CR No Longer Recommends Laundry Detergent Pods
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Just make sure not to fill the FS compartment with Le Auto Doseur like the woman in the commercial did, or you might run into a laundry disaster.
I wonder if this is ever going to be launched on Henkel`s home market ?
There`s Purex in the States, the whole line of brands in France but still nothing in Germany.
I wonder if this is ever going to be launched on Henkel`s home market ?
There`s Purex in the States, the whole line of brands in France but still nothing in Germany.
mrboilwash, you know that Germans will not buy it.
You remember what happened with Persil liquits, Persil Actic Power. Persil dio-caps will be the same fiasco in Germany even though they are very well accepter here in the East.
I think this auto dose thing is useless. I guess there are thousand issues with it. Instead they have to put a nice spout on the bottles (just like with US liquids and softeners) because the wide bottlenecks are a nightmare.
You remember what happened with Persil liquits, Persil Actic Power. Persil dio-caps will be the same fiasco in Germany even though they are very well accepter here in the East.
I think this auto dose thing is useless. I guess there are thousand issues with it. Instead they have to put a nice spout on the bottles (just like with US liquids and softeners) because the wide bottlenecks are a nightmare.
Persil Small & Mighty's dosing solution here is perfect in my opinion.
It comes in a big 2 litre jug with an easy open spout for easy pouring
You've a dosing ball, that's made out of rubbery plastic. Simply fill to line and throw into drum.
No mess, no spills, no banging noises during the wash (common with harder dosing devices).
Dispenses flawlessly and instantly.
It comes in a big 2 litre jug with an easy open spout for easy pouring
You've a dosing ball, that's made out of rubbery plastic. Simply fill to line and throw into drum.
No mess, no spills, no banging noises during the wash (common with harder dosing devices).
Dispenses flawlessly and instantly.
mich
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In all fairness
for those using Dishwasher Tabs & Pods.
After the Phosphate bans we're enacted, many and I mean, many Detergent's overnight became ineffective, and left behind considerable residue.
Suddenly the Electrasol Powder or Cascade Gel you had been purchasing for years & years, no longer worked. And according to Consumer Reports, the only way you could get a sorta-clean load, was with the new reformulated Tablets/Pods.
The problem was... synthetic rinse agents & new builders to prevent spotting & filming, we're too costly to implement in classic, value products. So they we're left out, and in most cases, they are still not as effective as they we're in very hard water conditions.
Now... if the Phosphate bans we're never enacted, you could buy any, and I mean any detergent on the shelf and get a wonderful clean. Even the cheapest store powder, would have made your dishes shine.
Random - P&G did a consumer study, back in 2006 asking consumers if they could tell any difference between Cascade Gel & Cascade ActionPacs (One a Enzyme & One a chlorine based product). Less than 7% of the respondents noticed anything significant.
That's interesting, because a lot of Dishwasher Manufacturers said, and still do, that a Enzyme Detergent should be used for best results. But.. most consumers couldn't tell the difference between a Phosphate Chlorine Gel & a Phosphate & Enzyme Powder.
for those using Dishwasher Tabs & Pods.
After the Phosphate bans we're enacted, many and I mean, many Detergent's overnight became ineffective, and left behind considerable residue.
Suddenly the Electrasol Powder or Cascade Gel you had been purchasing for years & years, no longer worked. And according to Consumer Reports, the only way you could get a sorta-clean load, was with the new reformulated Tablets/Pods.
The problem was... synthetic rinse agents & new builders to prevent spotting & filming, we're too costly to implement in classic, value products. So they we're left out, and in most cases, they are still not as effective as they we're in very hard water conditions.
Now... if the Phosphate bans we're never enacted, you could buy any, and I mean any detergent on the shelf and get a wonderful clean. Even the cheapest store powder, would have made your dishes shine.
Random - P&G did a consumer study, back in 2006 asking consumers if they could tell any difference between Cascade Gel & Cascade ActionPacs (One a Enzyme & One a chlorine based product). Less than 7% of the respondents noticed anything significant.
That's interesting, because a lot of Dishwasher Manufacturers said, and still do, that a Enzyme Detergent should be used for best results. But.. most consumers couldn't tell the difference between a Phosphate Chlorine Gel & a Phosphate & Enzyme Powder.
sudsmaster
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The main drawback to pods, like tablets, is the very thing that makes them seem more convenient: fixed dosage.
Anyone who has done laundry on a regular basis knows that it's important to adjust detergent added to the size and soil level of the load. A fixed dosage solution doesn't allow for that, making under-dosing and over-dosing the load a virtual certainty.
Anyone who has done laundry on a regular basis knows that it's important to adjust detergent added to the size and soil level of the load. A fixed dosage solution doesn't allow for that, making under-dosing and over-dosing the load a virtual certainty.
