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I finally got a new computer, built for me by a friend. It has a few recycled parts on it, but i love it. But the big joke and recycled part is that its built with a dell tower..LoL.. Not one dell part on it, but its in a dell case. Plus it has XP. The only way to get XP any more unless you have a Comp USA in your area thats going out of busniess like ours.
Just curious if this is a good set up:
2 Ghz Processor
1 40 Gig Hard drive
1 80 Gig Hard Dirve
1 Gig Ram
1 DVD-R/w With light scribe
1 CD R/W
1 3.5 Floppy Disc
No Modem
ATA Graphics Card
Is this a good set up? I paid $200 for it and the used parts include the DVD R/W and CD R/W and the 40 Gig Hard Drive and of course the case...
 
That's a good price for what you got, IMHO. With the cost of processors these days, you could upgrade to a 3.2 Ghz for cheap. That is, if the motherboard supports it.
What brands are the motherboard and hard disks? To me, that's what's important.
Windows XP is still available from most wholesale suppliers. I have access to brand new shrink wrapped units of both Home and Pro. If anyone is interested, please contact me.
 
Exploder did you see MSN today with the "10 worst PCs made"? They mention Dell as one of worst brands so maybe it's good only the case is Dell. "Dude, you got a Dell" is often said as a joke.
 
I had two Dell laptops. Good performers, but the case, keyboard and other parts started disintegrating about a year after I got them. I have heard that their desktops are not much better.
Then as an added bonus, if you have to contact Dell, you get a call center based in India!

I have put together my own PC's since about 1987 or so. If you use good brands and buy currrent technology you can get years out of your PC. If you build it right, it may even last longer than a FL washing machine!
 
An ex-customer contacted me couple days ago. Dell tech support managed to "crash" her computer when attempting to diagnose a suspected bad NIC. Not sure what exactly "crash" means, but she said she lost all e-mail stored in OE. She thought I'd have copies of ALL her messages back to Day One, and she said just everything from 2004 to the present would be sufficient. As if!

I can't figure what diagnostic on a NIC would zap OE, but then I'm surely not as knowledgeable as Dell Tech Support!
 
Oh yeah, and the computer I'm using at this moment was built by me in July 1998. I'm so far out-of-touch on current hardware, don't think I could do it again without TONS of research.
 
It's OK for the price, but there a few thing I would do that to better the system.....

1. Ditch the case, Dells cases does not breath well to keep the system cool.
2. Upgrade your ram to 2 gigs so XP performs a lot better.
3. Buy larger hard drives.
4. Buy a better video card if you into gaming. Trust me, it makes a BIG difference!
5. In due time when you keep adding to the system, you will need a bigger power supply.

For the best prices on PC parts:
www.Newegg.com and www.ZipZoomFly.com

This is an old photo of my system and the stuff inside is dated.
Whats inside now has evolved over the past few months and I need to upgrade the Mpeg on youtube to what is currently inside my system.

Wire management looks a lot better now than then!

Click on more to see the full listing of "Let's see what's in..."



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Pimped out case

I have a pc that used to be a Sony Vaio, then I bought an Antec P160 case and some lights and pimpt it out.

My next pc is going to be a clear acrylic case with water cooling for the Core 2 duo and the Geforce 8800gtx. But I gotta save my money first.
 
Chad, it is more

than good for that price. And the memory is just fine for XP. Larry's recommendations are all good - but not one single one is necessary if all you're doing is surfing the net and sending e-mails.
Better to put that money aside for the next computer, IMHO.
Oh, question: XP is still no problem to buy at dealers here in Munich...is it really gone from the shelves in the US?
 
The rule of thumb I use here is:

If your computer is doing what you want it to and doing it fast enough for you, then leave it alone. I just built a new system last July (3.2GHZ Pentium D) after I encountered an aviation application that was very graphics intensive. My previous computer was a Pentium 233 from 1997.

As CleanteamNY pointed out, just using the Internet does not mean you have to have the latest and greatest. You can get decent Internet performance with a Pentium 3 500Mhz and a DSL connection.

The advent of the Internet is what caused most people to migrate from the 486 days to the Pentium back in the mid 90's.
 
My rant on PCs...

