ariston4life
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What do u guys think of this, on one hand i think its a brilliant idea, on the other, the machine isnt much to look at
Cloud Connected Washer
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warmsecondrinse
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Ok..... As I've said before, I know my brain is wired differently from those of most people. That said, I don't get how this makes my life easier or smoother. In my corner of the universe the wash cycle I choose depends on the fabric composition, colour (and history of colourfastness), the type of dirt/stain on the clothes, the degree to which said dirt/stain has been ground in, etc.
The labels I saw mean nothing. "Sports wear" and "Everyday wear" tell me nothing. Or, am I supposed to spend *MY* time and energy figuring out how to program what those cycles might consist of?
"Reduce cognitive load"??? How, praytell, is that programming a lighter cognitive load than simply turning a dial to pushing buttons to get what I already know I want.
I mean.....seriously....why?
Jim
The labels I saw mean nothing. "Sports wear" and "Everyday wear" tell me nothing. Or, am I supposed to spend *MY* time and energy figuring out how to program what those cycles might consist of?
"Reduce cognitive load"??? How, praytell, is that programming a lighter cognitive load than simply turning a dial to pushing buttons to get what I already know I want.
I mean.....seriously....why?
Jim
Are they serious?
"Another example of Cloudwash’s simplicity is its washing presets. By giving people one-touch access to wash programs they use most frequently, the machine significantly reduces the cognitive load of starting a new, um, load. It does away with the need to do the mental computation on “hot,” “warm,” “cold,” or “permanent press” every time you dump clothes in. As Schulze puts it, “It’s the machine learning to speak in the language of people rather than people learning to speak in the language of machines.”"
"mental computation"? Really? Are we that effing dumb or too stupid to manage our time that we cannot figure out the difference between HOT WARM and COLD?
Yeeeesh. This is a crock and another example of imagination run amok. Big time. Sorry, but if you are that mentally challenged that you cannot figure out how to do basic household duties and find it too stressful to turn a knob, I suggest you sell everything and move into a long term care facility.
I'll pass.
"Another example of Cloudwash’s simplicity is its washing presets. By giving people one-touch access to wash programs they use most frequently, the machine significantly reduces the cognitive load of starting a new, um, load. It does away with the need to do the mental computation on “hot,” “warm,” “cold,” or “permanent press” every time you dump clothes in. As Schulze puts it, “It’s the machine learning to speak in the language of people rather than people learning to speak in the language of machines.”"
"mental computation"? Really? Are we that effing dumb or too stupid to manage our time that we cannot figure out the difference between HOT WARM and COLD?
Yeeeesh. This is a crock and another example of imagination run amok. Big time. Sorry, but if you are that mentally challenged that you cannot figure out how to do basic household duties and find it too stressful to turn a knob, I suggest you sell everything and move into a long term care facility.
I'll pass.
Ummmm...
With all the security risks these days, whats to stop the government meddling with how you wash your clothes from the internet, or "reports" you to the Eco-Nazi-Police?
And whats to stop some scrupulous folk exploiting the software on these washers and causing some sort of house flood or catastrophic failure of the washer? We'd be locked into software-updates and "paying for security" like we have with Windows and Mac operating systems.
I don't like the sounds of this.
With all the security risks these days, whats to stop the government meddling with how you wash your clothes from the internet, or "reports" you to the Eco-Nazi-Police?
And whats to stop some scrupulous folk exploiting the software on these washers and causing some sort of house flood or catastrophic failure of the washer? We'd be locked into software-updates and "paying for security" like we have with Windows and Mac operating systems.
I don't like the sounds of this.
Think I will keep my appliances disconnected from the "cloud".
It's inevitable that appliances will be controlled via the internet. Kids two generations younger than me are born into a world controlled by their smart phones. They have no knowledge of a pre-internet existence. Anything not in the cloud will be incomprehensible to them.
I think it's funny that one day, in my retirement years, I'll be able to sit in my living room in Minnesota and hack into someone's appliances in Hawaii and make them do my bidding.
Growth market tip: Appliance cyber security software.
I think it's funny that one day, in my retirement years, I'll be able to sit in my living room in Minnesota and hack into someone's appliances in Hawaii and make them do my bidding.