Lately
We've been using pods as a trial...I'll admit, it keeps hubby from overdosing with detergent and oversudsing...although some pods tend to suds more than others (wisk especially in hot water with Clorox) but Gain does ok and Persil is awesome. He's still of the mindset of "if this is good, more is better". Of course, I've been using a FL longer than he has...and I got used to having a water softener before he did. Some pods have too much detergent for a compact size washer though. We've never had a problem with them getting caught in the boot and not dissolving because Asko doesn't use a front boot.
When I was a kid I knew not to put stuff in my mouth! I was a monkey and climbed on top of everything so nothing was really out of my reach. My dad put a special locking pin into the medicine cabinet that was actually beyond our reach even if we were standing on the toilet so medicines were safe from a climber like me...but I knew not to take anything if Momma didn't give it to me herself! Heck, one of her migraine pills looked just like green M&M's and I knew better. Parents just need to stop playing on their iPhones constantly and actually WATCH their kids. If I had kids, I'd put a latch on the laundry cabinets way up high so climbers couldn't even reach it.
We've been using pods as a trial...I'll admit, it keeps hubby from overdosing with detergent and oversudsing...although some pods tend to suds more than others (wisk especially in hot water with Clorox) but Gain does ok and Persil is awesome. He's still of the mindset of "if this is good, more is better". Of course, I've been using a FL longer than he has...and I got used to having a water softener before he did. Some pods have too much detergent for a compact size washer though. We've never had a problem with them getting caught in the boot and not dissolving because Asko doesn't use a front boot.
When I was a kid I knew not to put stuff in my mouth! I was a monkey and climbed on top of everything so nothing was really out of my reach. My dad put a special locking pin into the medicine cabinet that was actually beyond our reach even if we were standing on the toilet so medicines were safe from a climber like me...but I knew not to take anything if Momma didn't give it to me herself! Heck, one of her migraine pills looked just like green M&M's and I knew better. Parents just need to stop playing on their iPhones constantly and actually WATCH their kids. If I had kids, I'd put a latch on the laundry cabinets way up high so climbers couldn't even reach it.
The pods will work well for most loads, although I can see how it might be too large a dose for the Asko's smaller drum size.
P&G claims people frequently overdose the new ultra-concentrated liquids---and I agree---so in many cases, pods save detergent. Members of the AW family are probably very attentive to dosage with loads of varying sizes, but the general public, not so much.
Only very small loads (a couple of shirts or a set of workout clothes) have ever presented a problem with pods. Otherwise, the dosage works just fine. If you weigh each load and calibrate your detergent dose to it by the ml, God bless; I've used pods for a year in loads of all sizes and soils-levels with no real problems.
I've never, ever used two pods in the front-loader. That would be a suds disaster in soft water. I did use two a number of times in the Speed Queen top-loader, but honestly, I'd stick to liquids or powders with a non-HE machine.
P&G claims people frequently overdose the new ultra-concentrated liquids---and I agree---so in many cases, pods save detergent. Members of the AW family are probably very attentive to dosage with loads of varying sizes, but the general public, not so much.
Only very small loads (a couple of shirts or a set of workout clothes) have ever presented a problem with pods. Otherwise, the dosage works just fine. If you weigh each load and calibrate your detergent dose to it by the ml, God bless; I've used pods for a year in loads of all sizes and soils-levels with no real problems.
I've never, ever used two pods in the front-loader. That would be a suds disaster in soft water. I did use two a number of times in the Speed Queen top-loader, but honestly, I'd stick to liquids or powders with a non-HE machine.
sudsmaster
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I don't know if this has been pointed out yet in this thread, but CR's main objection to the laundry pods was their safety hazard to kids.
The magazine included ratings for various pods anyway, and they tended to score lower than the leading liquids and powders. I don't know exactly why this would be, unless the fixed dosage is the main cause of less than top performance.
As I may have said several times already, I've found that different laundry loads and wash temps can require markedly different dosages of detergent. Mainly I use Sears HE Ultra powder, boosted 33% with STPP. For the full loads of shirts, slacks, and non-white socks in the Neptune, on the warm (105F) temp/perm press cycle, I find I can usually add 6 oz of this mixture without oversudsing. Sometimes even at that level little to no suds are visible.
The same detergent mix in the Miele, with a load of whites, at 155F, 3 oz is the max I can usually add without suds becoming too thick.
The magazine included ratings for various pods anyway, and they tended to score lower than the leading liquids and powders. I don't know exactly why this would be, unless the fixed dosage is the main cause of less than top performance.
As I may have said several times already, I've found that different laundry loads and wash temps can require markedly different dosages of detergent. Mainly I use Sears HE Ultra powder, boosted 33% with STPP. For the full loads of shirts, slacks, and non-white socks in the Neptune, on the warm (105F) temp/perm press cycle, I find I can usually add 6 oz of this mixture without oversudsing. Sometimes even at that level little to no suds are visible.
