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I have a '97 VW Passat GLX wagon (which I really enjoy driving even at 11 years old) that has the common problem of yellowed/cloudy headlight lenses. For about a year I've had to run the fog lights at night to assist the diminished headlights. I just won a new pair on ebay last night. It appears that a portion of the grill may need to be removed in order to pull the old assemblies and install the new ones. Might anyone be able to advise on how complicated the grill removal is on this car? I'd like to do this myself but I got such a deal on the new assemblies that if I need to get a body shop involved I will likely still be money ahead if I can't figure out how to pull the grill.

I'd appreciate any advice if it's out there.

Ralph
 
My sister has a Forester and loves it. I'm impressed with Subaru but need to hang onto my Passat for at least another year when my partner's car will be paid off. The new car will be his and I'll inherit his C240 if it's still in one piece. I'm trying to steer him towards a truck since he beats on cars so much.

Meanwhile, I need to improve the visibility at night on the Passat as its headlights are dimmer than most other vehicles on the road due to the clouding problem. I see this on other German cars as well as Japanese and American of similar vintage to my Passat. I think maybe they've since come up with a substance for lenses that is more resistant to going cloudy.
 
I don't know about the headlight lenses, but I know the taillight lenses are incredibly difficult to replace. Very very stupid bass-ackward engineering.

My partner, Lee, has a 1999 Passat. One night I was moving his car and I accidentally backed into the garage door. (It was late at night and hard to see.) Yes, he was pissed; of course I had to replace the lens. Cost: something like $150 from the dealer. For a frigging piece of plastic.

We think not.

So I went on eBay and found a replacement set, in the European style (see photos), on eBay, for a little over a hundred bucks for the set.

When the lenses arrived, I set-to installing them. "How hard can it be." Think again. I could not for the life of me figure out how they went it. I finally took the damn car to my mechanic and him install them. Another hundred bucks. Why? Because he had to completely disassemble the rear end of the car to put them in. Ridiculous.

Happy ending - Lee is tickled pink with the new lenses. They really look great. As to tacky plastic sunscreen he stuck in the rear window ... never mind!

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vwvortex.com . . .

is a great source of information on VWs. They have a number of forums and if you post a question someone will probably answer it. I have a later Golf and removed the one of the headights when I cleaned the intercooler. Not too hard except for removing the plastic safety latch tab, after which the grille and bumper come off easily. The latch tab itself is a real bitch. I have no idea if the Passat is similar. Remember if you do have to remove the bumper to first disconnect any side marker lights mounted in it. You will also most likely need a few torx screwdrivers. Good luck - my lights are yellowing as well but I think I'm gonna try polishing them first.
 
I had to replace a tail light lens on my car and it was a cinch. I don't know if that's because it's a wagon or if they changed things around starting with the '98 model year to make it a big job.

I'm not a big fan of the "euro" type of tail lights. In fact I thought they were more of a Japanese auto maker phenomenon, launched by the tail light lens styling on the smaller Lexus RX330 (I think) SUV several years ago.

I am quite happy though, that it appears the new headlight assemblies I'll be receiving are indeed European style (made by Hella) and will do a better job than the orginal equipment on the car designed for the American market.
 
Well, maybe there is a difference between the sedan and wagon, I dunno. All I do know is I couldn't make heads nor tails of how to install them, and it took the mechanic almost three hours. He said he had never seen such a crazy arrangement, and would definitely think twice about agreeing to do another. And this is no back-yard mechanic, he's among the best and most highly rated in L.A. He's so popular (due to great work and unquestionable honesty) that you frequently have to book him days in advance. See link.

 
You know, I really hate it when the people who design cars don't even consider what type of undertaking it might be to carry out the simplest of repairs or maintenance items. This is nothing new. When I was a kid my dad used to complain about having to remove the spark plugs on our '57 Lincoln Premiere from under the engine instead of over it. There are tons more examples, like cars that don't provide enough clearance to put chains on the tires. On the early and mid 60's Lincolns you had to start at the sun visors and remove those, the chrome windshield trim, the dash and the entire front of the intstrument panel just to pull the radio.
 
Edmonds.com

You can also go to Edmonds.com they have repair forums there...I go there all the time for instructions on my VW Beetle.
 
Thanks Bill, I will try Edmonds. The new headlights should arrive next week and I'm hoping to take a crack at installing them while I'm on vacation. Slap on a new pair of Bosch wiper refills and I'm ready for the rainy season--if it ever arrives.

Ralph
 
Even though you have purchased new lenses for your headlights I have heard that there are kits available to clean and clear up the old lenses to like new condition.
Volvos seem to have a big problem with headlight fogging. Some of them I have seen are almost opaque!

Maybe you could polish out the old ones and sell em on Ebay!

