Craigslist SUCKS!!!!!

[jetcone]

Ralph

You may have a point there, tonight on the news there was this "new" behavioral scientist proving the point that ageing baby boomers are starting to fail at multitasking because we focus too much on everything around us and can't filter out it all so we can concentrate on the iphone before us.

Well when we grew up we had to be tuned into the world around us because thats how we stayed connected to it! A Duh!

Some scientists -aren't!

What a load of @#$%!

 

[launderess]

Curb Alert

Seems by far one of the most sucessful ways of getting rid of items (assuming one does not want money).

Simply put a listing on Cl letting people know the thing is on the curb, and in a few days rubbish collection will be taking it away. Just as we did to get the Whirlpool dryer, if someone wants something bad enough, they will manage.

Don't think there are any more "flakes" out there than ever was, especially when it comes to selling something. Any sales person will tell you a good part of their day is spent with time wasters who have no intention of purchasing, but also have nothing better to do. From bored housewives, to financially challenged, to simply being lonely, these sorts make an art of chatting up but rarely close the deal. What has changed is that the Internet allows these persons to waste other people's time from the comfort of their own home.

L.

 

[rp2813]

I agree that stating it's out front or at the curb works well if you're not looking to get any money out of whatever it is you're unloading. Heck, we just put the stuff out and don't even post it on CL and it still disappears. But we can get $ for the dining ensemble for sure so won't be kicking it to the curb.

 

[joeinfl]

OK, Legal crap hear, have a Tylenol and a Scotch

A verbal contract is valid when both parties agree upon the terms of the sale. The contract is considered as accepted when payment is made via an acceptable method. For a check or money order, the contract is accepted when it goes in the mail to the seller. For PayPal, it's when the payment is made through them.

I understand where you are coming from for those that are "first with cash gets the prize", when I want to get rid of something I want it out of the way. Old appliances, electronics, ex's. But legally you could be in for some trouble if you get some nut job that knows the law. Think about a certain judge who sued a dry cleaner for $64 million for losing his pants. He has refiled the suit now for $54 million. You can be held liable and legally forced to "perform" basically; you have to provide an acceptable replacement to the buyer or give a refund not of the amount that the buyer paid you, but the reasonable dollar amount that the buyer would need to purchase said item from another seller.

And if knew how much money I could get for losing my pants somewhere, I'd be super mega rich right now!

 

[bajaespuma]

You get what you pay for.

Never truer than with Craigslist. I've had good and bad experiences with craigslist, but nothing so extraordinary that I would consider not using it. The BEST finds are usually there, because if they were going for an auction war, they would have posted it on ebay. What annoys me most about craigslist are the dolts who post appliances without brand, description or PICTURE!!!

 

[jeffg]

Yea but those are sometimes the best finds, i.e. from older people who aren't very computer literate..

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[jaytag]

My two cents

SQ, I agree with you. It is frustrating as a buyer to get burned on something that you are hot after. One of the great things about our group is that most of us are very willing to help each other out when something is posted near them.

As on the selling end, I understand how some people are no shows, but 70 percent of the time, it usually pans out. I must be a more patient person than some.

What I dont understand is I have posted free things and people dont show up, that is just crazy.

 

[speed_queen75]

Dont get me wrong Yall

I have had awesome experiences off of CL in the past before i moved to Italy, but it seems here lately that all three times i have tried to make a deal, i either hear nothing in return, or receive an email saying sorry item is sold, several days after i sent the initial email saying i want to buy the item, which really sucks, but oh well. Hey Gordon i can wait till November to pick up the WP you have, i am just trying to get another collection going, as i am having the fever of BD washers. Oh and btw before i forget, i got and strange email from someone, who i hope is not a member calling me an asshole and saying i have a plug stuck up my ass, all because i had to rant about CL, seems there are more child like people in this world than what i thought, oh well my search continues and i wont give up.

 

[perc-o-prince]

re: link after

...i.e. from older people who aren't very computer literate...

I think I peed a little watching that!

I would have to agree that the percentage of flakes probably hasn't gone up, it's just that they've become more visible with the Internet! And, launderess, as far as the salesfolks and time wasters, you're right. But, the people who come back with something and complain, complain and complain (even though it was their fault), then complain to district management because you did what the company told you to do and not what they wanted, then they get what they wanted anyway, are far more annoying and a good reason why I'd have to be pretty desperate to ever re-enter the salesforce.

Chuck

 

[launderess]

As The Saying Goes

Oral agreements/contracts aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Yes, in theory someone could sue for breach of an oral agreement, but all the other party has to say (or their attorney), is "I do not recall any such offer", or words to the effect. Note the word "recall", which simply means one does not remember, which is different than outright stating the thing did not happen, which could be perjury if under oath.

In short, unless one has the deal written down on paper, or a recording of the oral agreement, there is little that can stand up in court. It goes down to one person's word against another's, and with today's legal costs and court burdens,hardly seems worth the effort.

