Dishwashers losing popularity in US Homes???

[Chetlaham]

I can scan the 810 and 712 charts in a few hours. Might want to start another thread with this originally being a dishwasher topic.

I would be more than interested!


You want to start the thread or me? What should I name it?

 

[spinspeed]

I love my Fisher and Paykel double dish drawer. For just the two of us it works really well running smaller loads once or twice a day. Even on the quickly wash it gives great results. My biggest peeve is if I drop a spoon or something and it drops thru the rack it is difficult to retrieve especially if the rack is fully loaded. I could not go back to washing dishes by hand.

 

[laundryguysf]

I've been told because I'm only one person household that I don't need all the pots and pans that I have or silverware and whatever else...... What I say though is that when I cook I also bring food to others when I can or I share it. I noticed those comments come from people who don't like to cook much.

So, you're only one person. What the hell does that have to do with anything? I am just one person. But I like to entertain. I often have 12 or more guests for dinner. I definitely need all the pots and pans, dishes, flatware and serving pieces that I have. My dishes have 24 full place settings. I would never try to tell someone how much of anything they need. And I would love for someone try to tell me what or how much of anything I should have.

 

[pstehle]

I read that article, and conclude that it's just propoganda, spiced up with a decent helping of bullcrap.
If anything is going to increase sales of any appliance made these days, it's because they need replacing much more frequently because the stuff is made like a teenager's high school project - AKA junk.

That article also glamorizes "Smart" appliances, which many think is just another hunk of bait for the consumer to bite on.

Ya gotta love marketing these days... full of bullcrap.

I absolutely HATE being marketed at... the goal is to tout anything that might be seen as an asset, and utterly conceal anything that might detract, up to and including the point of lying in most cases. It's getting so bad that my employer's HR department thinks they can cook up any cockamamie notion to sugar coat something that takes money out of our pockets, and puts it into theirs... increasing our share of company car lease payments came with a tale that they "had to, because the IRS required it"... total nonsense with a straight face! They've been lying to customers for so long, they don't think we know any better, either...

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Maybe "one person" and "marketing" mean a small, narrow 24" or a Ling-Temco...



-- Dave

 

[wayupnorth]

I live alone and fill my dishwasher thru the week and its always packed full by Sunday night and I will run my 30 year Whirlpool. The dishes are clean and dry the next morning, and yes, I rinse off most everything before loading

 

[gelaundry4ever]

That, plus more younger people not getting married and living a single life without children.

I'd rather have one. I have a brand new LG dishwasher which I kiss every day because it cleans and dries so well.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

There are at least three houses I know of in my block that don't have dishwashers. When my neighbor Marilynn and her late husband renovated their kitchen they took out the machine that was there when they moved in. They preferred the cabinet space.

I would've taken that dishwasher if given the chance.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I've noticed that the neighbor without a dishwasher has Pyrex that is over 60 years old, and still looks new - no fading of the color finish. The same with her Regal cookware. Another neighbor (now deceased) who also did hand dishwashing had new looking 50 year old Pyrex and Ekco Flint cookware. We had a machine starting in 1958, and our colored Pyrex and Revere Ware looked dull.

I have a brand new LG dishwasher. I don't pre rinse, and everything comes out shiny and like new. I stick with Finish Ultimate and Finish Jet Dry. At last, a real dishwasher in a modern package. The jury is still out. So far, I'm loving it.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I couldn’t agree more. There’s very few things that I like less than the feeling that my hands have after about 15 minutes worth of exposure to dish water. The only things I’ll hand wash are things that either don’t come clean in the DW (I.E. pans with stuck on egg), or things that aren’t DW safe.



Truth. I used to work at an appliance repair company, and we condemned so many dishwashers that it was not even funny. Most of them were only about 5-8 years old too. In fact, I recently scrapped a 2017 G.E. Dishwasher that was given to me with a bad UI. Today’s DWs really do seem to have about the same longevity as a crappy pen. That’s one of the main reasons my collection now includes a 1985 KitchenAid.

Thatwasherguy.

So far, my LG dishwasher cleans like a Whirlpool Power Clean. I put everything in dirty, and it doesn't even skip a beat. I think finish works the best. At least that is what I experienced. I use their highest end ultimate detergent and finish jet dry rinse aid. They clean as good as they smell. No mor washing dishes by hand, finally.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

To each his own, but I cook a lot and rely on my dishwasher. I feel the dishwasher does a far superior job than I can do by hand and frankly I did way too many dishes by hand growing up, so I will never hand wash again.

My sentiments exactly. I don't know what I'd do without a dishwasher. I don't care if it's fancy or ugly. I will use it regardless.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I use ours on a day-to-day basis, usually prefer to hand wash pots and pans, and items I don't want etched. It does an admiral job on flatware, and gets dishes clean without problems. I don't think I'd want to do all my dishes every day by hand... I also disagree with the standard line that you use substantially more water washing dishes by hand. We grew up with a conservative dad who harped about every light, every drop of water, so I learned to be careful with resources. If you simply turn the hot water on and let it run until you've finished with the dishes, then yes, you do use way more...

My dishwasher does more of a superior job than I EVER could in my life.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

A neighbor never hand washes a dish! Of course now she is 81, so it took decades before she had the luxury.

I purposefully leave food and grease on my dishes after scraping everything off that can be stored in a food container so that the detergents will do their job. In my experience, my dishwasher loves to work hard. I refuse to baby any dishwasher I own or use. If my LG ever gets smothered, caked, or smeared and even splattered with food grease and dissolveable bits, so be it. I know my dishwasher will be able to handle it due to the sensors and powerful jets, in addition to the detergent and rinse aid I use. Now that's a real dishwasher. Oh, and I do maintenance on it.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I love automatic dishwashers.

