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laundryboy

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My parents rent their lake house by the week in the summer and this bunch of renters decided to lite candles and go shopping. The house is a total loss and was fully furnished, just underwent a full remodel in the kitchen..

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Idiots.

I hope the place was fully insured. Probably a no brainer for a rental property.

I learned in the Boy Scouts many eons ago that you never leave a campsite without making sure the campfire was completely out - cool to the touch. Same applies for any open flame in the house.
 
My mother rented her summer place in the Hamptons to a woman who brought her son and grandchildren. The son, a 40-something attorney, decided to light a fire in the fireplace (in 80 degree weather in August...) and neglected to open the flue. There was smoke damage to the paint which will cost close to $10K to repair. After they noticed the smoke, they didn't open the flue and instead ran the A/C, thinking it would disperse the smoke. Idiotws.

The woman took out a renter's policy, as required by the lease, but the policy did not cover smoke damage. My parents will not refund the security deposit (which is enough to cover perhaps 25% of the repair costs) and they will have to go to court to collect the rest. Small claims court in NY State evidently allows claims of up to $5K, and that amount plus the deposit would come close to repair costs, so they will that route.

My mother doesn't want to place a claim with her own insurance policy as it will trigger a rise in her premiums (for stupidity she did not cause). Her list of instructions for the renters included "how to open the flue in the fireplace" but the bozos didn't read the instructions.

Not that I would EVER leave a candle burning when I wasn't present, but not opening the flue is even more egregious, in that there will be trouble ANY time you start a fire with the flue closed, and the tenants were present in the house when the trouble started and didn't know how to manage the situation. Leaving candles unattended, while dangerous, is not guaranteed to burn down the house, though unfortunately that was the case for your parents. I feel very bad about it. Does their insurance cover it? Or were the renters required to take out an insurance policy?
 
Speaking of safety

A friend of mine unplugs every counter top small appliance in their kitchen when it's not in use. I thought it was a bit of overkill, but he said his father trained him to do that. In the days of cloth insulated power cords it was probably necessary. Not so sure today with modern plastic insulated power cords. But I'm sure it doesn't hurt, safety-wise.
 
Speaking of safety

My brother is an electrician and he recommends that all heat generating appliances such as irons, toasters, coffee pots, etc, be unplugged in not in use.
 
Unplugging

I never thought about unplugging appliances until I had a mishap some years ago while living in an apartment. I had some clean dishes in a dish rack on the kitchen counter. Next to the dish rack was a toaster oven. One day I went off to work as usual. During the day, a bowl rolled off the dish rack, hit the toaster oven lever, and turned it on. Fortunately, there was no fire, but the apartment was filled with smoke when I got home, and the counter top beneath the glowing toaster oven was badly burned. I have always unplugged small appliances since then. Granted, I probably should have situated things differently in that kitchen, but the thought that something like that could happen never even occurred to me at the time.

Laundryboy, so sorry this happened. I hope your parents are able to get an appropriate restoration.
 
Yeah they were fully insured for the house and the contents, the renters have asked for their security deposit back, I think its going to cost more than their deposit to fix, the house was tore down today. Its sad, the house was built in 1887 and was in my family for 4 generations..
 
I have a lack of patience with stupid people,

or should I say people with no common sense at all.

Back in the late 80's my crazy sister and her stupid husband came for a visit at our house. We were going to make dinner that night so we went shopping at the grocery store while my sister and her husband relaxed at home.
We came in from our shopping trip to find the living room, den and kitchen full of smoke! And I mean dense dark smoke. My sister and her husband were sitting on the sofa. The first thing they said was "isn't that a nice fireplace you have there?". They had forgotten to open the flu and stacked three of those chemical fire logs in the fireplace and ignited them!
Idiots! And needless to say the walls and 14' ceiling were painted white in that room just a few months before!

How do people like this make it through life? It's beyond me!
 
People have

become so used to modern heat/ac units and forgotten how to use fireplaces, woodstoves, candles, oil lamps, etc..

I employ the use of candles and oil lamps but I put gas logs in my fireplaces. Since my house is over 200 years old there is no way I would take a chance on using the fireplaces with a wood burning fire. It's just to dangerous even if I put liners in the chimneys. I also grew up in a house that was heated by fireplaces and a wood burning stove so I learned the proper use of them.

There is really no excuse for this. I'm really sorry for your loss.
 
What do you mean they asked for their security deposit back!? They totaled the house! How can they possibly rationalize that?
 
Lighting.

We use candles, kerosene lighting and gas lighting as much as we can. I installed a gas fixture several months ago (gas jet and not one with a mantle) and I like the colour of the light it casts. I run it from a small propane tank and rest assured that the valve on the tank is OFF when not in use.

Dahm Whirlcool, that must have been quite a shock to have walked into your house. " How do people like this make it through life? It's beyond me!"--I have no idea. Scary, is it not; and this is the norm ... (retracting claws now).

Heating completely with wood is something we're going to try this winter. Have any of you had/used those tubes for grates that heat up the air? (hmmm, does this warrant a new thread?)

Rob.
 
I'm very sorry to hear of your devastating loss.

~What do you mean they asked for their security deposit back!? They totaled the house! How can they possibly rationalize that?

Actual answer (probably): HA HA HA HA!

Better answer: Actually we will be billing you and your insurance company for the difference between what our insurance comapny allow us and the actual (higher) cost to rebuild, refurnish and get it operational. BTW what is your mother's maiden name, your SS#, your bank account number and your empoyer's address? We need to start those slalary garnishments, and the lien against YOUR house right about now. ASAP!

I'll be sure to send you a candle with the subpoena!

Return of security deposit?
As my 6th grade teacher used to say:
How bold. How brazen. What un-mitigated gall and nerve!

Actually how about a court-ordered sterilization of the party resposible AND their spouse for allowing such a stupid thing.
 
...and not to mention the unnecessary risk of a fire

~We use candles, kerosene lighting and gas lighting as much as we can.

Uhm, why would you want to reduce the quality of the indoor air to the point that is is hazardous to your health?

There is a REASON that electric lighitng took over from open- flame lighting at lightning speed.

If nothing else all that carbon build-up on the walls, floors, ceilings, curtains, furniture, windows etc. will cost you a fortune to paint, wash and otherwise clean-up.

If you are off-the-grid. how about 12v lighting and photo-voltiac solar-powered chargers?
 
We use gas, kerosene and candles for "mood lighting" if you will. Actually we use lamp oil instead of kerosene as it burns cleaner -- and NEVER unsupervised.

Living in an old house, I'm never worried about the indoor air being polluted!

Rob.
 
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