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"People talking about stuff they can't know!"

People can know, but do they want to know? Especially when there is a lot of money involved and when everyone else is doing it (whatever it is). Humans are a bit like Lemmings when it comes to that pack mentality. If it seems like a good idea to jump off a cliff, because everyone else is doing it, there are enough more or less intelligent people who will jump without question. After all we are nothing more than hairless primates driven by instincts, impulses and hormones.
 
The only thing affected by microwaves are dippl-molecules (hope thats the right expression), in this case, the most common, water. Now, as we know (or at least me), radiated material (even if microwaves would be something closley like radioactiv radiation) does not turn into a radiator it self. So the water would need vibrate so violently to collide with other particles that hard that it chances their structure. And this would need to happen in such an incident that de get a cancer affecting substance that is invisible and not recognizable at all.
And on the topic of Internet security: Everything is hackable. But who would do the still hard work?
 
I think the most threatening issue here is "choice". There are too many cases in life where we are forced into things just because the government mandates it, or because the majority of others do it. The underlying truth is that 90% of the population couldn't give less of a care how their appliances work or how to use them properly, because they see *chores* as exactly that: unpleasant work that takes away from their free time. But to us, if anyone here is like me, the time to do laundry and dishes, and really anything that requires using a complex machine, is exciting because you get watch the amazing engineering that was put into making a washing machine perform so many different movements and tasks completely on its own, or creating the hurricane (or water sprinkler, if that's the kind of machine you prefer) that happens behind the sealed door of a dishwasher. Making the control panel of a washing machine as simple as possible, with a start button and barely more, and requiring that the more complex settings be done on a separate device may be fine for most people, but to me the panel is what gives the machine character, and makes it more exciting than just a boring white cabinet. I would be perfectly fine with HE machines that use a teaspoon of cold water, and have internet connection, and allow control from a mobile device, IF I had the OPTION of choosing whether I want to use those things or not. If I want the machine to do a deep wash and rinse, filling to the top of the basket, and use true hot water, and completely disable any connection to anything besides water and power, and still have a control board with every option and knob/button available, I as a paying consumer should have the control to do so. If I want to pay for the extra energy/water bill because of it, that's my business. That just isn't the case these days though, because a person has to jump through hoops in the form of tweaking (or rather having to break) something in the mechanics, or removing restrictor valves, or tricking the machine in some way just to get the results we need, all because that 90% of common society bought those machines because they were state-of-the-art and shiny, not caring how well it works or performs, and the manufacturers decide that because everyone "jumped off that cliff", it might as well be the new standard trend, and that there is no point in spending money on other alternatives for the minority that complained about the new product.

Point of the rant: New and innovative is fine in my book, but only if I have the choice to continue to do things the "old" way, and in my own time try the new way and decide whether or not it really is for the better.
 
And as far has hacking, anything connected to your home's network becomes a potential gateway, no matter how insignificant. Phones, tablets, computers, TVs, printers, even a clock-radio with WiFi. There was an article not long ago about the Nest thermostat containing the same vulnerable bug that was associated with the Heartbleed virus. I mean, it's just a thermostat right? But it's connected to everything else your network touches, it only takes someone smart enough to know how to use those bridges. A computer, regardless of how small or what appliance it's in, is still a computer.

http://www.wired.com/2014/04/heartbleed_embedded/
 
Be that as it may--I am keeping my appliances for the most part off the "cloud"Just too much that could possibly happen.
Microwaves---they are part of the energy spectrum-radio frequency energy-your cell phone operates on a similar frequency as your microwave-they are far enough apart so they do not interfere.Radio frequency radiation is non inonizing-it does not alter cell structures.It causes heating by vibrating,or agitating the cells.Its like your doctor using a diathermy machine on you.Even lower frequency FM and TV frequencies do cause body or tissue heating.The higher bands of Short wave can cause it-after all some diathermy machines run at frequencies around 10Mhz.I repaired one of those once--its oscillator was simply two 6146 tubes in a push pull oscillator circuit.Put the probe on my arm-and felt it warming.Then turned it off.Don't think that diathermy machine would do well in cooking your food.By the way those popcorn popping videos on YouTube with cell phones are fake.A cell phone can't generate that kind of power.If it did would not meet safety regs.You would not be able to use it without burns.
 
I agree with Malcom. Just, no. All the items on his list:

1) atm cards
2) automatic washers
3) mobile phones
4) automatic dishwashers
5) automatic transmissions
6) microwave ovens

have enabled us to do chores more quickly, more efficiently, or with less effort. If not for all of us, then they do for at least a sizable portion of the population.

