Differences Between Speed Queen TL Series 9 and TC5000

[iiijohnnymaciii]

"The Series 9 fills to the selected water level; score 1 for it. The TC5000, however, fills with the actual water temp selected. The Series 9: If warm or hot water is selected, it fills with a few inches of warm water, then switches to cold for the remainder of the fill. Score 1 for the TC."

My 2017 9 series fills with whatever temperature is selected for the entirety of the fill.

 

[frigilux]

Hi John-- Are you sure your Series 9 SQ fills with the selected temp on the Normal/Eco cycle? That's the only cycle that fills with a few inches of warm water, then switches to cold for the remainder of the fill. All other cycles fill completely with the selected temp.

 

[iiijohnnymaciii]

“Hi John-- Are you sure your Series 9 SQ fills with the selected temp on the Normal/Eco cycle? That's the only cycle that fills with a few inches of warm water, then switches to cold for the remainder of the fill. All other cycles fill completely with the selected temp. “

I stand corrected! Wow! On Eco it did change to cold after 3 inches of water. And hot was only warm.

 

[ladd]

On the TC5000, while using the ECO cycle and selecting HOT as the water fill temp, it does, in fact, fill with hot water for only about 30 seconds then switches over to cold.

HOWEVER!

If, while using the ECO cycle, you additionally select "Extra Rinse", the water temperature will remain hot for the full fill cycle.

No change to the rinse temps, which remain cold.

 

[frigilux]

Thanks for that clarification! I have never selected an extra rinse when using the Normal Eco cycle. I use that cycle specifically for the water-saving spray rinses.

I’m going to choose an extra rinse to see if that makes the Series 9 fill with the selected wash temp. It seems that choosing an extra rinse basically replicates the Heavy Duty cycle with an extra rinse.

 

[frigilux]

Normal Eco Cycle Series 9: Unlike the TC5000, which Ladd reports fills with the selected wash temp if you choose the extra rinse option, my 2017 Series 9 fills with a few inches of warm water and then shifts to cold for the remainder of the fill, even if you choose 1, 2, or 3 extra rinses.

And now we know!

 

[mp]

TC5000 skipping to final spin

When I had asked the following question of SpeedQueen about their TC5: “Can I cancel the cycle as soon as the initial spin (the one after the wash cycle) is over and then start a new wash cycle to act in place of the rinse cycle?” I was told “No. There is a chance of hindering the computer and where it is at.”) I don't know what that is supposed to mean. Anyone have an idea?

I was glad to read the following below: "I CAN pass along the tip, if you don't already know it, on how at any point in a cycle you can cancel the cycle and go straight to final spin." Thank you for this information. I suppose that it is the only thing I can do if I want to skip the Rinse portion of a cycle (and not waste all that water) in order to use a Wash cycle in place of the Rinse. In this way I can get a warmer rinse in the wintertime when my tap water is 40 degrees.
Unless someone has another idea?
I see from videos that the fill up for the Rinse starts when the Spin hasn't even completed. In general if there is some water in the drum when one skips to the Final Spin, will the machine drain it first or just drain it as part of the Spin?

Does anyone know if "playing around" with the controls, in other words- pausing and cancelling etc. on every cycle, so that I can get the temperatures that I like for the Wash (usually somewhere between Hot and Warm) and the Rinse (something warmer than tap cold) will make the control board wear out prematurely? -Thanks!

 

[combo52]

TC5000 Skipping To Finel Spin ?

I am not sure entirely what your question is, but you cannot hurt the controls by switching cycles around, you may also just add some hot water to the deep rinse with a hose if you want to but it will not rinse any better.

 

John

 

[mp]

TC5000 skipping to final spin

John: Thanks so much for responding. Of course he may be wrong, but after reading online that warm water rinses out detergent better than cold, I checked with a friend who is a chemist and he agrees that this is basically true. I need to replace a 20 year old Whirlpool that I would turn back to the wash cycle to fill with cool water (as opposed to the frigid water that comes from cold tap in the winter) for the rinse cycle. I don't have a laundry sink to get hot water.

May I ask why you feel adding hot water won't help it rinse better? Do you think 40 degree water can effectively rinse detergent out of clothes?

If I do wish to use a wash cycle in place of the rinse cycle, do you have a better recommendation than cancelling the cycle as the rinse water starts to fill and skip to the final spin, start a new wash cycle and after that is over, skip to the final spin again? (technically I'd be doing an extra spin after the wash cycle and an extra final spin.)
BTW, as the washer is filling with water, does one have to press the start/pause button to pause the cycle in order to change the water temperature (for example, to get a temperature somewhere between hot and warm) or does moving the dial accomplish this w/o pressing the start/pause button?
Thanks so much.

