yeah, but these old KA was a REALLY KItchenAid.... hehehe, with a big motor, using lots of water and energy. the motor of mine is too small, only 300 watts of power (and a 1500wtts heating element). the machine uses only 4 liters of wather in each fill (a total of 20 liters in the normal cicle and 16 liters in the eco). it uses about 1,2 kw/h in the normal cicle. and mine don'r fit pan in the upper rack... i need to put the pans in the lower and not to put anything above in the upper rack!!!