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For reasons of safety, Consumer Reports no longer recommends liquid laundry detergent pods. They suggest US companies take a cue from UK/European manufacturers, most of whom add a bittering agent or use tougher encasements that don't break or dissolve as easily.

There are no small children in the house (and the cats have yet to break into the container) so my daily driver will continue to be Tide HE Turbo Pods. Households with tots (or particularly clever pets) should probably stick with liquids/powders until pods are deemed safer.

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I honesty could not blame a toddler for eating pods, given the image you posted Frig! 

 

Not only are their parents making ZERO effort to protect them, they are perhaps too young to read and then, to top it off, the pods look like candy, and might smell like it too. This is perhaps the worst combination; as all it equals in babies' head is FOOD, MUST EAT!

 

I agree with CR, they need to make these worse than those "Warhead" sour lollies, or just plain bleugh-tasting.  
 
Alex,

What you mentioned was the scope of my grizzle. 

 

Parents are the problem to begin with, for either keeping this stuff very accessible to their kids, but also not having their wits about them and watching over their kids, or confining them to a specific area. 

 

Frankly, if parents aren't there watching, or they don't teach kids from the get-go that the laundry room and/or chemicals within are OUT OF BOUNDS, then this sort of outcome is inevitable.

I hate to say it, but there are some parents that will only learn the hard way, and that is going to happen, whether or not the pods smell and taste like turds. 
 
10 points for Alex!

I honestly don't get the whole pod idea! It failed in the '60s and I see that happening today. Its only good for retired old people who are lazy. No one wants to put extra effort into doing laundry and these require that.  You have to check and plan your load size before you wash. You have to match the load to the pod. Foolish IMHO. That was too much work in the '60s, it'll end up the same today.

I tried the original Persil pods back when Mike let me visit him in Chester. They had a problem he mentioned that I forgot about by the time I got home here to do laundry. It was even stated on the box which I blithely overlooked!  The older tougher pods you had to look over your laundry BEFORE you put it in the dryer. If there was any pod left it HAD to be removed. I didn't follow directions, hauled a load out of the Bendix Combo to find a very hard plastic now embedded in my towel. Couldn't get the scratchy thing out, the plastic had transformed under the heat of the dryer.

I had to turn the towel into my basement tool towel.

I have not had that problem with the Tide pods but then again if they go to toughen them up I bet you will be right back there. 

 
 
Many parents have started making kids as young as 6 do their own laundry. Maybe when a little one sees brother or sister doing laundry they decide to give the pod a try.
 
Comparisons to the failed attempt in the 60's may not work, things today are a bit different then back then. Today we live in a world of hustle bustle and people not caring about anything but speed and convenience, I could see Pods as likely to entirely take over.

I do think the manufacturers need to try to make the products less visually appealing to children, get rid of the pretty colors etc. But more so the end users MUST take responsibility for safe use of these potentially hazardous products. Liability issues like this in our country are just ludicrous. Its just like the people that sue the motorcycle helmet manufacturers because they got a concussion in a crash. That helmet likely saved their life... But they still get paid (usually out of court so as not to set a precedent) ugh.
 
Pods containing all liquid

Seem to be ok, but those with a powder mix are getting up my nose. *LOL*

At least in the AEG the things often get stuck in whole or part in the door boot with some contents never fully dissolving. The older Miele uses more water for the wash so in theory that should help but still...

With the AEG sometimes have to stop the machine and before water pools get the door open to fling bits of the pod onto the wash.
 
Think the problem is

Rather puny amounts of water many modern front loaders must contend with these days. It just takes that much longer before the things burst and dissolve.

Tide and most other makers advise placing the things in drum before wash. This in theory should allow contact with water along with weight of laundry to burst the thing open, but that is in theory. Often practice is another matter.
 
Jon-- Actually, it's the young set using pods--18 to 30 year olds. That's why I contend the market share for pods will continue to grow. Just as people in our demographic are used to powders/liquids, they'll be used to pods and will continue to use them as they age. They think it's crazy to lug jugs of detergent around when you can pop a couple of pods in your pocket. People scoffed at dishwasher pods a few years ago and they've leapt to the top of the market share. I will, however, gladly hone my measuring skills when Rosalie's Zero Suds becomes available!

