DishDrawer
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I've bought a DD603SS on 8/22/2003, installed it a few days later on the weekend.
It cleans quite well. The Heavy Duty cycle heats the main wash to 150°F and the final rinse to 163°F (I believe the latest model revision has upped those temps a couple degrees). The spray is quite strong, it can easily upturn lightweight plastic cups and bowls if they aren't anchored. The motor runs between 2,500 and 2,800 RPM for recirculation, and 4,200 RPM for drain.
I find the loading to be quite versatile, and the drawers hold more than one initially expects. Large items such as cookie sheets, 11x14 baking pans, pots and skillets can be a bit challenging to arrange compared to traditional dishwashers, but I always manage to get them in. I can fit in my 16" microwave turntable by balancing it atop other items. Part of the trick is to think "inside the drawer" at how the water spray can get around, through, and between to other items.
That being said, DishDrawers may not be a good 'fit' for people who do a lot of cooking/baking unless they're not opposed to running smaller loads more often as compared to filling up a traditional dishwasher through the day . . . and if they don't have any pots/pans/utensils that really are too large to fit.
Here are links to a couple pics. The first one is a typical 'random-load, stuff-it-in' situation. The second is a posed picture for someone in another forum who asked about loading lots of bowls.
Random load
Bowls
And here are a few more pictures showing some of the mechanism. The full-size version of the first picture got munged somehow and I haven't replaced it.
It cleans quite well. The Heavy Duty cycle heats the main wash to 150°F and the final rinse to 163°F (I believe the latest model revision has upped those temps a couple degrees). The spray is quite strong, it can easily upturn lightweight plastic cups and bowls if they aren't anchored. The motor runs between 2,500 and 2,800 RPM for recirculation, and 4,200 RPM for drain.
I find the loading to be quite versatile, and the drawers hold more than one initially expects. Large items such as cookie sheets, 11x14 baking pans, pots and skillets can be a bit challenging to arrange compared to traditional dishwashers, but I always manage to get them in. I can fit in my 16" microwave turntable by balancing it atop other items. Part of the trick is to think "inside the drawer" at how the water spray can get around, through, and between to other items.
That being said, DishDrawers may not be a good 'fit' for people who do a lot of cooking/baking unless they're not opposed to running smaller loads more often as compared to filling up a traditional dishwasher through the day . . . and if they don't have any pots/pans/utensils that really are too large to fit.
Here are links to a couple pics. The first one is a typical 'random-load, stuff-it-in' situation. The second is a posed picture for someone in another forum who asked about loading lots of bowls.
Random load
Bowls
And here are a few more pictures showing some of the mechanism. The full-size version of the first picture got munged somehow and I haven't replaced it.
Thanks
Thanks for the info. I have seen them in the stores, but have not run into anyone with one. Is it quiet like the F&P washer? How about the drying ability at the end of the cycle? Sorry to ask so many questions, but I am excited to find someone who has used one!!! Todd
Thanks for the info. I have seen them in the stores, but have not run into anyone with one. Is it quiet like the F&P washer? How about the drying ability at the end of the cycle? Sorry to ask so many questions, but I am excited to find someone who has used one!!! Todd
Yes, they run pretty quiet. There is a 'bumping' factor that comes into play with lightweight items, which most all of my loads have a few plastic butter bowls. Otherwise, the noisest part of the cycle is the drain periods, when the impeller is churning in the water left in the sump.
There is a drying blower, but the air is not heated, it depends on evaporation and residual heat from the final rinse (and rinse agent, which is electronically adjustable to five levels). Higher temps give better drying, of course. The drawer lid remains sealed and the blower runs for varying times depending on the cycle (28 mins on Heavy Duty, none at all on Fast). Then the lid unseals and the blower continues to run for 30 mins or until the drawer is opened. The latest engineering revision (according to the user guide I've seen) includes an "enhanced drying performance" option which leaves the lid sealed and blower running for four hours. Mine doesn't have that option. For best drying results, I usually open the drawer after the cycle officially ends and leave it ajar overnight. But even so, the majority of residual moisture evaporates in an hour or so. Sometimes if I'm around when the drying phase starts, I cancel it and fully open the drawer for a 'flash-dry' effect.