Growth market tip: Appliance cyber security software.
arbilab
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China has already built the hack into all appliance firmware. They can program it to make you buy another one, or a whole new wardrobe, or both. There's already a lawsuit over it. I'm not making this up. (But maybe cross-zaggerating a little.)
I got to 68yo with clouds being what rain and tornadoes come from, so obviously 'cloud' as a marketing term is not something anyone 'needs'. It's not even defined; it means whatever the seller wants you to think it means.
Call me jurassic, but to me a 'smartphone' is the one I got free for subscribing to AT&T for 2 years 7 years ago. The clock part works great. The phone part, way less so. Takes me 20 minutes through the queue to reach ANYone then halfway through, the gawdam thing disconnects. Not SOME times, but MOST times. When it's working, it doesn't just drop words but entire paragraphs. The sunnamabitch is such a profound annoyance I seldom turn it on. I want THAT in my laundry loop? Let me sum up in one word: EXPLETIVE!.[this post was last edited: 5/23/2014-04:54]
I got to 68yo with clouds being what rain and tornadoes come from, so obviously 'cloud' as a marketing term is not something anyone 'needs'. It's not even defined; it means whatever the seller wants you to think it means.
Call me jurassic, but to me a 'smartphone' is the one I got free for subscribing to AT&T for 2 years 7 years ago. The clock part works great. The phone part, way less so. Takes me 20 minutes through the queue to reach ANYone then halfway through, the gawdam thing disconnects. Not SOME times, but MOST times. When it's working, it doesn't just drop words but entire paragraphs. The sunnamabitch is such a profound annoyance I seldom turn it on. I want THAT in my laundry loop? Let me sum up in one word: EXPLETIVE!.[this post was last edited: 5/23/2014-04:54]
It's quicker to turn on the washing machine with the dials and buttons on the machine than use a smartphone. I'm putting the laundry in anyway, so why bother using the phone?
ovrphil
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I concur - another hackable device, cheap electronics you can count on being implemented for durability and satisfaction(not) and another reason to explore why 90% of the brain isn't being fully utilized. Dumb down world evolving. I love gadgets, but ,
"Choose wisely, Grasshopper".
"Choose wisely, Grasshopper".
Just one more thing that appliance companies are implementing to appeal to ignorance and laziness. Just like Tide Pods. They hold Think Tanks, not with mature people with experience and common sense, but with lazy college age kids whose parents did all their laundry and dishes, which results in the unified response: "We just don't want to have to think about it." I don't know when the world became in such a rush that you can't take 5 seconds to measure a scoop/cup of detergent, or another 5 seconds to select a cycle, water level, and temperature. I'm 22 years old and even I'm disgusted with the way technology is going. Millions of dollars going into this crap, and yet we have hospitals still using 15 year old operating systems and computers. Ignorance.
I plan to have older, REAL appliances until it's literally impossible to use them anymore. My 2010 WP agitator washer, and '13 Maytag dishwasher will be the newest appliances I'll ever own, and I only bought them because they're built on platforms that are 10 years old now, just with updated aesthetics. If they fizz out, I'll be on the hunt for PowerCleans and KitchenAid direct-drives and Lady Kenmores.
I plan to have older, REAL appliances until it's literally impossible to use them anymore. My 2010 WP agitator washer, and '13 Maytag dishwasher will be the newest appliances I'll ever own, and I only bought them because they're built on platforms that are 10 years old now, just with updated aesthetics. If they fizz out, I'll be on the hunt for PowerCleans and KitchenAid direct-drives and Lady Kenmores.
I think it's a daft idea. It doesn't make it any easier to use, and it will (at least initially) be a higher cost I would guess. I don't see any benefit. I want my machine to wash, rinse and spin clothes, not tell me about it by phone or post it on facebook or the like.
I think that this is another perfect product for the connected generation. Everything is now expressed through electronic mediums and social/technological interconnectivity is the most effective way to be disconnected from reality and the mundane.
I don't understand the new cycle selections either. It all appears to be geared towards and an expression of peoples' life-style choices. Instead of sorting your linen, cotton, blends and colorfast items from your darks, non-colorfast and delicates, you now choose programs according to your daily activities - e.g. day clothes, sports clothes, germy clothes and it even orders you detergen for you. No critical thinking required. Just dump it in and away you go, no laundry knowledge required, it's now done by the cloud. Soon we'll all be living in the cloud. Clouds are white, soft and fluffy, but I don't think that most peoples' laundry is.