Launderess-- I think my Frigidaire has a lot to do with pod successes. The trough/gap in the boot is narrow, so on the rare occasion one lands there, the tumbling clothes pull it back into the tub. The recirculating water during the fill and first minute or two of the wash helps dissolve the pod quickly, making it less likely to migrate to the boot in the first place. The Maytag 8100 I was eyeing has a wide trough in the boot. If a pod lands there, it's stuck. And keep those powdered pods away from your nose lest we are forced to perform an online intervention, LOL.

Pod safety and parenting: While there are careless parents, mistakes happen to even the diligent. Pods should be less visually enticing, a bittering agent added, and containers harder for kids to open.
 
measuring skills when Rosalie's Zero Suds becomes availa

Eugene, of course that is only until the pods become available ;)
 
Pods vs Tablets etc

In the grand scheme of things, I'm finding that on a per-wash basis, the pods and dishwasher tabs can range from slightly more expensive, to HIDEOUSLY expensive, depending on the brand, and whether or not its on sale. 

 

For example, a 1Kg jug of dishwasher detergent lasts us anywhere from 60-90 days, for just $18.

The equivalent amount of tablets, at least at our supermarket, could cost somewhere around $40 to $50, maybe more. People still buy them, though (despite my detergent evangelism). 
 
I get the attraction of pods if I was going to the laundromat and needed the portability. I just don't understand why you could use them if you were in your own home. I use liquid Tide at the moment. I don't consider it a hardship to unscrew the cap and pour. Are people this lazy to need a pod?
 
I guess that makes it official: The distinction between ambition and sloth comes down to a colorful little pod.

And to think it wasn't so long ago it was I commenting that manufacturers of powders were forced to include a chintzy scoop in every box because its users were too lazy to keep a measuring cup on hand. How the mighty have fallen!

Oh, well; the laws of karma cannot be avoided.  I'll just throw my electric razor and slip-ons in a bag and take my place with the indolent.
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Oh I haven't ruled out Pods for

Rosalie's but like washer111 pointed out, I find from my market surveys' the detergent in pods is 2-3 times more expensive to the customer.

 

And for little old me, pods are currently locked up with tons of fresh patents stretching 15-20 years down the road. So we will wait that one out.

 

 
 
Not likely to call 911 or Poison Control--

--'Cause I don't use! (I can measure my laundry soap in accordance to my wash-load, whereas pods are better designed for dishes & kitchen ware, if the dishwasher only has a fixed setting, that I only use when the machine is actually totally full!) Not interested in the pod design for my laundry, though my daughter seems well-educated enough on poisons & dangerous chemicals (that there are the fewest of these volatile substances around compared to back in my time) that there are no worries about any accidental or incidental ingestion of such--and somehow no matter how NOT so high up this stuff was placed I surely never imbibed or swallowed anything as much as had access to read the warning labels, beginning with an "If Swallowed," on a bleach label I saw on the top edge of the parents' laundry tub...

 

I fail to see why these pods can't just be kept in a plain cardboard box in a plastic lining bag just like my dishwasher tablets are...

 

Not much you can do about the candy-like appearance, but a no-brainer to at least make the packaging something the kids are less-likely to climb up & get...

 

 

-- Dave
 
Pods are starting to become quite a serious health and safety concern here in Ireland, there's a fairly strong possibility I suspect that they could end up being regulated out of existence by the EU.

The biggest issues with them isn't actually poisoning, as the ingredients in laundry detergent while nasty enough are generally not going to have lethal consequences.

The issues that have been reported by paediatric accident and emergency doctors here in Ireland have all been around eye injuries and upper respiratory injuries.

The problem is that babies and toddlers (and in one case an adult!) chew on the pod and it explodes splattering very sticky, very concentrated detergent into the person's face.

I could definitely see them being taken out of circulation through consumer safety legislation.

I also note that the major brands here have scaled back their marketing drives for pods. There's more of a push going on on concentrated liquids again.

Persil and Surf Small & Mighty in umpteen different varieties.
Ariel Clean & Compact seems to be displacing Excel Gel too.

I suspect the detergent manufacturers know the pod's may have to disappear, as convenient as they are.

Actually in general dishwasher tablets are probably less attractive and less dangerous as they're mostly not liquids. They would give you a nasty taste and possibly mouth burns if you chewed them, but very few of them would actually explode if you were to bite into them.
 
