persil have done away with all this quick wash action nonsense too ??

Northernmary

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They had the new Persil bottles in Waitrose. They look quite cool but have shrunk down to 15, 25, 40 or 60 washes but the prices have gone up - surprise! The 40 wash bottle costs almost the same as the old 54 wash bottle while the 60 wash size at £13 is replacing the old 85 wash bottles that cost £15. Waitrose had both old and new bottles out so you could marvel at the price hikes and shrinking sizes.

I noticed they have finally put a pouring spout in the neck of the bottles - about time!
 
I have found that using free and clear detergents, the ones with no scents and for people with allergic reactions to regular detergents, rinses out much better. Tide I guess changed their formula earlier this year and rashes started again. Changed over to the free and clear lines and everything rinses out no suds at all. Just holding the cap under the water inlet after putting in the detergent is so different. It takes about a 2 minute period to get the cap clean with regular detergent but maybe 10-15 seconds with the clean and clear. I don't think this will make a buildup in the machine either.
Jon
 
Yorkshire accent

Not too commonly heard here in the states, I think. To my Amercan ear it defintitely sounds "British" to me, a bit more clipped than southern English, with a bit of a Scottish lilt to it. That's the best I can manage in terms of description. Doesn't sound common or stupid to me. It's all good. Love the cameo by the cat.
 
Rinsing detergents

Hi,

My very first post :)

I feel your pain in the rinsing issue :)

I have a feeling, modern washers are causing the problem, the amount of water in new machines is forever being reduced. Also I did hear using warm water is better for rinsing, but again new machines don't have this option.

Regarding detergents.

In my opinion, Persil beats Ariel hands down in terms of clean rinsing (which is a shame as I like Ariel). Ariel is FAR too foamy even if I strip the amount of detergent right back (I am in soft water though).

I tend to find most P&G detergents are more foamy than Lever.

I come across this video, it shows similar to your picture about there being loads of suds in the machine even with no clothes.

Hope it may help.



Thanks
 
Rinsing

After reading full thread, can see that I said exact same as MrX :/ - He is spot on though, in soft water P&G detergents Ariel/Bold Daz and Fairy (that I know of) are just FAR too sudsy. Wonder why this is?

Looks like I'm never going to be able to change from Persil :( (I like buying all the different detergents) But I have one of those nice shiny Samsung Eco Bubble machines, so don't want to enhance the suds issue.
 
Difference between liquid and powder

Hi,

For the UK market.

The difference between liquid and powder detergents, is that liquid DOES NOT contain any bleach, whereas ALL powders (except colour care/gentle/green eco versions) DO contain bleach.

Optical brighteners are in non colour care liquids, but not in colour care liquids. However, for some reason, they're starting to remove optical brighteners from all liquids now.
 
As far as I'm aware the only liquid that has removed OBA's is Bold, Bold gel has not had OBA's for some time but the liquitabs do. Ariel and Daz liquids still have OBA's as do the new ariel pods (apart from the colour varient obviously)
 

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