I've loved them since 1962 when I met my first dishwashers in the building where we lived.

I use my dishwasher all the time; I believe all the data that says that dishwashers (even the old ones) are more energy and water efficient, sanitary and convenient than doing them by hand unless one happens to be extremely efficient and obeys all the Serve Safe rules.

This is why I have a small collection of vintage dishwashers because I think current selections are ridiculously expensive, pre-crippled by built-in obsolescence and take too f**king long to do the job. Also they're boring and monotonous, no color, stainless steel exteriors, monochromatic interiors (you may laugh at that but visual appeal still has importance to folks like me). The only good thing I can say about them is that they are unbelievably quiet. I am 68 years old and I will likely have KitchenAid and Maytag machines in my kitchen till they remove me from my house, feet first, if I'm lucky.

My vintage dishwashers not only do a great job on my tableware, but they can become the best damn proof-boxes for baking artisan and other yeast products because of their ability to create a humid, not-too-warm sealed environment for home bakers. And when you see that bitch Martha talking about it on any of her venues, she got that from me.

I question the claims of their efficiency because, even if they're ridiculously stingy with water, a cycle that takes two hours or more cannot be energy efficient in my opinion.View attachment 318460

I like the powerful sounds of my LG. It sounds like a thunderstorm going on inside.

 

[vacerator]

My dad was a service tech and used to recommend a quarter cup of vegetable oil in the dishwasher occasionally to help keep the pump and seals lubed.

 

[mat_l]

Dishwashers losing popularity in US Homes???​

It makes sense and if true says more about life in the US than many realise at first glance.

Dishwashers were a blessing for homes that were hubs of serious production. Mistakenly remembered as just 3 meals a day, where as making things from scratch is almost a never-ending cascade of processing food- repurposing each step's byproducts into more and more items to get the most out of everything. Dishwashers existence was a result of that world. The dishwashers of this earlier time really only exist today in commercial dishwashers - designed for quick throughput and super hot water.

Dishwashers ubiquity ironically came as their absolute necessity was diminishing. Domestic food was changing from processing & cooking, to little more than assembling. Moreover their wash philosophy changed as their role in the home changed.

If you look at food and family structure in the US currently, is a dishwasher an essential or a convenience? Ands does the wider population still have the disposable income to allocate to it.

 

[Chetlaham]

Personally I feel a dishwasher is an essential necessity. Nothing can sterilize, clean and save water and energy like a good dishwasher. More money is wasted by not having a dishwasher. Plus hand washing is asking for bacteria in sponges and people turning to paper plates and plastic utensils when the dishes keep piling up.

However, on the other hand, dishwashers are becoming expensive, poor performing, long cycles, with many having premature breakdowns because nothing is immune to the disposable white goods mentality.

The thing is, if Whirlpool produced a basic Power Clean Filter Module today it would sell for about $400-$500 today, less when economy of scale are factored in, last 15 years on average and out-clean anything sold today while using the least amount of water and energy of any dishwasher ever sold.

With the low cost and performance behind it good dishwashers would become affordable again going into nearly all households. It would be a win for everyone, but not until consumer mentality changes.

 

[johnb300m]

I'd rather have one. I have a brand new LG dishwasher which I kiss every day because it cleans and dries so well.

B b but does it alternate its spray arms?

 

[johnb300m]

The thing is, if Whirlpool produced a basic Power Clean Filter Module today it would sell for about $400-$500 today, less when economy of scale are factored in, last 15 years on average and out-clean anything sold today while using the least amount of water and energy of any dishwasher ever sold.

No, it wouldn’t….

 

[gelaundry4ever]

My dad was a service tech and used to recommend a quarter cup of vegetable oil in the dishwasher occasionally to help keep the pump and seals lubed.

Makes sense to me, as detergents like grease and like to do hard work. This is why you'll NEVER see me pre rinse or pre wash anything. It just goes in, even when covered in grease and food bits.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

B b but does it alternate its spray arms?

It does. Despite this, there's no cavitation when doing the dishes. That I can live with.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Personally I feel a dishwasher is an essential necessity. Nothing can sterilize, clean and save water and energy like a good dishwasher. More money is wasted by not having a dishwasher. Plus hand washing is asking for bacteria in sponges and people turning to paper plates and plastic utensils when the dishes keep piling up.

However, on the other hand, dishwashers are becoming expensive, poor performing, long cycles, with many having premature breakdowns because nothing is immune to the disposable white goods mentality.

The thing is, if Whirlpool produced a basic Power Clean Filter Module today it would sell for about $400-$500 today, less when economy of scale are factored in, last 15 years on average and out-clean anything sold today while using the least amount of water and energy of any dishwasher ever sold.

With the low cost and performance behind it good dishwashers would become affordable again going into nearly all households. It would be a win for everyone, but not until consumer mentality changes.

I agree.

 

[Chetlaham]

No, it wouldn’t….

Toward the end of production power cleans were cheap, around $300. In today's money thats $450. Cheaper than many MOL models produced today which do not clean nearly as well.

With mass buying, the price would drop.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

So, you're only one person. What the hell does that have to do with anything? I am just one person. But I like to entertain. I often have 12 or more guests for dinner. I definitely need all the pots and pans, dishes, flatware and serving pieces that I have. My dishes have 24 full place settings. I would never try to tell someone how much of anything they need. And I would love for someone try to tell me what or how much of anything I should have.

Exactly! And I like to eat off of real dishes but I hate doing them by hand. My dishwasher does better than I could in my life anyway.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Toward the end of production power cleans were cheap, around $300. In today's money thats $450. Cheaper than many MOL models produced today which do not clean nearly as well.

With mass buying, the price would drop.

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My LG cleans like a power clean.