Colston Ariston Automatic Wash and Tumble Dry 850 XD

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No worries Austin. Believe me I would prefer to keep it easy but no chance with this, that's why I went to the motor rewind place as I know they could do a good job easily!

Yes the quartz boards would be great. Both quartz machines are parked in a new shed I had to get to hide the machines while the house was on sale. Should be moving out of here in January so once I'm in the new place I'll have to have another go at them so the boards could help if you are happy to hang in for a bit longer. Will keep you posted

S :)
 
Fluff filter..

was not used if you had a vent hose fitted as it was not meant to be dragged in and out so any fluff was just blown outside the filter screen only required if drying with no hose.

 

Austin
 
How do modern washer dryers deal with lint?

Is it just washed out during the wash cycle and ends up being pumped out ?

I know most pumps would be pretty unaffected by lint. In general the filters on most machines are really just traps to prevent large coins, buttons or other debris that is too big for the impeller from getting into the pump.

I wonder if the 850XD had such a complex drain filter because of all the lint generated by the dryer?

That's the drain filter below.

I'm not sure what the square thing is though. I don't remember that.

 
I found the vent kit!

Here's the vent kit for the machine.

It's a standard dryer hose with an adaptor that fits into the filter bracket.

Apparently the door interlock was another regular failure point as was the door catch, which was subsequently replaced with a metal one which can be retrofitted to the original machines without any issue.

 
They were made by : Riber = <span style="text-decoration: underline;">RI</span>ccardo <span style="text-decoration: underline;">BER</span>tolino

 

The company seems to have just disappeared out of the mainstream market for laundry appliances in the late 1970s.

I think there was a lot of consolidation around then though and quite a large number of smaller European white goods companies just disappeared entirely.

 

Usually when a company's doing 'white label' products for other brands, it's a sign that it's not doing so well at marketing its own products and don't have the economies of scale. If you consider the Antonio Merloni machines etc.. those companies didn't really make enough money because they didn't have full control of the marketing and were competing with other companies that do similar white-label machines for rebagging. In Europe, they were up against Turkish companies like Arçelik (yes, they really care called that and thankfully have the good sense to be called BEKO in most markets!) and Chinese manufactures.

 

It looks like Riber put a lot of development into that series of washer-dryers though. They were excellent machines for that era. I would suspect when the washer-dryer concept went more main-stream, you just saw the major brands taking over entirely in the 1980s. So, all of a sudden there were Hotpoints, Hoovers, Indesits, Aristons etc in their respective major markets and Riber and it's re-badgers no longer had that niche all to themselves and just fizzled out.

 

It looks like Indesit and Ariston had some connection to that 850XD family of machines too and were definitely selling them at one stage or derivatives of them.

 

I wonder did they just buy the manufacturing plant and IP from Riber and use it as a basis for their own machines?

 

Coleston actually collapsed in 1964, so any use of the name after that was by other companies anyway.

So, it looks like Ariston which had taken over the Coleston brand by the late 1970s was using it to sell washer dryers it was bringing in from Riber, which it may have owned by then too.

 

I have no idea what the Thor brand was here in Ireland though. It was quite commonly seen in the late 70s and early 80s on a lot of products and it doesn't seem to be anything to do with the current incarnation of Thor which is a budget brand.

 

The old range included stuff like the 850XD and 950XD. I've seen the brand on pretty high quality cooker hoods and other items like that from that era too.

 

Motor wiring :

 

That wiring actually looks heat damaged rather than just old.

 

I notice that the fan blades appear to have a crack near the rotor shaft. Is that still attached firmly? That could be why the wires are brittle - the motor may have been overheating for years.

 

Late 1970s wiring sheathing would have been pretty similar to modern insulation. It's unlikely it should have just become brittle like that age. I would suspect that motor ran quite hot during the spin cycles.

 

There are a few specialist motor rewind companies around who could probably take it apart and completely rebuild it for you but, it would be quite pricy.

 

In reality, that's not very different to a small industrial motor and quite unlike brush motors normally associated with domestic washing machines of that era.

 

I would guess that if they were buying motors from Romania in those days, they were probably getting very high spec, much, much cheaper than they'd have been able to buy in Italy.

 

I'm guessing from the stamp, that machine's from about 1981. The motor looks to be stamped with 11 80.. Assume that could be November 1980.

 

Final tip:

 

ASBESTOS WARNING

 

That pinkish panel over the fan/heater assembly for the dryer is quite possible that it could be asbestos. I would be VERY wary of disturbing that too much as it could be brittle.

It's the one thing that would put me off getting too up close and personal with some appliances of that era.

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This is its slightly older 1974 washer-only predecessor

OMG! I didn't remember to have picked up such rare machine :D and I got early rid of it giving to another washers lover (rikbio77)

CIAO!
 
@MrX

Just a couple of points on your last post.

Firstly, as far as is known Colston did NOT go under in 1964, you are confusing it with Rolls who primarily manufactured twin tubs although they also did sell Colston dishwashers under the Rolls name.