I don't understand the new cycle selections either. It all appears to be geared towards and an expression of peoples' life-style choices. Instead of sorting your linen, cotton, blends and colorfast items from your darks, non-colorfast and delicates, you now choose programs according to your daily activities - e.g. day clothes, sports clothes, germy clothes and it even orders you detergen for you. No critical thinking required. Just dump it in and away you go, no laundry knowledge required, it's now done by the cloud. Soon we'll all be living in the cloud. Clouds are white, soft and fluffy, but I don't think that most peoples' laundry is.
Agreeed
It seriously does not require more than a moment's thought to sort White from bright from dark, dirty from clean (smelly/not smelly) and things that really shouldn't be washed with one-another (Bed-linens, wash-cloths, towels, nappies etc.)
As stated above, provided you have an adequate detergent arsenal (maybe not a collection) and appropriate additives, just choose one, make a measurement with the measuring scoop provided, dial in a cycle and temperature and AWAY you go!
Since when was that all too hard?
It only takes a moment of your day, and it has to be done. Letting "The Cloud" control your washer still doesn't stop you have to put the clothes in, or perhaps sort them. You still have to choose detergent, too.
First world problems, right here, right now. How pathetic.
People in 3rd World countries are worried about losing their scholars to 1st world countries. WELL, when they get here, we'll lose them and everyone else to technologies' tight grip.
It seriously does not require more than a moment's thought to sort White from bright from dark, dirty from clean (smelly/not smelly) and things that really shouldn't be washed with one-another (Bed-linens, wash-cloths, towels, nappies etc.)
As stated above, provided you have an adequate detergent arsenal (maybe not a collection) and appropriate additives, just choose one, make a measurement with the measuring scoop provided, dial in a cycle and temperature and AWAY you go!
Since when was that all too hard?
It only takes a moment of your day, and it has to be done. Letting "The Cloud" control your washer still doesn't stop you have to put the clothes in, or perhaps sort them. You still have to choose detergent, too.
First world problems, right here, right now. How pathetic.
People in 3rd World countries are worried about losing their scholars to 1st world countries. WELL, when they get here, we'll lose them and everyone else to technologies' tight grip.
warmsecondrinse
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Thank you Rapunzel. You've made my point more clearly than I. I'm still stuck on one thing, though. How the F**K does one's "daily activities" have any bearing on how you clean your clothes??? If there is a red wine stain on my pants, how the stain got there or what I was doing at the time does not affect how I launder those pants.
To put this (lack of) thought another way: If I'm at my computer without my glasses I usually have to raise magnification to 500% to read the screen. It's like they're saying that the reason I don't have my glasses would somehow change the magnification I'd need. Ummmmmmm.... NO.
Or am I misunderstanding this whole concept? Putting aside the abject stupidity of the whole notion, how would this cloud connected washer 'know' what's needed to take out whatever stains are in the laundry? I'd really like to read the technical aspects of how this all would work.
@Abilab: It's time for a new phone. Do some research and pick one that meets your needs without also having a whole bunch of bells and whistles. I strongly suggest you NOT go into a store and listen to a sales person. S/he will just sell you whatever is in vogue at that particular moment. People laugh at my Blackberry 9930, but I have it because it meets MY needs:
1. E-mail... I can type way faster on my real keyboard than most i-sheep can on their touch screens.
2. Text messages... see above
3. Phone calls
4. It runs the one social media app that I used to use. Hint: Likely popular with most gentlemen here and it's name is a tool used to make coffee from whole beans ;-)
I can't imagine choosing a phone to express my lifestyle, much less a washer.
2. text message
To put this (lack of) thought another way: If I'm at my computer without my glasses I usually have to raise magnification to 500% to read the screen. It's like they're saying that the reason I don't have my glasses would somehow change the magnification I'd need. Ummmmmmm.... NO.
Or am I misunderstanding this whole concept? Putting aside the abject stupidity of the whole notion, how would this cloud connected washer 'know' what's needed to take out whatever stains are in the laundry? I'd really like to read the technical aspects of how this all would work.