The other issues with pods:

1) They're adding extra packaging waste to the environment as they have to be packed in very heavy plastic boxes to prevent breakage of the pods / water or even most air getting in.

2) The actual plastic bubble they're in adds unnecessary plastics to waste streams into the drain system (can cause clogs) and also adds extra gunk to process in sewage treatment facilities.

3) They cannot supply them in a format that's refillable - liquids (more so in continental Europe) are often sold in tap-refillable systems in supermarkets (Henkel in particular does this in France with Le Chat) and also sometimes in plastic bag formats that can be poured into your original bottle.

4) They don't work very well in some low-water usage machines and end up stuck in the door seal if they're misplaced. I've seen (and experienced myself) a few instances where the machine threw the pod into the door seal and it was still there being dissolved during the rinses.

Other low water use machines may just cause damage to clothes as the pod doesn't quite dissolve evenly and ends up stuck on clothes.

5) They're not very compatible with quick washes in front loaders where the cycle time might only be as low as 15 to 20 minutes. The pod doesn't dissolve quickly and the machine doesn't distribute the detergent and you end up with either a poor wash or a pod dissolving during the rinses.

6) Some people don't use them correctly at all. I know one person who put two detergent pods straight into the dispenser drawer and it took about 5 kettles of hot water to clear the machine. The dispenser blocked and water flowed onto the floor as the machine was filling.

8) inflexible dosing: The dose is optimised for hard water and average loads, which is inappropriate for a lot of people. For example, if I use a pod in my Miele on the South Coast of Ireland, the water is extremely soft and the machine over suds.

It means, that a lot of people are using totally inappropriately high doses which is a waste of money, waste of ingredients and is adding extra chemicals to the environment we don't need.

I also don't believe it reduces dose as many people will just "chuck" in two pods for no reason.
 
"there's a fairly strong possibility I suspect that they could end up being regulated out of existence by the EU."

 

Now, for whatever reason, at about 5am, this is beyond hilarious. 

 

"If humanity can't do it right the first time, then the EU will legislate it being done right in the future."

(Washer111)

 

This is only intended as stupidity early in the morning before work 
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@iej

Please accept my apologies if that caused offence.

It was intended as a lighthearted joke, and I was merely playing upon the typical "Anti-EU" thing where by they regulate stuff to excess.

I did not mean to attack what you said.
 
Interesting points James

I have a box of vintage salvo tablets from the 60's - pre dosed tablets. Supposed to make wash day so easy. But I heard from several women at the time they hated the fact that they had to directly handle the detergent with their hands. Not so with powder scoops and pouring liquids. Today pods have to be directly handled, granted there may not be much detergent on the outside but who knows. 

Any one toss a pod in and then rinse their hands??

 
 
James-- Tide Pods containers are recyclable, as with liquid jugs. P&G was working on pods with no outer packaging, but haven't heard if/when they'll come to market. They're packaged as a sheet with perforations around each dose. I'm assuming the casing is reinforced so they don't open unintentionally. Interesting concept, but whether they can make it work is another story.

The inability to dose is only an issue for me with very small loads---a couple of shirts, for instance. Otherwise, they work well in my softened water and the new Turbo pods rinse very well for me. No problems using them with the Frigidaire's 20-minute Quick cycle.

I used pods exclusively for at least a year and had no problems with them dissolving. As mentioned elsewhere, my Frigidaire front-loader doesn't tumble before water enters, and the recirculating jet helps them dissolve very efficiently, even when washing comforters. They may not work as well in other machines. If a washer tumbles quite a bit before water enters, that would probably increase the chance of the pod landing up front on the boot.

As for people misusing them---putting them in the dispenser; using two pacs instead of one---the simple instructions for use are clear. Toss the pod toward the back of the empty tub, then add load. The fault lies with the user, not the pod in these cases.

If the powers that be decide pods are too dangerous, or if manufacturers stop making them, I'll just go back to liquids/powders. I appreciate the ease and convenience of using pods, but I wouldn't shed tears if they went away.

I'm not aware of refillable detergents, at least where I live. That sounds like a great option, although there's still a relatively heavy plastic bag to dispose of.

The poisoning issue is certainly cause for concern, but there are no children in the house and I've not been tempted to bite into one, so far.

Jon-- I have never washed my hands after handling pods. No problems as long as hands are dry.

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