dishwasher depth question

[dalangdon]

A new wrinkle has arisen in the "new" kitchen: The original tile counters are not as deep as today's counters - only about 22" deep (I don't have the exact measurements in front of me, and we don't have unfettered access to the house yet)

Does anyone know if there are dishwashers that are not as deep as the standard depth? I really don't want to mess with those counters if I can help it - they are way cool.

 

[gansky1]

European models are sometimes a little 'shallower' than American models. I've seen where, if there's room on either side of the appliance, people will build it out a little bit to accomodate a dishwasher. How far the counter extends over the front of the d/w will be a consideration as well.

With that cool new Mobile Maid, why would you want anything else? ;-)

 

[michaelman2]

Hey Dan...I don't know how large of a load you will need to wash..but how about a Briva that will fit into the existing sink. That will do 5 place settings also large pans and when not in use you can use the top as counter space.

 

[shanonabc]

The briva looks cool

 

[kenmore1978]

counter depth

I imagine some trim pieces could be applied to take up the extra 2 inches and cover the part of the dishwasher tub that protrudes out.

 

[appnut]

Dan, it appears European dishwashers only need a depth of about 23", American ones about 25".

 

[dalangdon]

KitchenAid dishwasher drawers

It looks like the KA dishwasher drawer model will fit in the space earmarked for the dishwasher. Anybody have any thoughts or experience on them? They are *hellishly* expensive, but the have the dimensions that work for this situation - besides, I think I can get an architect friend of mine to work me a discount (he owes me ;-)

If this doesn't work, we will have to go with an 18" model (it turns out we have both width and depth issues), and I don't want to do that.

http://www.kitchenaid.com/catalog/category.jsp?categoryId=887

 

[appnut]

Dan, KA sources those from Fisher Paykel. There are some racking differences between the two brands. Also, the biggest difference is this: On the F&P, the "eco" option lower the water temp set points in the cycles. With the KA, the lower temps are default and the high temp option raises the temps to pretty much what the F&P's default modes are. DADoES has a set and has had them for about 2 or 3 years. Some love 'em some hate 'em. Bob

 

[chachp]

Dishwasher drawers

I thought about the drawers when I bought this house and decided against them mostly because of my lifestyle and how I use the dishwasher. I cook with a lot of large bowls and pans all of which I put in the dishwasher. I thought that with the drawers I'd end up having to run a cycle for one large bowl and a few other things which seemed like a waste to me.

My last dishwasher was a Bosch with the hidden controls and I really liked it. So much so, when I bought this house I put in a Kenmore Elite that was made by Bosch. It has the exact same cycles and interior, and the upgraded racking. The main difference I have found is the outside styling has more of a Euro kind of look to it. It's turning out to be a great dishwasher. The look was what sold my partner on this one as compared to another Bosch. Price wise it was about the same as the Bosch equivalent. I really do like the look of it, but the peformance is what is important to me and this one delivers.

I think it really depends on how you use the dishwasher. Of course if you keep that great KitchenAid as a backup, you could have the best of both worlds! You really will pay a premium for the KA or F&P drawers unless you can get a pretty hefty discount through someone.

 

[chachp]

BTW!

Forgot to tell you the most important part. Mine required a depth of 23 9/16 inches according to the doc. I have standard kitchen cabinets and the installer was able to install mine flush with the cabinets when the old one stuck out about an inch or so from the cabinets.

 

[foraloysius]

Ralph,

Could you explain what you mean by "more of a Euro kind of look"? I had a look at both Bosch and Kenmore Elite dishwashers and I don't see what's so more European about the Kenmore. I realize though that a "European look" might be just a label for a particular way of styling.

Louis

 

[chachp]

I really wanted a Miele dishwasher but I live in a very small city in Central Arkansas. I was worried about getting it serviced if I had a problem. This dishwasher had a look very similar to a Miele which we liked. Having had a good experience with the Bosch, I decided to take a chance on the Kenmore Elite made by Bosch. I guess I thought I would get the best of both worlds.

I did a little more research and according to the Sears website this dishwasher only needs a depth of 22 7/16". The Installation guide says 23 9/16". Either way I think it will fit well in a 23" space. I didn't think to measure the depth of my cupboards before the machine went in but I don't have any reason to think they are not a "standard" depth whatever that might be.

Here are a couple of photos so dalangdon could see how well it fits into a standard cupboard. When the installer was putting it in, he could have pushed it back a little further if he wanted. He had to pull it out a little bit to get it to be flush. My point is, I think it could fit well in the smaller space dalangdon has at about half the cost of the dishdrawers. There is a photo of the front of the machine as well so you can see what I mean about having the look we wanted.

http://www.chachp.com/keDishwasher/index.html

 

[dalangdon]

it's width as well as depth

Just about the only place we can realistically put a dishwasher - and even that's not very realistic - is right next to the sink, and there is just barely 23.5" of width there, which is why we are considering the drawers, as they are only 23.5" wide.

Worst case scenario is that we get an 18". There is a GE spacemaker at Sears that looks like a nice unit. Trouble is, I like to throw dinner parties, and I don't want to be running the dishwasher all night But on the other hand, it's not very expensive.

 

[foraloysius]

Measure again and again, according to the F&P website and the installation instructions the Dishdrawers are 23-7/16"wide. On the Bosch website you can see that Bosch dishwashers are 23-9/16"wide.

If you really need an 18 inch dishwasher and you have the money for it, you should have a look at the Miele 18" machines. They have a third rack for flatware which means that there is more space in the bottom rack. In general they hold more than other 18" dishwashers. They come with a pricetag though.

 

[chachp]

18

I had one in a rental in Chicago for a couple of years and it was OK if that's all you have room for. I agree with the suggestion to get the Miele if you can because of the third rack. Mine had the silverware basket in the middle of the lower rack and that took valuable space. The biggest issue I found with the 18" was it would not accommodate larger bowls and pans. But again, the 18" is better than none at all in my opinion.

I think mine was a Westinghouse and as I recall it cleaned well.

 

[toggleswitch]

If you want to go American (read: save $)....

The GE 18 incher is all SS on the inside and seems to be OK even though it is a Chinese import. Good thing is, with a GE badge, parts will theoreticaly be avaialble for a long while to come. Also no annoying cutouts or towers as the Frigidaire and other badges of that persuation have in their lower rack.

When I got rid of my 18 incher that came with the house.
(RIDIULOUSLY small and ran it many times a day) I had to move a cabinet over a mere 2.5 inches to get it to fit. Still it was worth the effort to have a std 24 incher, IMHO.

 

[appnut]

Bosch is supposed to release an 18" model to the U.S. market in November.

 

[dalangdon]

Here's the situation

The cabinet between the sink and the drawers is the likely target area. From the board that supports the drawers to the side wall of the sink is just a scooch over 23 3/4 inches. The height is maximum 33 3/4 inches, and the depth is 23"

The standard Bosch is minimum 33 7/8 high, 23 9/16 wide and 22 7/16 deep, and can hook up from the side. It may just fit if we strip the floor under it down to the subfloor (no biggie - look at that horrid vinyl) and move the door to the sink over just a tad. If that fails, maybe we can buy it a girdle ;-)

 

[toggleswitch]

Sounds like a great plan.

Moving the sink door over a scoche S/B OK... and not too difficult.

Rotsa Ruck