Continental and United to Merge

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mrsalvo

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Waiting for the cry from Houston and Cleveland. Seriously, I've wondered for a long time how many of the airlines have managed to stay in business. If it wasn't for the bailouts after 911 we would have only 2 or 3 calling the shots. Somehow they all survived.
 
I don't know how this will play out, United employees are Union and Continental is not. It looks like a monopoly if you asked me.
Just think of what Greyhound has done, squeezed the life out of Trailways to a few companies and cut services and reduced drivers pay system wide for higher profits, but the consumer gets the shaft with less scheduals, extra crowded planes and increase ticket fares.

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Most of the idea behind the merger is to bring the Continental ftraditions to United. Service on United over the years has gotten pretty sloppy. Continental offers some of the best service in the industry. In two years the Continental management will take over United.
The planes will look like Continental planes, but with the United title.

Lots and lots of people in Houston are going to be VERY unhappy with this as a lot of the jobs will be transferred to Chicago.

Most of the people who work for Continental in Houston are Texans. They won't be happy with the cold weather AND all the taxes that Chicagoans get to pay, state tax, all kinds of fuel reimbursment charges by companies, city tax, etc. Here in Texas we pay on tax, Federal tax and that's about it.
 
As a faithful Continental customer who also flies United when needed, I was dreading this day of reckoning, out of fear that the United standard of service would permeate both airlines, as you can really see the difference.

When I visit NYC 2-3 times a year, I generally need to use LaGuardia Airport, which is strategically located close to both Manhattan's East Side and Westchester County, where most of the relatives I visit live. Although Continental has nonstops to Newark, and there is great train service to Penn Station, it's the wrong side of Manhattan from where I need to be, taxis are expensive, and there are no train connections to Westchester without going over to Grand Central Terminal. As a result, since Orange County/SNA is my primary airport, I use United, via Denver if possible, because that airport is VERY easy for connections, and with six runways, weather is less likely to impact it than say Chicago. Going via Houston is a bit of a dog leg route and adds to the itinerary time.

The nonstops to Newark tend to be overpriced (business crowd likes these, hence it drives up prices), except for the red-eye at 9:15 pm. On the last trip to NYC, I took the red-eye to Newark, and returned from LGA on United (codeshare, on a Continental ticket) via Denver.

On trips to Europe, however, Continental has been my favorite for years, thanks to its morning nonstop to Newark and then connections to c.30 European cities, all contained in Terminal C. Some people don't like flying narrow body 757s to Europe, but I don't mind. The planes are nicely tricked out with Video On Demand and power outlets at every seat, plus the forward Economy restroom means you can reach a restroom no matter where the serving cart is in the aisle. For me, perfectly tolerable for a seven hour flight.

I have friends in Cologne who took the flight from Cologne to Newark every year for a fall week in NYC until it was cancelled, they were quite distraught about it. It was a matter of pride for people in Cologne not to have to go to Frankfurt or Düsseldorf to fly to the USA. I took the flight in May 2006, one week after its inauguration.

Although a wider array of nonstop flights is available from LAX, the prices are often the same or higher (i.e. you pay for nonstop convenience), plus there is the cost of parking. Since I live 20 minutes from OC Airport, I can leave the car at home and usually rope a friend or neighbor into dropping me off, or take a shuttle.
 
While Continental has nice service have your tried Frontier Airlines? They fly from SAN-LGA via DEN. They have great service and 24 channels of direct TV onboard. They are considerably cheaper than UA & CO too. Similar to Airtran, they have several rows of seats that have 36" of pitch for a small additional charge. Kind of like Uniteds Economy plus, but with better service. I have non-reved on Frontier a few times and they certainly don't have the "disappearing" flight attendants. Those F/A's are constantly in the aisles doing things for you.
 
Mainly flew Continental or United to keep my miles in one of the three major alliances (before Continental joined Star Alliance). In addition, for those trying to redeem miles for free travel, Continental was WAY more liberal as far as seat availability, with United being one of the worst (along with Delta). Continental even allowed you to fly in a different class in each direction on a free ticket, so if you wanted to go to Europe in business class eastbound, but you could handle economy westbound, they'd charge you 25K (1/2 of economy R/T) and 50K (1/2 of biz class roundtrip) for a total of 75K miles....not bad when you consider Star Alliance wants 55K R/T for economy.

Continental to LGA has to compete in price with United, American, and Frontier. The only route to NYC where they command high prices is the SNA-EWR nonstop route---the only nonstops from SNA to any of the NYC airports. American used to fly nonstops years ago to JFK, but dropped the route c. 2004.
 
I worked for Lufthansa German Airlines for 26 years. It was the golden years of airlines. My airline friends expected another merger to occur in the US. I am taking it one step further and I expect another merger, perhaps American and US Air.
In the current economic climate, it seems that there are alot of mergers and consolidation.
I remember when there were at least a dozen or two manufacturers of washing machines to chose from.

Ross
 
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