DishDrawer Video

[DADoES]

 
DishwasherCrazy/Mike's Briva video prompted me to do a DishDrawer video for comparison. A handful of people saw my DD run some years ago and a few others at that time asked for a video ... so here finally it's done.

It's much quieter with the drawer closed. The lid motor runs longer than normal at the start since it's not contacting/sealing against the drawer. Fill is not timed, correct water level is sensed by when the pump is primed. Fill is done at 1:15 when the pump goes to full speed and spray pressure increases.

The (upper drawer) spray arm seen in the video is changed from the original. Sorry I didn't turn the arm before starting so both sides could be seen. The original arm has fewer spray holes of larger size. My lower drawer is still the original-style arm. There's a spray nozzle on bottom of the arm that continually flushes over the filter plate.

The machine was bought August 2003 has not (yet) needed any repairs.
 
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[pulsator]

GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!

I love that! It has a much more powerful spray than I would have thought!!!

 

[a440]

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: medium;">I agree with Jamie!</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: medium;">I would have never thought that the spray was so darn strong!</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: medium;">Did this spray keep up with all of the models?</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: medium;">Thanks Glen for the video.</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: medium;">I am really impressed!</span>

<span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: medium;">Brent</span>

 

[ozzie908]

Excellant video

I have the same machine and it is in my opinion one of the best and economical dishwashers I have ever owned as we are on a water meter that is something to consider these days. Anyway what I am intrigued to know is how did you fool the machine into thinking the drawer was closed? Mine beeps if not shut properly something to with a light tube on the side I believe?
Austin

 

[tlee618]

Glenn, thanks so much for the video. I have always thought the drawers were a fantastic idea. How long does a complete cycle take?

 

[aldspinboy]

Gleen Here are the spray arms that you have... I got the first generation one from a system at work .

Great Video !

Is that on Normal or Heavy cycle.... ? Being that Paykel Dishdrawers have Multispeeds spray for each cycle sprays hardest on heavy lighter on Delicate.

Also the big hole in the upper part of the arm has a piece of metal in to deflect the water I beleave downwards to hold the arm in..

so it is not to fly off. 

 

 

Darren k

 

[volsboy1]

I am also shocked at the power of it,I thought from looking at the motor compared to Jenn-Air or Kitchenaid that there would be no contest.The only reason I picked out the Kitchenaid is cause it has a grinder in the drain pump and there is a spray bracket on top side,but the main wash motor looks kinda like a Frigidaire motor from Italy the Askoll version in ours well not mine my Moms chalet,house,in Coosawattee in Ellijay.

 

[DADoES]

 
Normal cycle, first fill/prewash. Normal & Heavy run at the same spray pressure far as I know. Heavy is at higher temperatures. I have not visually compared the spray on Delicate, which is lower pressure. Lightweight items can get flipped over if not anchored, and some loads may be "noisy" due to items being jostled.

I bought a spare-parts tub-home prism to trigger the infrared light tube sensor with the drawer open.

Cycle times range from 38 mins to 132 mins, and may vary within that depending on water heating time. 12 mins for Rinse/hold.

I think the revised arm cleans a little better and consistently throughout the tub area. It may be quieter, but the upper drawer runs a little quieter by nature. I should swap the revised arm to the bottom for sound comparison.

 

[aldspinboy]

Thanks Gleen the sounds of the spray arms are definitely different.

The one with the larger holes has a stronger sweeping sound in your drawer.

The other one is much quiter thou you still here nice water sounds.

I have a breakdown on the cycles,  temps, promo stuff ,etc chart somewhere hopefully at some point I will post this.

I'm so glad that your machines are standing up !!! F & P gets so much hell at times but I thank they can be an excellent companey when all the kinks are out.

 

 

Darren k

 

[maytagbear]

Glenn- thank you for posting this

I have always wondered about the Dish Drawers.

If I ever have/had them, I would want two individual drawers- one on the right side of the sink, and one on the left side of the sink, instead of the stacked configuration.

I think they would be just the thing for a Kosher/Halal household!

