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Has anyone had problems with MAL-WARE/TROJAN viruses? We have had two since July infect our computer with a repair cost of $400.00 ($200.00 a pop each time by Geeksquad). We have Trend Micro as the antivirus protection. I was told by my internet carrier (Windstream) that McAfee was better as it actually captures the virsus before it infects the computer then notifies me. Trends notified me after the fact and the damage is done. My antivirus program updates itself every hour.

I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks!
David
 
Has anyone had problems with MAL-WARE/TROJAN viruses?

Yep, but virtually anyone with a PC has dealt with them at some time or another. I also had Trend Micro for several years and got tired of if letting viruses sneak through the software. I purchased Kaspersky earlier this year as it was rated #1 as a virus software (and highly rated for Malware/Spyware) and haven't had a problem yet. It's nice not having to format and install windows every 3-5 months.
 
David, what you were told about McAfee is moreless correct. That software, or Symantec, or (my favorite) Avira should help protect you from reinfection.

I said moreless correct, because whether a computer continues to get infected depends on what is being done with it, rather than what antivirus software is run on it. What I mean is, today a certain set of rules has to be followed to avoid virus infection, e.g.

1. Set email software to read mail in plain text only (no HTML email!).

2. Never open email attachments unless you're sure of what they are and where they came from.

3. Steer clear of peer-to-peer file transfers, downloads of pirated software, cracks, porn sites etc.

For people who follow these rules, any of these better antivirus packages will protect them, but those who don't follow them will sooner or later get infected again, regardless of what antivirus software they run.
 
Jeff:

Avira is a WONDERFUL spyware and malware remover. It's been the ONLY anti-virus program that I've had on all my desktops. I recently took AVG off of my laptop and installed Avira.

Two other programs that are good are SpyBot and Ad-Ware.
 
David,

For what it's worth, my thoughts:
1)Avira commercial packet (not that expensive) is about as good as it gets for protection.
2)Spybot is very memory intensive, if you have the RAM for it, however, it can stop many worms before their signatures are recognized, their heuristics are good. Just, if you're running XP, go up to at least 2G, if Vista go for the maxium 4G, Windows 7 you should be ok with 2G but 4G won't hurt. Yes, Windows 7 is less memory intensive than Vista was.
3)CCleaner is very good at finding icky stuff in the registry you'd never expect and fixing it without damaging anything. Always take the program up on the offer to make a backup first, only takes a few seconds.

Now, McAffe has some very good virus clean-up tools, their regular anti-virals don't however, test better than Avira and you have to invest some time in learning how to work with it. My dad swears by it.

Here's some general hygiene steps which will always help:

1)Print a copy of Jeff's post above and put it on each desk, next to the keyboard. Good advice.
2)Are your firewalls working? Windows gets better from month to month, but a really good firmware firewall built into a router is still your first line of defense.
3)Does every single computer in your office simply have to go online/access email? Could you set things up so that only one computer accesses the internet/email and then, after virus checks, the others get the files? Any modern server or even dedicated router can set up such a topography.
4)Worms are notoriously hard to lose. You probably have the source code for them in archived files. You're either going to have to be consequent or keep getting re-infected.
5)Operating Systems.

Here are the advantages/disadvantages of the three most common OS:

a)Windows
Advantages: Compatible to everything, just works.
Disadvantages: Most targeted OS for viruses and worms, hardest to protect because NT was not designed by a paranoid schizo, but by a love-in, trusting beatnik.

b)MacOS
Advantages: Relatively safe. Plays well with other systems. Easy to learn, easy to set up. Beautiful design
Disadvantages: There have been several successful attacks on the system over the last few months as enough hackers have figured out the few weak spots and take enormous pleasure in pricking the "we are immune" mentality of the MacOS community.
Very, enormously, expensive relative to Windows or Linux. As a monopoly, Apple can and will tell you when you must buy new hardware and software and they do actually just go in and turn off software at will on user's devices when it suits them.

If you can afford to replace your entire system every few years and your staff aren't in a position to learn Windows security or Linux OS, MacOS is a very, very good choice. You are, however, at the beck and call of Apple and they determine what you may buy and when you must buy it.

C)Linux (Ubuntu, for instance)
Advantages: Safe as MacOS, cheap (you'll pay for support, worth it), flexible, easy to customize to your needs. Runs on Windows machines with no problems, at all. Ever.
Stabil, fast, plays well with others, supports older and newest hardware and software, hard to break and easy to fix.
Disadvantage: Really tough learning curve. Of all the Unix group, the hardest to learn. Only disadvantage.*

If you have money to burn, go with MacOS. If you have no money but need security and can afford the training time, go with linux. Otherwise, follow Jeff's advice and my one or two suggestions and it will get better. I backup regularly, by the way...as in, every night at 3.00a.m.

*I don't understand why the Linux community hasn't tried harder to make their user interface as friendly and easy to learn as MacOS is. (AT&T UNIX begat BSD, BSD begat MacOS X, no I did not say MacOS was Linux, but let's not pretend it sprang from Steve Job's head fully formed, either...it's Unix made pretty.)
 
Thanks for the advice everyone!

Panthera,

This is a laptop we have at home and is linked with a wireless router. This is not an office set-up. Home use only.

JeffG,

I changed the setting on my Email from HTML to Plain text. I have also told my wife and extended family members to be careful what they open.

Once again everyone thank you very, very much for the information!
 
We used Norton Anti-Virus for years with no problems buy about 2006 or so it became a real resource hog. We switched to McAfee. We were not happy with McAfee because when it updates automatically it really slows your computer down until it finishes. This would take 10-15 minutes to clear.

We went with Kasperski for a year, and while it worked great (it's actually pretty small and doesn't weigh down your system) it would constantly notify you of everything every few minutes. A lot of times, the messages were meant for a computer geek not your casual user.

Then we switched back to Norton 2009. We heard that Symantec redesigned the product so that it was not the resource hog it once was. We are happy with it. It does a good job, and does not slow your system down at all.

We use Ad-Aware to scan for spyware. We tried Spy-Bot, but as someone else noted it is a resource hog. Ad-Aware is not.

But you would still be freaked out by the number of people who use their computers with NO anti-virus or spyware programs at all. When their computer gets infected and doesn't work properly, they just go out and buy another computer!
 
Just my thoughts here. I would highly recommend Iolo Anti-virus. I use the system mechanic professional. It is amazing what it catches, and how much faster your computer operates. It really is not that expensive in the long run. I addition, I have Spybot, and Windows Defender. Ever since I added the system mechanic, though, it has been a huge difference.

Here is a link. I definitely recommended getting the professional version. I am sure you will not regret it.


Good luck!

Joel
 

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