The name Colston appears to have emerged in the very late 1950s - a Colston dishwasher appeared in the Which December 1960 report. I have often wondered if there is any relationship with the 1950s Hoover MD (NOT Sir Charles who basically set up Hoover in the 1920) and indeed if the dishwasher could have been a design that Hoover had been developing but dropped. THIS IS JUST MY SPECULATION, AND I MAY BE MAKING 2+2 = 5.

Anyway, Rolls emerged about the same time, into the burgeoning UK twin tub market. Initially they imported these from Holland but shortly began manufacturing them here in the UK. They bought the motors for these machine from a company called Bylock whom they took over in late 1963. Bylock first appeared in the 1930s manufacturing hair dryers but they expanded after WW2 into vacuum cleaners & polishers - the vacuum cleaners, initially, where based on designs from the US Apex company. I believe that there was also a Bylock twin tub which presumably was a Rolls design. When Rolls went bust in 1964 they took Bylock with them.

After Rolls went bust the manufacturing facility was taken over by a company called Tallent, who had a relationship with Rolls as one of their suppliers (from memory) and the machines continued to be produced under a variety of well known names (including English Electric, Goblin, HMV and many others) before being consolidated (and restyled) under the Colston name. During this period Colston increased their range to include a more "squared off" counter-top model and a floor standing machine although these were fundamentally the same machine as the older model under the skin.

And so it continued into the 1970s with the addition of the automatic washer & washer/dryer and also a more conventional (12 place) floor standing dishwasher. Steve's washer drier above must be a later one as it is branded Colston Ariston (so post Ariston takeover), I think I have also seen these branded as Colston only.

It was in the early 1980s (maybe even 1980) that Colston were taken over by Ariston, God knows why as their dishwashers had disappeared in the mid 1970s and the twin tubs were certainly very long in the tooth, in a market that was (and had been for several years) shrinking rapidly. They even brought out a single tub and spin drier (fair enough based on the old technology) at the end of the 1970s when this market was even smaller. Initially branded as Colston-Ariston the Colston name was soon dropped and shortly after that the whole lot disappeared for ever - by my reckoning about 1982 or so.

And a final note, this time on the Thor. I had a Philips branded washer drier purchased (new) in around 1984 or maybe early 1985 which was similar to the Thor 950. This seems to have been a development of 850 (so maybe manufactured by Riber) which vented out the back - mine did have a vent hose. It had one curious thing about it in that there was a little L shaped hose which drained out the door boot into the (outer) wash drum. A gimmick for, which a very short time, with all the movement & vibration it had split sending waster all over the place.

I have an ad for the 950 which I recorded on RTE back when you were still in your pram which I will try and get onto YouTube this weekend

Al
 
Hi steven and everyone.

I am playing catch up again, so sorry for the delay in replying.

Al mentioned that I picked one up earlier this year indeed I did and I was hoping that it would be a mechanical failure or rusted to hell, so that I could justify parting it out for spares.

Unfortunately, barring the obligatory rustiness behind the powder drawer, its in fine condition. Indeed its fault was that the pulley had worked loose, had wobbled and the belt had come off.
Seeing that the belt was adrift, as myself and its original owner put it in the car, I did check if he wanted to repair it, but he said nope and I handed him a tenner and drove off.
The instruction manual thread that you linked to Steven, was the seller whom I acquired my version1 850XD from.

So, frustratingly I can't offer spare parts from it, as it is now fully operational again.
If you ant any photos taking of its internals to act as a rebuild guide for yours, then just let me know.

Piccy of the version1 COLSTON 850XD below, sat in my garage with some friends....

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and here is the version2 850XD that we have - version2 as it is branded COLSTON ARISTON, picked up from Blackpool a couple of years ago ....

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then we move to pure ARISTON branding, in the form of the 950XD with additional button.

This machine is model number 2559, whilst the original 850XD was model 2558....

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Al mentioned that he had a Philips branded machine, that was derived from the Colston.
That machine will probably have been the PHILIPS AWB089 Washer-Dryer, that was available circa 1984.

Subtle tweaks, nips and tucks, but its filter cover is the give away ....

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The 850XD is a great machine and interesting to watch with, as mentioned in the thread, its up and down spin cycles.

Fingers crossed you get it going again steven.

Regards
Paul

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Update

After getting back from the rellies I had a bit of time today to work off some of the Christmas overeating and tackle the motor. I wasn't looking forward to it but it turned out to be much easier than I expected. I followed Mathew's instructions and didn't need to remove the coil. I used spare wiring from some Hoovermatic parts I have and used some heat shrink tubing and solder. Here's a pic of the wiring released before I renewed the wires

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Here's a pic of the repair. I joined onto the old spade connectors for the time being as wanted to make sure the repair worked before I do this.

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The motor fan does have a crack but is firmly attached to the shaft so should be ok. I popped it back into the machine and did a test. The drum would only rotate clockwise and wouldn't spin either which turned out to be me mixing up two connections. It was difficult to see which colour was which on two of the old wires when I was replacing them as they had discoloured.

Have done a quick test spin and it works a treat doing the on off spin thing for the first few minutes before a constant spin. Will do a full test wash tomorrow and hopefully some videos too. :)

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