The same detergent mix in the Miele, with a load of whites, at 155F, 3 oz is the max I can usually add without suds becoming too thick.
I think...
Iej is right, I too can see them being pulled from the EU/UK market too.. Due to safety but also due to cost... We pay much more for things here in UK than in USA, so depending on offers/comparison to other formats, cant see them being round for ever.
(Although we have had the liquid capsules since 1998 here, so could be wrong).
What I find interesting is that on all the P&G pods they have started printing on the back of the pods themselves - all brands - Ariel, Bold, Daz and Fairy.
All of them have the name of the detergent on the pod, however the Daz one has 3 names showing - Tide/Vizir/Daz
I knew Tide and Vizir are the same detergent (Vizir is France's version) Ace detergent is in this category too.
But I didn't think Daz was the same as Tide, as Daz is our second in line P&G detergent (all the latest tech goes into Ariel and Daz gets the previous Ariel formulas).
So if Tide and Daz are the same thing, then the USA is getting done out as Tide being TOL.
Unless, P&G have zupped-up Daz for us
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Iej is right, I too can see them being pulled from the EU/UK market too.. Due to safety but also due to cost... We pay much more for things here in UK than in USA, so depending on offers/comparison to other formats, cant see them being round for ever.
(Although we have had the liquid capsules since 1998 here, so could be wrong).
What I find interesting is that on all the P&G pods they have started printing on the back of the pods themselves - all brands - Ariel, Bold, Daz and Fairy.
All of them have the name of the detergent on the pod, however the Daz one has 3 names showing - Tide/Vizir/Daz
I knew Tide and Vizir are the same detergent (Vizir is France's version) Ace detergent is in this category too.
But I didn't think Daz was the same as Tide, as Daz is our second in line P&G detergent (all the latest tech goes into Ariel and Daz gets the previous Ariel formulas).
So if Tide and Daz are the same thing, then the USA is getting done out as Tide being TOL.
Unless, P&G have zupped-up Daz for us
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The Tide Brand in Europe
P&G and Unilever tend to "reuse" branding.
Tide is a brand in a couple of European countries, but it may not be top of the line.
Ariel is generally the European top-of-the-line product, even in markets where it wasn't, they've introduced it and are slowly moving the national TOL to second tier.
All these companies like the idea of saving in costs, so there's one single EU version of any given product in reality. It's just put into different boxes.
I suspect there's some obscure legal labelling requirement for the pods which may be requiring this printing. I noticed the P&G Fairy dishwasher tablets are printed with multiple brands too.
If Persil capsules start showing up with Persil & Skip branding on the outside, it's probably a legal thing or that they've reinterpreted the tablet exterior as "packaging".
I notice the powder tablets in Ireland anyway are getting an ever decreasing amount of shelf space. Persil powder tablets, other than non bio seem to be harder and harder to find. Clearly not selling well.
Space dedicated to powders is also shrinking ... They're all still there but they've far less prominent space. It's all pushing concentrated liquid formats.
The gel formats seem to be fading away too. Always thought they were a solution In search of a problem. Couldn't see the point of them.
At the end of the day, the concentrated liquids are proving to be the most practical format in Europe. One tiny capful either dumped into the drawer or just thrown into the drum along with the laundry and you're done!
They're very compatible with quick washes too. No dissolving time.
P&G and Unilever tend to "reuse" branding.
Tide is a brand in a couple of European countries, but it may not be top of the line.
Ariel is generally the European top-of-the-line product, even in markets where it wasn't, they've introduced it and are slowly moving the national TOL to second tier.
All these companies like the idea of saving in costs, so there's one single EU version of any given product in reality. It's just put into different boxes.
I suspect there's some obscure legal labelling requirement for the pods which may be requiring this printing. I noticed the P&G Fairy dishwasher tablets are printed with multiple brands too.
If Persil capsules start showing up with Persil & Skip branding on the outside, it's probably a legal thing or that they've reinterpreted the tablet exterior as "packaging".
I notice the powder tablets in Ireland anyway are getting an ever decreasing amount of shelf space. Persil powder tablets, other than non bio seem to be harder and harder to find. Clearly not selling well.
Space dedicated to powders is also shrinking ... They're all still there but they've far less prominent space. It's all pushing concentrated liquid formats.
The gel formats seem to be fading away too. Always thought they were a solution In search of a problem. Couldn't see the point of them.
At the end of the day, the concentrated liquids are proving to be the most practical format in Europe. One tiny capful either dumped into the drawer or just thrown into the drum along with the laundry and you're done!
They're very compatible with quick washes too. No dissolving time.