Lawrence/Maytagbear

 

[yogitunes]

Thanks a million......I always wondered about the power of these.....I have the stacked set, and in the remodel, I want another added to the other side of the sink, but I do mis that it does not have a disposer, so a little pre-rinsing is necessary, the ability of having seperate drawers for small loads, pots and pans, fine china, and actually usuing minimal water with good results......

these come with a 2 year warranty......had one motor unit replaced, while under coverage, I tend to favor the top unit.....

only ever had one issue, of the flex cable that supports the hose and wires in the rear snapped in half, and with Glenn's excellent help, made the repair and unit back running in minutes.....

I like F&P's top load dryer, especially the self cleaning filter for constant high air flow, but they seem so cheap with all the plastic they use on the outter cabinets of their laundry line up....

 

[appnut]

I think Glenn bought that tub-home prism in preparation for gettogether at Glenn's in June, 2007 when Scott55405 came to visit.  Glenn kept teasing about a "forbidden cycle" I was going to get to see.  I just had no clue.  It loks like there wasn't much, if any dishes in the machine.  I would have loved to be able to wtch a whole cycle with it filled to capacity.  It's a fascdinating machine.  As is the topload F&P dryer, and the F&P washer too. 

 

[autowasherfreak]

I enjoy the "forbidden" cycle videos.  It' fun to see what actually happens inside of dishwashers.

 

[verizonbear]

F and P quality control

I am buying a foreclosure property that needs the kitchen gutted, I saw a double drawer model at sears , 800 bucks for the floor model. I heard these had issues in the past, has F and P improved its quality control?

 

[lavamat_jon]

Glenn - what an interesting video.  Really am surprised at how powerful that spray is - really does sweep across the entire drawer.

 

Jon

 

[variflexpghpa]

Running w/drawer open

I have the KA version, and am totally curious how you got the drawer to operate open. Did you access a service mode?

 

[variflexpghpa]

PS

Read thru the balance of the tread and saw that you added a tub home prism.
I am going to do that too

 

[combo52]

DISH DRAWERS

Phil the KA for the last three years or so and all the KM DD DW are made by WP in the US. The WP built machines are much better built than the FP design but clean even worse than the FP design.

 

To me the DD DW are the ultimate toy or maybe as an extra DW at the bar for glasses. But I have no use for any machine that I have to pre-rinse for, that takes over two hours and won't dry dishes without covering dishes with rinse aid slime. The reliability of the F & P machines has been among the worst of any DW on the market in the US. Last year I threw three double DDs away that we had kept at the warehouse, two of them worked fine but the customers got sick and tired of getting them fixed and I decided that I would not wish them on anybody.

 

[DADoES]

 
It's always interesting how there's a wide disparity between the experiences different people have with the same model appliance.

As stated above, my machine is over 7 years old and hasn't needed any repairs thus far.

I don't prerinse. Scrape/dump off the chunks, yes. Prerinse, no. I started a load just now, which items have been sitting between 3 days and overnight before washing. Is 2- or 3-day-old dried microwaved oatmeal considered a challenge? Probably not.

I don't know the cycle times on the latest model, but the only cycle on mine that's over 2 hrs is Heavy at 132 mins. Normal and Heavy-Eco are close. Any cycle can go a bit longer than the default depending on water heating, but in my experience even with tap-cold incoming water the time increase either isn't all that much, or I don't notice it enough to be a storm cloud hanging over my day.

Heavy (132 mins) - wash, rinse, rinse, wash 150°F, rinse, rinse, rinse 163°F, dry
Heavy-Eco (112 mins) - wash, rinse, wash 140°F, rinse, rinse, rinse 150°F, dry

Normal (115 mins) - wash, rinse, wash 140°F, rinse, rinse 150°F, dry
Normal-Eco (88 mins) - wash or rinse, wash 125°F, rinse, rinse 125°F, dry

Delicate (86 mins) - wash or rinse, wash 120°F, rinse, rinse 130°F, dry
Delicate-Eco (72 mins) - wash or rinse, wash 115°F, rinse, rinse 125°F, dry

Fast (56 mins) - wash or rinse, wash 115°F, rinse, rinse 115°F
Fast-Eco (38 mins) - wash 105°F, rinse, rinse 105°F
(There is no formal dry period on Fast or Fast-Eco, although I believe the blower runs on Fast for 5 mins with the lid closed.)