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bradfordwhite
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Here we go again with the needless making things complicated. (sigh)
If you did that you'd have to use a surface that wouldn't fade, scratch, discolor, or absorb heat energies and you'd have to prep the underside for the heating element....yadda, yadda, yadda......
It's the equivalent of putting a panel on the front of your dishwasher or frigerator to make it blend in or partially disappear with the cabinets. whatever
Why are you ashamed of your appliances that you feel the need to hide them?
If you did that you'd have to use a surface that wouldn't fade, scratch, discolor, or absorb heat energies and you'd have to prep the underside for the heating element....yadda, yadda, yadda......
It's the equivalent of putting a panel on the front of your dishwasher or frigerator to make it blend in or partially disappear with the cabinets. whatever
Why are you ashamed of your appliances that you feel the need to hide them?
You should be PROUD of your appliances and not hide or "camoflage" them.
Countless kitchen remodeling books I own, I've owned, I'd owned and seen in libraries, and even some ads, movies and television programs, show these modern kitchens ranging (no pun intended) from the late-'50's to today, and debating whether it's mainly east cost, west coast, or any land-licked in between sort of thing, in every fashionable color, or resigned tomstainless steel, chrome or plain white--have been in homes and school home-ec rooms (though never took) which have also had--and even want my next home to have!
-- Dave
-- Dave
ozzie908
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Like that invisible cooktop
That would look neat in a small kitchen and give you much needed counter space.
Would have gone for that when this kitchen was remodelled 6 years ago, I was not aware of such a hob I do have induction which is brilliant.
That would look neat in a small kitchen and give you much needed counter space.
Would have gone for that when this kitchen was remodelled 6 years ago, I was not aware of such a hob I do have induction which is brilliant.
seedub
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Reply #10
I was noticing very recently that the trend I'd seen 20 yr ago toward raised dishwashers in American kitchens seems to have waned. I, at 6 feet three inches, personally would prefer not needing to bend or squat to pack the dishwasher or to retrieve items from the bottom rack; and so, was truly hoping the trend would become mainstream, trickling down from custom designer kitchens to those in average suburban spec built houses. One wonders whether that presents the same problem with aesthetics that a free standing cook stove with high back panel does - a congruous run of countertop is suddenly garishly broken by a machine and its associated cabinetry jutting upward.
I have had a preference for all built-in with separate cooktops and ovens since childhood visiting in my Grandfather's all Frigidaire kitchen in his ultra modern split level constructed in 1962. I have attached a pic snapped in 1965. The spin tube dishwasher is barely visible but the cathedral ceiling is not.
--Chris
I was noticing very recently that the trend I'd seen 20 yr ago toward raised dishwashers in American kitchens seems to have waned. I, at 6 feet three inches, personally would prefer not needing to bend or squat to pack the dishwasher or to retrieve items from the bottom rack; and so, was truly hoping the trend would become mainstream, trickling down from custom designer kitchens to those in average suburban spec built houses. One wonders whether that presents the same problem with aesthetics that a free standing cook stove with high back panel does - a congruous run of countertop is suddenly garishly broken by a machine and its associated cabinetry jutting upward.
I have had a preference for all built-in with separate cooktops and ovens since childhood visiting in my Grandfather's all Frigidaire kitchen in his ultra modern split level constructed in 1962. I have attached a pic snapped in 1965. The spin tube dishwasher is barely visible but the cathedral ceiling is not.
--Chris
For a while a lowered cooktop was in fashion, reason for it was you could see better into the pots on the cooktop. But lately I haven't seen that much in ads.
launderess
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Raised dishwashers
Haven't really taken off because it means giving up counter space.
If one has a large enough kitchen and otherwise that doesn't matter then have at it.
https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/raised-dishwashers-are-more-accessible-in-the-kitchen-253786
https://www.hometalk.com/diy/kitchen-dining/q-have-you-ever-had-a-raised-dishwasher-31416641
There are builders who are putting in raised dishwashers as part of new homes or developments.
https://www.commodore-pennsylvania.com/Elevated-Dishwasher
https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/tag/dishwashers/
Nolte of Germany is big on raised dishwashers. However they are catering to a certain segment of market.
Haven't really taken off because it means giving up counter space.
If one has a large enough kitchen and otherwise that doesn't matter then have at it.
https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/raised-dishwashers-are-more-accessible-in-the-kitchen-253786
https://www.hometalk.com/diy/kitchen-dining/q-have-you-ever-had-a-raised-dishwasher-31416641
There are builders who are putting in raised dishwashers as part of new homes or developments.
https://www.commodore-pennsylvania.com/Elevated-Dishwasher
https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/tag/dishwashers/
Nolte of Germany is big on raised dishwashers. However they are catering to a certain segment of market.