Tide is available in many European countries, mainly Central and Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, former Yugoslavia republics, Russia; in Poland the brand name is Vizir, in Turkey - Alo, but the orange package and the bull eye logo are the same.
In all of these countries Tide/Vizir/Alo is in the middle between the TOL Ariel and the BOL Bonux. It's cheaper than Ariel, but has many of it's features. For example Tide contains the catalyst that P&G use for Ariel (Bonux doesn't), but anyway Tide is formulated cheaper than Ariel - less persalt and activator (TAED), less surfactants, other ingredients like polymers are missing. Still, Tide is very good detergent.
There is also Tide in Portural (the third photo), but I think it's BOL brand. It's not as good as our Tide.
In all of these countries Tide/Vizir/Alo is in the middle between the TOL Ariel and the BOL Bonux. It's cheaper than Ariel, but has many of it's features. For example Tide contains the catalyst that P&G use for Ariel (Bonux doesn't), but anyway Tide is formulated cheaper than Ariel - less persalt and activator (TAED), less surfactants, other ingredients like polymers are missing. Still, Tide is very good detergent.
There is also Tide in Portural (the third photo), but I think it's BOL brand. It's not as good as our Tide.
mrb627
Well-known member
Hazard To Children...
Funny, the first time I purchased a box of Persil Mega-Pearls, they reminded me a of frozen confection. Wonder how many children have tasted the Pearls...
Malcolm
Funny, the first time I purchased a box of Persil Mega-Pearls, they reminded me a of frozen confection. Wonder how many children have tasted the Pearls...
Malcolm
tide pods
If people are too stupid to be eating pods, that's their problem. It's bad enough that children get into them, and now we have teens doing the so-called "Tide Pods Challenge". They should know better. The real Tide Pods Challenge would to take the most filthy, smelliest, dirtiest, sweatiest loads and run a battery of tests. on normal or heavy duty.
If people are too stupid to be eating pods, that's their problem. It's bad enough that children get into them, and now we have teens doing the so-called "Tide Pods Challenge". They should know better. The real Tide Pods Challenge would to take the most filthy, smelliest, dirtiest, sweatiest loads and run a battery of tests. on normal or heavy duty.
The biggest problem with VIM and Salvo tablets . . .
. . . was kids trying to use them as hockey pucks.
. . . was kids trying to use them as hockey pucks.
laundry tablets
I miss the laundry tablets and I've used them in 2002 until the time they were discontinued. The pods somewhat remind me of them.
I miss the laundry tablets and I've used them in 2002 until the time they were discontinued. The pods somewhat remind me of them.
Another question here is if our dear member Jetcone has started using laundry pod’s considering reply #6.
Hiding somewhere in Europe.
Hiding somewhere in Europe.
If people are willing to pay for convenience, above all else
It makes me wonder why they don’t have a giant laundry powder dispenser thing that’s coin-operated, and then when it gets low, it gets refilled with detergent and the money is collected to both run the delivery of detergent and purchase or make more of it
It makes me wonder why they don’t have a giant laundry powder dispenser thing that’s coin-operated, and then when it gets low, it gets refilled with detergent and the money is collected to both run the delivery of detergent and purchase or make more of it
I recall reading several years ago about P&G trying to figure out a way to give away dishwashers to apartment builders which had a customized Cascade dispenser (which would be replenished on demand...essentially converting a built-in amenity to a subscription-based service. I think they're also trying that sort of thing with the ultra-big Charmin roll dispensers---
panasonicvac
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Reply #53
Yup, tried both a Kirkland and a Gain pod before. Never really cared for them.
Yup, tried both a Kirkland and a Gain pod before. Never really cared for them.
mark_wpduet
Well-known member
I was watching a youtuber I like...Her channel isn't about doing detergent reviews but it's a bunch of different things..One video she happened to be reviewing arm & hammer pods. She said the reason she bought them is she just wanted a change...
in the video she did laundry... and as she was taking them out sniffing them... she was disappointed that she couldn't smell anything but a neutral smell. She's like, I think I'll add a gain dryer sheet... maybe two...like "we must get as much chemical smell on this clean laundry as possible"... I don't get it. What's wrong with the unscented neutral clean smell?
It blows my mind that people would rather their laundry smell like detergent chemicals than a neutral clean smell
I've never bought them becuase I want to be able to put more or less detergent based on the load..you can't do that with pods.
in the video she did laundry... and as she was taking them out sniffing them... she was disappointed that she couldn't smell anything but a neutral smell. She's like, I think I'll add a gain dryer sheet... maybe two...like "we must get as much chemical smell on this clean laundry as possible"... I don't get it. What's wrong with the unscented neutral clean smell?
It blows my mind that people would rather their laundry smell like detergent chemicals than a neutral clean smell
I've never bought them becuase I want to be able to put more or less detergent based on the load..you can't do that with pods.
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