Downy Defy Damage ???

[mrboilwash]

German consumer magazine Test found out in their take on fabric softenes which was called "Cuddling Up With Surfactants" that while improving wrinkling and ease of ironing most FS faded colors faster and even accelerated pilling of fibers than compared to repeated washings without FS.
What a contrary to marketing and advertising this is...
So I wouldn`t count too much on the claimed benefits of this Downy product.

The active ingredient in Downy Defy Damage Dialkylester Dimethyl Ammonium Methosulfate seems to be an ester quart or in other words a cationic surfactant just like Diethylester Dimethyl Ammonium Chloride which is the softener in liquid Downy versions.
I wonder what`s the difference between those two as we all know that FS and detergent should not be mixed because they cancel each other out.
Maybe you gain some fabric care by losing activity of the detergent, but wouldn`t just using less detergent have a similar effect at no extra cost?

https://www.test.de/Weichspueler-im-Test-5519844-0/

 

[lakewebsterkid]

Uh

"And those people will probably be the same ones who insist that five 10-watt LED's consume more energy than one 100 watt incandescent bulb because with the LED's you have FIVE! And FIVE is more than ONE......."

So, are you stating that 50W is more than 100W? I'm just confused on your point?

 

[lakewebsterkid]

Damage Defy

There is nothing in the beads that makes them any more 'defying' to damage than using Unstoppables or FS. It really is a worthless product. Especially the unscented version.

 

[lakewebsterkid]

warmsecondrinse

Never mind! I read it backwards. I was going to say! Lol

 

[joeekaitis]

How soon before the pendulum swings back . . .

 

 . . . to touting the virtues of a chemical-free wash thanks to Free (of perfumes) & Clear (of dyes, opaquing agents and optical chemical brighteners) detergents which were all the rage not too long ago?

 

[warmsecondrinse]

No worries I'm happy you were able to understand my point.

Despite all the practice I've had in my life (and I've had A LOT) with explaining other people's nonsense, I'm still not that good at it and often come off as though *I* am the one who's confused.......

 

[launderess]

Did not imply Downy DFD and their bead products did same thing, but that P&G borrowed, used or whatever bits of in wash scent beads technology to produce this new product.

Thing is instructions for DFD speak to putting product into machine before loading clothing. That works well I suppose for top loading washers, but what about front loaders? Can this product go in washing machine dispensers?

Also interesting is P&G states consumers can use any other laundry product they wish with DFD and it won't affect. Everything from scent booster beads to liquid fabric softener.

https://downy.com/en-us/fabric-softener/conditioning-beads/defy-fresh

 

[mattl]

Well as mentioned in a thread I posted about finding Defy on clearance, I've actually tried it in a few loads and have to say I kind of like the results. I tossed it in with a Persil pod, I've only done 2 loads, none of the items has had more than one washing with Defy yet but they do have a good feel. Worth the cost?  Not sure at full price.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

I am honestly confused.
If that was developed because "younger generations" don't use softeners like the Grand parents or parents did, well that is not what I actually see.
What I see is younger folks use more softener than required and that is to enhance scent and cover whiff resulting from the common bad laundry practices, so cold-quick cycles only.
Which is also the same reason why they developed the scent boosters and ultra scented detergents and polimer technologies to have scent clinging to clothes.

Speaking of In-wash softeners I remember even detergents claiming to have both altogether being 2 in 1 and removing the need of softener.
It was the case of Bold-Bolt or Dash in some european countries.
Needless to say there was a difference but was slight and certainly not like using rinse fabric softener.
So they shifted their marketing to advertise just the scent, which was the main reason why people bought them, so being ultra scented detergents that perfume your laundry.
To this day, Bolt in Italy, Bold in UK and Dash in Belgium-holland are indeed known for the scent.
Dash in Germany is the equivalent of Gain.
It is also true that:
To many folks at the beginning of their housekeeping-laundry journey it feels weird to put a chemical that doesn't rinse off...but is meant to sit there in the fibers.
Probably used to hair conditioners and other products meant to be rinsed.
Rare but happens to find people used to a FL just knowing that softener belongs in the softener dispenser, but with no actual clue of when the machine takes it. And they get quote shocked when finding that softener belongs to the final rinse.
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[gorenje]

But .... !

Hi to everyone,
Well I really just love new products, new scents etc ... but first of all I like products and routines that are effective and have sense.

I don't want to offend anyone but watching videos on YT of Americans doing laundry just put me in shock. I'm sure that Americans are not the only ones, for sure also some Europeans are so but it seems Americans are the worst. It's like not doing laundry but doing some kind of "Russian salad" with at least 15 ingredients. People start with the detergent, too much detergent, sometimes even one or two pods, some liquid detergent, than a lot of scent beads, than the Lysol, the Bleach, the vinegar, sometimes along with a sprinkle of oxy powder and than the softener.... not into the dispenser but along with all that and all this on cold in a top loader which does just one rinse But that's not all, than comes the dryer where all these "washed" clothes full or residues get some extra 2 or 3 dryer sheets... O...M...G.... !

So I am asking myself if they really need another product ore a good lesson on how to do laundry and how to know the basics of chemistry.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Some europeans?

LOL

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Truth is this:

For what I see same bad laundry practices are now a common thing in  all the wealthiest countries in the world.

Americans vs europeans always had the tendency to document every tiny bit of their lifes to put on social media or YouTube etc 

Often out of boredom and not to feel alone.

So you find lots and lots of videos of:

How they do dishes, how they do laundry, how they Cook this or that...etc...what they are having for dinner...etc

That is Just a more open (and fun IMO)  mindset towards what you can use a YouTube channel for.

In America Europeans are indeed known for keeping a more private-reserved profile when It comes to their lifes and that stuff 

According to the mentality of most European countries if you had to do that and document your daily life like that you would be considered kinda "weirdo".

Said this, It Is rare that you will find videos of  regular people doing laundry  besides laundry people  like us and tutorials from Europeans. 

Different is for americans in general because of this mindset.

If europeans were out doing the same videos you would realize how many are in the exact same situation laundry-wise.

And the 70-80% of gunky moldey machines you can tipically find at the scrapper today cobfirm this.

Speaking of rinsing, i am more worried of the two brief ones of the common 30' cycle  of a FL which first do not even rinse out a 50% of the suds coming from the sudslock, that is almost always assured, first because they are loaded at full capacity for a cycle designed to REFRESH 1/5 of the capacity and second,or for the amount of detergent used. 

The actual big difference i see is related to what i said,  you  have people filming their grocery shopping, how they make coffee, what new clothes they bought the "sensational" offer at dollar free etc.... hence more people filming how they do laundry (and yes, the bad way ) .

 

 Other difference: Yes americans use more liquid detergent than powders and Europe is getting there very fast, sadly 

 

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[kenmoreguy89]

And since I know that you know italian if you have FB go take a look to big laundry advice groups on there like "io amo la mi lavatrice" etc plethora of clueless italian sciure among salt vinegar and cold water and laundry disasters that ran me and admins crazy!!!.

They constantly teach how to do laundry to these oblivious poor souls.

Laughing my ass off Is what i used the group for during my last days of using facebook  as honestly i was tired to keep repeating over and over the same stuff.

Go there get a laugh too!



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[gorenje]

That's soooooo sad. It really is sad to see how many people don't use their brain anymore...

 

[kenmoreguy89]

This is a complex argument that also involves social politics.

I have my ideas. But not the time or place to discuss. Also would get OT.