It seems like none of the modern consumer-grade (or consumer-BRAND for that matter) PCs are of decent quality anymore, not since the early-90's...so far, none of ours that we've had since 1994 have lasted more than 4-5 years. Around the time I was born, my parents bought their first computer, a new Hyundai 286 setup with 640K of RAM, MS-DOS version 4.something, a 5 1/4" 1.2MB floppy drive, and a Seagate ST-225 "clacker" MFM hard drive. Believe it or not, we had that machine for 6 years and it never experienced ANY problems; we gave it to some relatives after that where it did its duty for a few more years until they were able to get something else. In 1994, we bought another system from Best Buy (I believe), a Packard Bell (now that name dates me, LOL). Multimedia capability, 2X CD-ROM, 420 MB hard drive, the original Pentium processor, AOL 3.5, Windows 3.1 with the "Navigator" menu system, and loads of programs. For the first year it was fine, then we made the mistake of buying the Windows 95 Upgrade. Poor thing couldn't handle it, despite being made only a year before. Disk space and memory were constantly at a minimum, and "unstable" was an understatement. The recovery disks saw quite a bit of use. Around mid-1999 or so (shortly after giving up on 95 and, knowing it wasn't going to last much longer, reinstalling 3.1), the CD-ROM drive gave out, and the machine itself died a few months later, right around fall. We held out on buying another PC until around Christmas, when we bought the then-TOL version of the HP "Pavilion." 600 MHz Celeron, Windows 98, 17 gig hard drive, CD-RW, DVD-ROM, and 128 megs of RAM. Like the previous Packard Bell, the first few years were fine, then in early 2003 it started behaving strangely. It began to perform quite a few 'illegal operations ' (I started hating that message with a passion...thank God XP doesn't use it), became increasingly slow (at this point I would kick the tower), halted at any given minute and then the floppy drive quit. Since the case was "form-over-function", any floppy drive would not fit, so I solved that problem by cutting a hole in the front where a regular floppy drive would go. Not pretty, but at least it worked. When it finally died in early '04, let's just say I was glad to see it go. I ended up shooting the case up in the backyard.

Now both my computer and the living room computer are Dells, which have been OK at best. There's more to this story, but I'll continue it later this afternoon, when I have more time.

Austin
 
LoL.. Thanks Guys.. As time and money permit things will be upgraded. My gramps has one of the first black cased dells and its been fine. I am not heavy into gaming, but i may add more ram eventually, I can go up to a 3 Ghz procesoor if i want. Yeah i whant another case, but hey, it will be a free one or a clearnce center item if i bother to have it changed. The power supply is a dell unit, but there is a better to be installed today... My DVD rom broke as well, so i got a Pioneer DVD RW Drive new from best buy. The old one was an LG.. I discoverd that Real Player is soo much better than Windows Media Player..
So far this is the best computer i have had... I have had a computer scince i was 8 (Christmas 1992).. That was an old 286 !~
My computers include:
1992 286 with windows 3.1, i know very little about this computer
1996 Packard Bell Pentium 90 with windows 95, some where around 25 mb ram and a very large hard drive that crashed often
1998 Gateway Pentium 120 with windows 98, i think it had 100 mb ram (can't remember), mid level hard drive, great computer that my dad still uses
2003 Dell 2 Ghz with windows Xp 512 Ram, 80 Gig Hard Drive, worked great, my step dad needed a new computer and i wanted a laptop, so it was sold to him
2005 Dell Laptop 2 Ghz, Windows Xp, 512 Ram, 80 gig hard drive, worked until January this year, display died
Then the 2 vistan pos units..

Now this one..
I felt matt gave me a good shake on this.. I will upgrade it as needed, but i like it
 
Packard Bell

What ever happened to them?

For quite a number of years those machines were umbiquitous, lots of places sold them. Then overnight they just disappeared. I saw that they continued operations in the rest of the world, just not in the U.S.
 
From what i understand Packard Bell had tons of issues including selling computers with used parts and horrid customer service. Mine had the hard drive replaced in 1998 by me and i used it for a very long time until last year. It was a great computer and worked well. But i do know that they never fixed anything under warranty. But hey, i fixed mine and it lasted forever
 
Our "family" computer is a 2001 Sony Vaio desktop, which we haven't really had any problems with, except the fact that when we got it none of us had any idea what "antivirus" or "firewall" meant, so I had to constantly mess around with it to get it to work. We did eventually get it to work by protecting it better. My laptop is a 1 1/2 year old Compaq which hasn't given me any trouble of any kind since I got it, and my brother just got a new HP laptop which I guess has been working.
 