Taking up counter space
Raised DWs take up as much counter space as a raised oven, per se.
And depending on what you have on your counter, it doesn't even matter anyway.
I'll share pictures later this week when all is said and done, but over here, bean-to-cup coffee makes have become a staple. So are toasters, kettles, etc.
So you have stuff that is on the counter 24/7 anyway.
My mum wanted a different kitchen layout compared to my grandma in the same room, so she had to give up a lot of counter space anyway, yet decided to go with both a wall oven design and a raised DW.
The slightly raised DW top (40cm, 16" thereabouts) has 2 outlets for her coffee maker and toaster/kettle.
In return, she added a kind of built in bench where she will add a table.
That leaves her with 1 "working space" plus the table.
Have to admit she isn't much of a cook/baker anyway, so peoples need definitely matter in that regard.
Have seen side by side raised DW and oven, or a compact oven above DW.
Lot of planing there depends on height of main user of the space.
My mum is 5 3, I am 5 11, so I could comfortably use an oven that would be located way to high for her.
However, Bosch/Siemens had taken the concept of "wall oven" to an entirely new meaning.
https://appliancist.com/cooking/builtin_ovens/siemens-liftmatic-oven.html
Almost fully featured oven with automatic, programmable lift function.
Pyrolytic self cleaning, you could do food right on the glass-ceramic oven floor, the usual industry-standard convection (though definitely not best in class back then).
Only thing missing was a meat thermometer built in.
Raised DWs take up as much counter space as a raised oven, per se.
And depending on what you have on your counter, it doesn't even matter anyway.
I'll share pictures later this week when all is said and done, but over here, bean-to-cup coffee makes have become a staple. So are toasters, kettles, etc.
So you have stuff that is on the counter 24/7 anyway.
My mum wanted a different kitchen layout compared to my grandma in the same room, so she had to give up a lot of counter space anyway, yet decided to go with both a wall oven design and a raised DW.
The slightly raised DW top (40cm, 16" thereabouts) has 2 outlets for her coffee maker and toaster/kettle.
In return, she added a kind of built in bench where she will add a table.
That leaves her with 1 "working space" plus the table.
Have to admit she isn't much of a cook/baker anyway, so peoples need definitely matter in that regard.
Have seen side by side raised DW and oven, or a compact oven above DW.
Lot of planing there depends on height of main user of the space.
My mum is 5 3, I am 5 11, so I could comfortably use an oven that would be located way to high for her.
However, Bosch/Siemens had taken the concept of "wall oven" to an entirely new meaning.
https://appliancist.com/cooking/builtin_ovens/siemens-liftmatic-oven.html
Almost fully featured oven with automatic, programmable lift function.
Pyrolytic self cleaning, you could do food right on the glass-ceramic oven floor, the usual industry-standard convection (though definitely not best in class back then).
Only thing missing was a meat thermometer built in.
bradfordwhite
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Getting a 27 or 30" wide 84" tall oven cabinet and simply putting in a shelf so a microwave or other type oven can go above the raised dishwasher is the easiest solution. You still have storage below and above. The increased width allows one room to add sound insulation in the back and sides as well.
I actually built a cabinet in my teens for a raised dw. I just used plywood and it was about 50" tall with a shelf at about 14" off the floor.
I actually built a cabinet in my teens for a raised dw. I just used plywood and it was about 50" tall with a shelf at about 14" off the floor.
Reply #29, pic #1
Most women and perhaps men also, would have one hell of a hard time trying to get anything into or out of that oven or microwave..whatever it is on the top. And there is no way they would be able to operate those controls.
Gary
Most women and perhaps men also, would have one hell of a hard time trying to get anything into or out of that oven or microwave..whatever it is on the top. And there is no way they would be able to operate those controls.
Gary
bradfordwhite
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lol
Just one oven unless a household of basketball players.
Just one oven unless a household of basketball players.
For people who don’t have the option to put in a raised dishwasher there is the AEG Comfort lift.
Or the copy "OptiLift" by V-Zug.
I am pretty certain though that VZug has licensed that design.
The mechanism looks 100% identical.
Though I have heard varying reviews of the lifting lower basket.
The mechanism looks 100% identical.
Though I have heard varying reviews of the lifting lower basket.
I like the comfort lift, but not so much the dishwasher in total.
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