@Abilab: It's time for a new phone. Do some research and pick one that meets your needs without also having a whole bunch of bells and whistles. I strongly suggest you NOT go into a store and listen to a sales person. S/he will just sell you whatever is in vogue at that particular moment. People laugh at my Blackberry 9930, but I have it because it meets MY needs:
1. E-mail... I can type way faster on my real keyboard than most i-sheep can on their touch screens.
2. Text messages... see above
3. Phone calls
4. It runs the one social media app that I used to use. Hint: Likely popular with most gentlemen here and it's name is a tool used to make coffee from whole beans ;-)
I can't imagine choosing a phone to express my lifestyle, much less a washer.
2. text message
This is the age where most products are almost identical clones under the skin. Here we have another extremely bland looking washer that does exactly the same that all the other extremely bland looking washers on the market do. I guess having a washing machine that you can talk to through your I-pad or phone creates that personal connection between the user and an otherwise boring product.
arbilab
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"I want my machine to wash, rinse and spin clothes, not tell me about it by phone or post it on facebook"
Priceless.
My cell is OK as a phone except voice quality is characteristically lousy. Seems AT&T has an outdated tower on this end of town. I've got as many bars as it's possible to have, the phone worked OK across the county even with fewer, but here it drops words, paragraphs, connections.
Brother always has the latest gizzwhizzy, his would phone at my last address but not data and at his home it would data but not phone. After all this time, cell remains a halfass technology no matter what you spend on it or how often.[this post was last edited: 5/24/2014-02:26]
Priceless.
My cell is OK as a phone except voice quality is characteristically lousy. Seems AT&T has an outdated tower on this end of town. I've got as many bars as it's possible to have, the phone worked OK across the county even with fewer, but here it drops words, paragraphs, connections.
Brother always has the latest gizzwhizzy, his would phone at my last address but not data and at his home it would data but not phone. After all this time, cell remains a halfass technology no matter what you spend on it or how often.[this post was last edited: 5/24/2014-02:26]
mrb627
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Well...
There are benefits to having a machine connected to the net. Perhaps in a grouped establishment like an apartment complex, or laundromat. Where machines being monitored from a remote location would be beneficial. Or maybe an assisted living setting.
And I kind of like the idea of an interface to initiate the replenishment of detergent at the machine. Our multifunctional device (photocopier) at work does this already today when toner or paper are low.
Malcolm
There are benefits to having a machine connected to the net. Perhaps in a grouped establishment like an apartment complex, or laundromat. Where machines being monitored from a remote location would be beneficial. Or maybe an assisted living setting.
And I kind of like the idea of an interface to initiate the replenishment of detergent at the machine. Our multifunctional device (photocopier) at work does this already today when toner or paper are low.
Malcolm
No. Just no. Coming from being a tech at Apple for 3 years, I'm absolutely disgusted by the fact that my own generation is under the ignorant belief that they're too good to do anything that can't be connected to/used with an app on their smartphone. Paper and toner are no comparison, because you're not required to put in a dose of powder and a sheet of paper for each job. Those supplies are kept in cartridges and trays that are relatively out of site, but are used frequently throughout the day. Not having a notification of low supplies would be as ridiculous as not having a fuel gauge on your car. But if people now are in such a hurry that they can't simply look in the box or bottle of detergent in the five seconds it takes to measure out a scoop, and if it's low or empty, simply go to the store and buy more, there's something terribly wrong. All it takes is for companies to appeal to the lazy, carefree demographic, rather than the people who actually care how our products work and deserve to have control of them, and they'll feed off that ignorance more than they do now, until we'll have washing machines with one button, a Start button, that will "make every choice intelligently" so that we don't have to "suffer the burden of decisions", and behind the closed door all the machine will do is spritz the clothes with water and glorified Febreeze "detergent" until they're damp and spin them, and those people who don't care to learn how to do laundry properly will be none the wiser because the manual tells them that they only have to throw clothes in and push the button. It will be the ones who genuinely care about how these machines work, and want them to work the way we want them to, that will suffer.
electron1100
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Gadgets
I am surprised no one has built a TV into the display on modern machines, it would certainly take the boredom out of watching the machine.
I am surprised no one has built a TV into the display on modern machines, it would certainly take the boredom out of watching the machine.