Call me a Luddite, but I just don't see how a cloud connected washer does this.

On the flip side, if a cloud connected washer actually DOES make doing laundry easier of a sizable portion of the population, then I'm kind of forced to conclude that the average person has fewer properly firing neurons I'd thought.....and trust me, that wasn't very many to begin with.

I know I don't have the normal amount of sheeple genes; maybe that's why I just don't get this?
 
"non-ionizing radiation" propaganda ...

According to the World Health Organization:

"Up to 10% of invasive cancers are related to radiation exposure, including both ionizing radiation and non-ionizing radiation. Additionally, the vast majority of non-invasive cancers are non-melanoma skin cancers caused by non-ionizing ultraviolet radiation."
 
Thats true...

... but you are hit by UV-light each and every second. But UV-light has a way different wave length, thus, has more energy. And you are directly radiated. You don't take a magnetron out of a microwave and power it up beside you hours and hours. People working with radio equipment are a cancer risk group. But if a microwave would leak its radiation, it would not be allowed to be sold. And as long you don't get exposed to radiation, there is simply no danger at all.
 
"There is simply no danger at all" ...

That's what they said about iridium back in the '20s.

And lobotomies in the '30s.

And asbestos in the '40s.

And DDT in the '50s (children frolicked in clouds of the stuff!)

And Thalidomide in the '60s.

And hydrogenated oils in the '70s.

And Thimerosol in the '80s.

And Vioxx in the '90s.

And what they're telling us (in America) about fluoride in the water today.
 
I have to agree on the privacy issue

Heck, already big brother knows not only when you drop a duke, but how much and what kind of potty paper you use.

Simply put, there is no need to put laundry in the cloud unless of course one is referring cloud soft drying or something like that. :)
 
In this case, I imagine that the theory is that you cannot be caused undue harm from microwave-waves. 

Here is something I pulled off Google: http://www.darvill.clara.net/emag/emagmicro.htm

You should be CAREFUL around a microwave - God only knows how cheap the "Anti-Wave" stuff they employ to stop the microwaves escaping are, and how effective, if at all, they are. 

Included as well is the EM-Spectrum from Wikipedia, just so we're all sure to be on the same wave-length!

(Oh, thats punny...)

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Yes ...

"Have there been any officially connected causes of cancer linked to microwave ofens? Has the number cancer cases increased after the microwave ofen became popular?"

Actually, yes.
 
I Might Add:

Years ago, someone had the "bright idea" of placing a Mobile-Phone tower smack-bang amongst several businesses in our community. 

 

Since then, at least 6 people from those businesses, including someone from my own family, have developed Breast Cancers. I believe the male affected might have had either a Lung or Brain cancer. However, I'm not too sure on that one. 

 

So I am somewhat skeptical of how 'safe' mobile towers really are. Of course, other lifestyle factors can influence, and I'd imagine the occurrences of this would probably be Normally Distributed - given such few people have been affected. 

 

HOWEVER - we have been very disappointed with the surveyors conclusion that the tower poses "No Risk" to the well-being of people working right underneath the thing, five days a week, six hours a day - when there have CLEARLY been several cases of people working there AND developing carcinomas. 

Not happy, Jan!
 
I've been writing stories on EMF and health ...

... and frankly, the more I research, the more alarming the evidence I'm finding.

And it's not just microwaves, but "dirty electricty" as well.

Keep in mind that it's extremely difficult to "officially" connect ANY cancer cases to ANYTHING, short of smoking and lung cancer (and even then, it's never a proven thing, it's just a correlation, which of course never proves causation).
 
@NYCWriter

The sad reality is that wiring errors in buildings like standing neutral to ground faults and crossed neutrals easily produce magnetic fields higher than powerlines and running appliances. In the US most circuits are not RCD protected at the panel, so these wiring errors go undetected.

@gelaundry4ever: I'll pass as well. When I saw twittering laundry that was enough for me:

http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~mhirsch/twitter_laundry/index.html
 
Reply #9 #17 #32 & #33

This is why I wouldn’t loose too much sleep if I woke up and it suddenly was 1965 all over again. There’s no real choice in anything anymore, all cars are basically the same these days and is the same as appliances as well. It’s safe to say there’s a virtual monopoly on cars, appliances, and electronics since there’s no distinction from the competition anymore since it’s just another copy from another company.

I may be apart of Gen Z but I don’t fall for the latest and greatest technology, reason why companies use the term “technology” is it’s nothing more than marketing. People will think it’s new when in reality it’s something that’s been rehashed from a few years ago to make people think it’s new when in reality it’s not.
 
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