Packard Bell

Strangely enough, I did some Googling and found that Packard Bell is still around, except for one tiny little detail: they no longer cater to the US market. I do know that Packard Bell became a part of NEC sometime in the mid-90's, which I thought was funny because neither company was really known for a stellar home computer. A few years afterward I no longer saw new Packard Bell computers around; sometime around 1999-00 or so. NEC is still around and doing quite well (all of the new ceiling-mounted projectors the school has are NEC, and are doing quite well), but they're no longer in the home computer market either. I'm willing to bet that producing commercial equipment exclusively is what seems to be improving their reputation.

I found this mildly amusing article where Packard Bell tops the list for "10 worst PCs of all time." From the problems our "Legend 101" experienced, I'd have to agree with them there. No doubt ours had some used parts in it as well. I can still hear the robotic female voice to this day, after it started up..."Welcome to Packard Bell Navigator."

Back to the Dells. Wanting to try something other than a store brand, we bought a Dimension 2400 in the summer of '04 as part of one of their little package deals...I think ours was the $499 one they had at the time. 17" LCD monitor, 2.4 GHz, 512 MB RAM, XP Home, 80 GB (I believe; could be less) hard drive, two CD drives (one CD-ROM, the other being a CD-RW) but no floppy drive which would prove annoying for me later on. The standard trackerball mouse started becoming erratic a year afterward, so it was replaced with an optical, and then last year the LCD display would only "blink"...it would not stay on and had to be replaced (with an LG widescreen). The machine itself was OK, but suffered from the usual "slowness" trouble. I don't remember the specifics, but earlier this year it suffered its first major failure, a bad power supply. It was repaired, and seems to be working fine now...I figure if we can get at least 2-3 more years out of it that would be great, but honestly, considering the amount of trouble we've already experienced, that seems like more of a longshot than anything.

As for myself, I was going to stick with a Dell (familiarity more than anything...), but NOT a residential machine. During the summer I was taking some dual-credit courses up at the local junior college, and they were using commercial-grade small-form-factor Dells which I was impressed with. So last September, I searched eBay for a few weeks to get an idea of the price and decided to buy one there. Buying a computer off eBay isn't as bad as it sounds, however, you definitely have to look for the right one. Furtive advertising tactics and poor feedback are a big no-no, obviously. After I found what I was looking for from a reputable seller (who dealt strictly with new computers; was in the 'business'), I ended up purchasing a brand-new Optiplex GX520 for less than retail. 3.4 GHz Pentium 4 hyper-threaded processor, 40 gig hard drive (this was a mistake...way too small for video!), 1 gig RAM as well as floppy and DVD-ROM drives, all in a small-form-factor case. It was equipped with an optical mouse and the "slim" keyboard (which I quite like), and I provided an LG 17" LCD and an external LG Lightscribe DVD+RW combination drive. In addition to that, I now have a Sony speaker system and HP multifunction with the built-in card reader.

Other than a few teething troubles I had during setup (registry conflicts with the drivers for either the external DVD drive or the LCD), it hasn't had any problems, and is on (for the most part) 24/7. I do agree with Larry though on Dell cases not allowing enough airflow, as this one does tend to overheat. Sometimes after it's been sitting for a while, I'll hear one of the fans come on and rev up to moderate speed, and receive an "Insufficient System Resources" message when I try to run something. After I power off and restart, the problem disappears. Also, even though it handles Premiere Elements fine, when I'm compiling the project into the final WMV, you should hear it laboring then...those fans run full blast!

I'm hoping this one will last me through college, at the very least. Sure, there's no room for expansion in an SFF machine, however, that was partly my intention. The next computer I own (besides the obligatory Panasonic Toughbook of course) will be built myself using only high-quality components and peripherals...

Austin
 
Wow.. So an Optiplex is a busniess computer? All of the software and such is from an Optiplex 520 Dell.. Never knew that..
 
Chad, I believe Austin meant he bought an Optiplex from an eBay seller who is in the computer business ... not an individual seller.

However, you are correct. The Optiplex line is aimed at the business/government/corporate market. IIRC, the cases are designed in a modular fashion, making it easier to open them, change drives, power supplies, etc.

I now have a used computer store at my house, along with the washateria. An associate who wanted our dual-Xeon 3 Ghz / 1 GB / 36 GB RAID server with triple redundant power supply had to pass due to some other sudden expense. So that, and numerous other items, are now camped-out in my garage. Anybody need an external/parallel 100 MB ZIP drive, complete with a disc still wrapped in the prophylactic? hahahahaa How's about a 17" CRT, for FREE!
 

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