 

[combo52]

Warm Water might Rinse a tiny bit better

BUT, no detergent manufacturer or washer manufacturer the world over recommends doing so, So there is probably very little positive effect over not rinsing in cold water water.

 

If you use a hot wash as you should for best cleaning with minimal detergent the machine and clothing will be hot enough to warm up the rinse somewhat anyway.

 

Using a warm rinse also encourages mold and bacteria Growth in your clean clothing and the washer as well, cold water helps keep bacteria at bay. 

 

Not wasting hot water for rinsing is a simple and effective step to help prevent serious climate change without giving up much if anything.

 

John L.

 

[mp]

Warm Water might Rinse a tiny bit better

Thanks, John. I hear what you are saying about the warm water rinse. Except for the summer months, on my current machine, when the rinse cycle starts, I move the dial back temporarily to the wash cycle to get a warmer rinse than I would get on the rinse cycle, but I do not put in warm water. I put in a combination of warm and cold water to get it to be approx 60-65 degrees. Otherwise in the winter, the cold is 40 degrees or even a little less. When detergent manufacturers speak about rinsing in cold, they always equate cold with about 60 degrees. If my tap cold never fell below 60 degrees, I wouldn't be trying to find a way to use the wash cycle for the rinse cycle on the Speed Queen. Before I purchase it I want to be sure I can do that as I am not confident that I can rinse the clothes in 40 degrees. (I don't wash on straight hot and some loads need cool water so the clothes won't be warming the water much.)

If I do wish to use a wash cycle in place of the rinse cycle, my only idea is to cancel the cycle as the rinse water starts to fill and skip to the final spin by holding down the pause/start button for many seconds, then start a new wash cycle and after that is over, skip to the final spin again. Technically I'd be doing an extra spin after the wash cycle and an extra final spin. I would love to hear if you have a better idea!
Thanks so much

 

[kenwashesmonday]

If you wash in hot, rinsing in cold will shock the fabric and shrink it.  When I wash in hot water, I rinse in warm.  When I wash in warm, I rinse in cold.

 

[combo52]

Cold Or Warm rinsing ?

Hi M, where have you seen it said that detergent and appliance makers say cold rinses are 60F ?

 

Hi Ken, I guess that if washing in hot water and rinsing in cold shocks and shrinks clothing millions of people the world over must be destroying their damp clothing by ironing it with a hot iron, I have never heard such nonsense, LOL

 

John L.

 

[mp]

Cold Or Warm rinsing ?

Mostly thru contacting manufacturers of Tide and Persil and also either reading manuals of different washers or doing "chats" with the companies (I forget which one.)

 

[dylanmitchell]

Tap water here is 60-80 degrees

Tap water here comes in at 60-70 degrees and can be over 75 degrees in the summer, so almost every load is done with cold water. Sun heats water in above ground municipal strorage tanks and our pipes re only a foot or two deep so they absorb heat too. It's also common to see washing machines and water heaters in unheated garages.

 

[DADoES]

 
75°F isn't sufficient to qualify as warm and surely not as hot.

Tap water here can be in the upper 80°Fs or higher in summer.  I don't wash in cold water even in those conditions.

 

[panasonicvac]

Very interesting thread

I'm glad I was able to come across reading the differences between the old 2017 models and the new TC5. A couple years ago, I was very fortunate enough to use two AWN412SP111TW01 washers (I'm not sure how old they really were but they look like one of their 2017 models) for half a year. It was my very first SQ experience and also my first discovery about SQ. Boy where have I been all these years lol, these instantly became my new favorite washers since using my grandparent's Kenmore 90 Series. I was disappointed to hear about the performances of the new TR series, a year ago I recommended my uncle a SQ and that's what he ended up getting. It wasn't shortly until I found out SQ had completely redesigned their top load washers and I was worried that my uncle went with one of the TR models. But he and his wife have been really pleased with it so far. I don't know which one they got but hopefully sometime this year I will find out for sure. I will be very surprised if it is in fact one of the TR models but I'm hoping that it's a TC5 because I would very much like to try it out for myself. I'm very interested in getting one for my own place one of these days. If not, then I would be interested to look into one of their used 2017 models or older like this set that I've used last year. I don't know what models both of them were. Maybe a SQ expert can help identify them? I think they were from 1995 based on the energy guide label from the washer.