 
In many locations, those style tail lights are not legal. There are two reasons: First, there is not enough illuminated surface area...American tail lights must have a certain amount of square inches illuminated. I believe trucks are rated to have less than cars. The other issue is that they need to have side marker capabilites too. Instead of installing separate side markers, most auto manufacturers simply wrap the tail light lens around the side of the body so that the light exits through the side too. Many aftermarket lenses do not allow enough incidental light to exit out sideways due to the way the focus the beam. If you end up in a side-impact collision at nighttoo, the defending insurance company can throw the argument at you that the side of your vehicle was not visible enough due to the lack of side illumination.

...I used liked the look of those style tail lamps till they became so much of a fad with the ricers
 
What is a "ricer" ?? I have a food ricer in my kitchen but doubt that's what you're referring to!

Also, I did check into those tail lights before I bought them; they are street-legal in California.

Maybe that 'Euro' style hasn't caught on out here, I dunno, not much for living my life according to "what's in style," but I had not seen any others like them - which was what made me interested in them - they were unusual.

We have a neighbor who also has a Passat wagon and the tail lights on hers are different than either Lee's old or new ones. They have some clear area, rather than 100% red, but not as much clear space as his new ones.
 
Allen & Steven, you are both so right! All I can say is that the new versions of these "clear" tail light lenses are better than the early ones that had NO red at all and relied on wimpy red bulbs to provide adequate lighting when braking in bright sunlight--which they absolutely did not! Ditto for the smoked lenses.

I don't get why there is no middle ground with these hopped up rice burners and their inadequate lighting in back and overly bright and mal-adjusted blue lighting up front. They either have clear tail lenses or ones that are so smoked you can hardly see any light at all. What is the obsession with altering tail lights over the past several years? Why aren't these people getting fix-it tickets right & left? If I were a cop I'd be all over this one. And of course no car with altered tail lights would be complete without a "coffee can" tailpipe.

As for polishing out my Passat's existing headlight lenses, I have tried that. It appears the cloudy substance is on the inside and the lenses are effectively sealed and shouldn't be pried open to try and clean them. After market dealers are making a killing on new headlights for many makes impacted by this flaw. I couldn't pass up the deal on ebay, as I got my brand new pair for less than the cost of one lens, even with shipping factored in.
 
btw I used to be a web page jockey at edmunds.com. When I first started working there, their offices were on the old Warner Hollywood movie studios in West Hollywood (originally the Pickford-Fairbanks studios, then United Artists). They then moved to the huge MGM office complex in Santa Monica and as far as I know are still there.

Their web site is an invaluable resource, but the company was a hellish place to work. Most of the people there were great but the work itself was migraine-inducing. Their huuuumongous web site is database driven so all the info is updated "on the fly." However, in order to preview new pages, mockups have to be dummied up in Dreamweaver and that's what I did. Everything had to line up just perfectly and fit within very tight layout constraints, and you'd get revisions of the same material from several sources and it was a nightmare sorting them all out. Then you'd get text from one person, photos from another, layout instructions from the art director..... {{{*SCREEEEEM!!!*}}}

The company is owned by Orthodox Jews. Every doorway has a Mezuzah, and when the owners would throw (frequent) parties or luncheons they would always have kosher food. You haven't lived until you've had kosher pizza (not).

They had incredible holiday parties where everyone and their family members were invited. One year the party was at the fabulous Petersen Automotive Museum (which is a brisk 10-minute walk from my house). Edmunds rented out the entire museum for the evening and it was a very glamorous black-tie event. Somewhere I have photos of Arlee and me in our evening gowns and we were just faaaaaaaaaabulous, hahaha!

Right in the middle of Edmunds' large office complex at MGM was the shell of a black 1948 Cadillac Fleetwood that was turned into a coffee bar. Very clever. Free coffee anytime for everyone, and 2-3 times a week they'd have free bagels or donuts. A lunch room had free sodas and snacks, and foozball tables.

Management did all this stuff I think to try to compensate for the very stressful and difficult work environment. Employee turnover was very brisk -- people would either burn out and quit, or get fired. I should have seen the writing on the wall when I went there as a freelance artist thru an agency and was offered a permanent job after being there only half a day. "What's wrong with this picture?"

There were frequent scream-fests behind closed management doors, and the really exciting ones would spill out into the hallway. Never a dull moment there - except for the very dull work that is.

The nice part about it was that I made some good friends there, a couple of whom I am still in regular contact with even though it's been more than 10 years since I left there (I was one of the burn-outs who quit).

Anyway, it was an INTERESTING job but not the type I would ever seek out again.

 
And of course no car with altered tail lights would be complete without a "coffee can" tailpipe.

Around here they are called "fart can" exhausts....And let us not forget the almost totally blacked out windows in these rice racers .

A ricer is another word for a Honda that has been modified from its stock condition. We call them "Rice Rockets". Usually they can be seen whizzing along the freeways zig zagging in and out of traffic at speeds much faster than the limit. Occasionally one gets wrapped around a tree or telephone pole.
 
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