There is a drying blower, but the air is not heated, it depends on evaporation and residual heat from the final rinse (and rinse agent, which is electronically adjustable to five levels). Higher temps give better drying, of course. The drawer lid remains sealed and the blower runs for varying times depending on the cycle (28 mins on Heavy Duty, none at all on Fast). Then the lid unseals and the blower continues to run for 30 mins or until the drawer is opened. The latest engineering revision (according to the user guide I've seen) includes an "enhanced drying performance" option which leaves the lid sealed and blower running for four hours. Mine doesn't have that option. For best drying results, I usually open the drawer after the cycle officially ends and leave it ajar overnight. But even so, the majority of residual moisture evaporates in an hour or so. Sometimes if I'm around when the drying phase starts, I cancel it and fully open the drawer for a 'flash-dry' effect.
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We too have the Dishdrawer and I have to say that I am in love with it. My partner and I got it since we figured it was nice looking and economial to run. I dont feel guilty about running it half full if I am in need of something. I use one drawer..the bottom for my pots and pans and really grundgy stuff. The other is used for everyday stuff.
I do notice and Scott did too that the dishwasher is so powerful that it is taking the teflon off the pans. I have not had one load emerge from these machines dirty..in fact most loads shine like pots and pans and glasses.
I too was amazed at how simple the machine was and how it ramps up the power during the wash cycles. We have the long fan dry which continues long after the dishwasher is done and when I pull the drawer open its not locked down.
Mike
I do notice and Scott did too that the dishwasher is so powerful that it is taking the teflon off the pans. I have not had one load emerge from these machines dirty..in fact most loads shine like pots and pans and glasses.
I too was amazed at how simple the machine was and how it ramps up the power during the wash cycles. We have the long fan dry which continues long after the dishwasher is done and when I pull the drawer open its not locked down.
Mike
Yikes, Richie don't let Gary read this!!!!!!
Hmmmmm. I wonder what that means??
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F & P drawers
So what is the advantage that F & P touts for their drawer system as opposed to traditional dishwashers? And do their claims ring true? Anybody found any DIS-advantages to the drawer system compared to traditional types?
So what is the advantage that F & P touts for their drawer system as opposed to traditional dishwashers? And do their claims ring true? Anybody found any DIS-advantages to the drawer system compared to traditional types?
We have the DD's overhere now too. There is one big advantage to them and that is the price. They are so expensive (at least right now). I saw them for 2249 euros which is $2743.- That would buy me two very nice Miele dishwashers.
Price
When they were first released over here, they were about $2500AUD
Now for a white set they're down to a bit over $1000AUD SS is about $1200AUD so over 3 or 4 years, they have come down in price.
Other than getting used to the new loading arrangement, there isnt a lot thats negative to say about them.
A lady who I used to help out with house stuff she couldnt do herself anymore had one, and the only quirk I found, was that she had low water pressure. You'd adjust the dishdrawer for Low pressure, it'd work a few times, and then it would complain that you had high water pressure and you'd need to adjust it again. Its just an electronic change, so its no biggy, but F&P could never find out why. (Water Pressure was constant) She had it for 3 years or so up until she died, and other than that quirk, it worked perfectly.
They're very nice machines.
When they were first released over here, they were about $2500AUD
Now for a white set they're down to a bit over $1000AUD SS is about $1200AUD so over 3 or 4 years, they have come down in price.
Other than getting used to the new loading arrangement, there isnt a lot thats negative to say about them.
A lady who I used to help out with house stuff she couldnt do herself anymore had one, and the only quirk I found, was that she had low water pressure. You'd adjust the dishdrawer for Low pressure, it'd work a few times, and then it would complain that you had high water pressure and you'd need to adjust it again. Its just an electronic change, so its no biggy, but F&P could never find out why. (Water Pressure was constant) She had it for 3 years or so up until she died, and other than that quirk, it worked perfectly.
They're very nice machines.
I paid $1,349 +tax a year ago for double-drawer SS, which is still the MSRP far as I know. At the time, that was also what I found at several on-line sources, and that's the current price @ Lowes.com