Of course, eBay is another matter, as you have won an auction and agreed to TOS when joining.

L.

 

[joeinfl]

Launderess, I agree with you. The problem that happens here is the payment. When someone makes payment, it's acceptance of the contract, verbal or otherwise. That is where the argument of "why would I have paid them for it if we didn't have an agreement?" comes into play.

 

[launderess]

Well, Yes

If payment was tendered and received, then things would be different. However in the above example up-thread poster stated that someone said they were going to send payment via USPS, but another person paid first via PayPal (or some such). In that case long as the former's payment is returned promptly, he doesn't have much to cry about, aside from not getting the item that is.

You do see in many eBay auctions, CL listings and such that sellers cleary state unless payment is received within "X" amount of time, item will be relisted and the deal is null and void, or first person who arrives with funds in hand takes the item. In each of those cases it is made clear what interested parties must do to complete the transaction.

Many people simply have wants larger than their money supply, and will try and get merchandise "held" while they either make up their minds, or try and scrouge up the funds. Meanwhile a seller could loose several serious customers wating around for the flakey person to get their act together.

What is the old line?

Money talks, BS walks.......

 

[polkanut]

Lee Jenkins,

The nasty email you received didn't by chance come from a fellow named Bob did it?

 

[perc-o-prince]

Of course, eBay is another matter, as you have won an auctio

It only counts if the "wronged" party pushes it. A friend won an auction with Buy It Now for an item at something like $19.99 + shipping. The item generally sells for $150 or so. Though the item was paid for immediately with PayPal, the seller refunded it, saying there was an error in the listing (obviously did some homework since the item sold so quickly). The "winner" didn't push it to the limit they could have, and lost.

Chuck

 

[speed_queen75]

to Polkanut

I don't know, it did not leave a name, only this so called return email, [email protected] and this is what it said
"Dear Asshole:

Having sold or given away over 45 items on Craigslist since 2001, I know
exactly why you have a buttplug up your butt as to why sellers won't sell
to you:

"i have sent all three sellers emails letting them know i was very
interested in buying their machines"

Next time, write that YOU WANT TO BUY THEIR MACHINE! Tell them you have
the cash and will BUY as soon as they get back to you, given them your
telephone number or ask for theirs with a promise to call and BUY. Being
"interested" is just another way of saying you are a flake. Also
email with
your real email address, not some ridiculous yahoo email address like the
one I had to use to send this message to you."

And the header of the email was

buying machines on craigslist.

Here is the header and the mail address

Gelding Services [email protected].

 

[launderess]

Get those sometimes as well, always simply chuck them into the "rubbish" file and not give them a second though.

IIRC, member email addys are easily found in the group profiles, so any "nut" can and often does find a way to bother us.

 

[rp2813]

So there is no way to block non-member access to user profiles? If there is and it's definitely a member who sent it to you, then he's a coward with a serious endowment issue.

 

[charger]

My partner made a deal for a dog on CL, the guy took the money then sent the money order BACK, said he had someone offer to take 2 dogs but one had to be the one he had sold to us...THEN a few days later he calls us back it seems that the deal with the other person blew up and he tried to get us back on the hook!!

I have found that you can get rid of things that you dont want for little or nuthing but other then that I see little value in CL too many FLAKES just as speed_queen75 noted.

 

[soapnsuds]

Two wrongs don't make a right..

I've bought and sold on CL before so I speak from some experience..Part of being a 'retailer' is putting up with people..don't show up, change their mind, whatever. They could have had an emergency to deal with. You never know. But still, a phone call to say you can't come or you've changed your mind would be nice. But it is not required. On the other side of the coin, to say "yes" to someone, make a deal to accept their deal/payment by mail or whatever and then to turn around and sell the item to someone else?! I'm sorry, that's just wrong. All that creates is and ugly cycle;

Buyer: "why show up? Their just going to sell it before I get there anyway"
Seller: "Why wait, their not going to show up anyway."
Bottom line; if you say you're going to do something, you do it.
If I was the guy who bought something, took time off work to go get a money order, which cost money, mail it off, which cost money...and then turn around and get it sent back to me because someone didn't keep THEIR commitment...I'd be pissed too.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like an ass..but really, not showing up and making a deal then not honoring it, are both pretty lousy.

Happy Friday Everyone. Have a great day if you want to! -Laurent

 

[travis]

While I've had great experiences on CL, my worst experience is still etched in my mind.

There was a Maytag 806 set in Rockport, IL last year. I called the lady, told her I would come get them on Saturday, they're 5 hrs away. I asked her to take my number and she replied that it was on her ID.

I drove all the way up there to find out that she sold them the might before! It's bad enough to make that trip when you get something, but when you just took a 10 hour joy ride. I wanted to attack her.

CL is like any other means to buy and sell. It working well depends on communication and a certain amount of trust. Had a buyer offered to send me a money order and I accepted, I would've waited a few days before I worked with another buyer. That's only fair, since I verbally accepted payment was coming.