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dalangdon

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I know this is an old story, but this one really takes the cake.

Last year, my partner gave me a set of Franciscan "Silver Pine" dishes for Christmas. It's a very cool, relatively unknown and uncollected set. Since then, I have picked up pieces now and then, and was thrilled to find two serving bowls for $35 on a "buy it now" sale.

Today, I got the box. Outwards, it was fine. But both the dishes were split down the center.

The same thing happened with a set of Silver Pine salad plates I purchased a few weeks ago.

I'm sure the seller will refund me the money, but why can't folks figure out how to pack stuff? Granted, this is fairly fine china, but companies ship that stuff every day.
 
I know what you mean Dan. I won a 1964 Presto perc. awhile ago, and the glass in the cover was smashed to bits, thankfully I had a spare. I looked up your pattern on replacements.com, and I must say it is quite attractive. We have a service for 12 of Cunningham & Pickett's Norway Rose pattern. We inherited it from my wife's bachelor uncle, it had sat in the attic for 40yrs. and was covered with only God knows what kind of schmutz.
 
Bubble wrap

I would suggest you ask the seller to use bubble wrap. Thankfully I haven't had any bad experiences yet on eBay.
 
I'm sorry, Dan--

about the breakage.

However, this is the main reason why I don't buy from eBay any more.

Replacements.com costs a lot more, but I've always recieved the items ordered quickly and in excellent condition. Plus, there is the fact that Replacements is a gay owned and staffed business......

I am sorry about the breakage, though.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Bubble wrap in the wrong hands may not protect.

I bought a piece of Hofbauer Red Bird crystal that broke in shipping. The seller wrapped it in bubble wrap, but pulled it too tight when taping. It was in a well padded box with plenty of packing. The tension of the wrapping, and probably jarring during shipping, caused it to break. I mean this stuff was pulled tight!
 
Lawrence, I agree with you about replacements.com . They really are the place to go for stuff, but they are SO expensive that I can't afford them very often.

I always have to giggle when replacements has a "sale". It's always at least 3% or 4% off the regular price! ;-)
 
I once got a beautiful turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster with glass bowls on Ebay. The seller's idea of good packing was a couple of plastic grocery bags wadded up & a handful of foam peanuts. Lots of room for the heavy mixer to move around in the box. I don't have to tell you what happened to the glass bowls, not to mention the new gouges in what had been nearly pristine paint & the broken speed selector dial. When I complained to the seller about her lousy packing job her excuse what that she had cancer. ?? Sorry you're sick lady, but what does that have to do with properly packing a heavy & breakable item? I feel your pain :)
Virginia
 
Many people

are just too lazy or cheap to do a proper packing job, or to let the people at the UPS Store do the packing. However, I do have a wonderful relationship with the married couple who run the UPS Store I go to....I was one of their first customers, and they pack things so well for me, that it is worth paying them.

However, many people just can't be bothered to do a good job, or are too cheap to pay to have it done for them.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
As part of being allowed to sell on ebay

All sellers should be required to read, and then pass a test on proper packaging. I have heard too many stories of people just throwing things in boxes with little or no material and just sending it off. It is a very irritating problem.
 
To be fair, people are really, really stupid.

OK, that's about as fair as I get.

I repair cameras for a living. You'd be surprised at the ridiculous way people pack up their own equipment when they ship it to us. Sometimes they'll shove it into the smallest Priority Mail package that it'll fit into (apparently assuming that 1/4" of corrugated paper will protect it), and other times they'll put it into a much larger box with no packing material at all, allowing it to bounce around inside the box while the box bounces around the US postal system.

Sometimes we get cameras that have been stuffed into padded envelopes.

Common sense is increasingly uncommon, it would seem.

-kevin
 
In 2005 I won a SAE A302 Power Amp on Ebay. The seller just dropped it in to an old MacIntosh computer box (that was beat to hell to begin with) with no packing or wrapping whatsoever and shipped it via USPS. Believe it or not it arrived here without any damage at all. The box had USPS marked tape all over it, so I assume that THEY had to retape the box during shipment.

Tons of sellers are in it just for the money and don't care about what happens to their auction items once they leave their home.

dalangdon:
I wouldn't count on the seller refunding your money. After all the product did leave their premises undamaged. They'll probably refer you to the shipping company, who will deny the claim due to improper packing. It will end up being one big circle jerk. Been there, done that.....
 
Well Dan

At least if they don't give you a refund you can leave them negative feedback. A small consolation to the fact that their
ineptitude ruined something that was in perfect , or near perfect condition. I recently had a similar experience with a
two piece phonograph I bought from Ebay. I made specific requests about packaging, and felt that by mentioning that I hate for something that has survived 45 or more years to get ruined just because I bought it, might have clued them. They used peanuts for packaging and overcharged me more than $10 according to their "add on" formula. I feel like flying to their home and hatcheting all of their personal collectibles to Smithereens! It has become apparent to me that Ebay the Corporation is a collection of mindless crooks and dung eaters!!!
 
Turntables and phonographs are amongst the hardest items to pack properly for shipment. I had a friend who had a turntable repair business, my Dual turntable website has a link to his page where it tells you how to properly pack a turntable for shipment. I have used this method numerous times, and the turntables always come thru unscathed.

And frontaloadotmy, I think you are being too hard on yourself about the damaged phonograph. The seller was just plain stupid!

http://www.theturntablefactory.com/packing.html
 
~Tons of sellers are in it just for the money and don't care about what happens to their auction items once they leave their home.

You are so right. Many seller's pad the shipping bill to increase profits. In fact I have seen seminars on how to sell on ebay that specifically say to do this. I just bought some trim for my Lincoln. I was charged $30.00 for shipping but when the box arrived the postage on it was $11.99. The trim was packaged in two priority boxes that were spliced together - the post office gives out priority boxes for free.
 
Shipping breakables like dishes

I owned a UPS store (used to be Mail Boxes Etc back in the 90's). What would have helped the shipper in this instance is to fill in the bowls with peanuts or styrofoam and shrink wrap them, to help the bowls keep the peanuts in place and keep the bowl "full". Then, you use the large bubble wrap, not the small, and wrap it twice. Also, you never want to ship 2 big bowls (or more than 4 dishes) in one box. You must ship two. But, buyers are cheap and don't want to pay for the cost of proper packing and shipping. I am a Power Seller on eBay and have had my share of nut jobs.
 
RE: My turntable packing instructions...

I often get asked by people purchasing turntables on Ebay how they should pack them. I refer them to my packing instructions AND I suggest that they offer an additional $25.00 or so to the seller to pay for the additional materials. You'd be amazed at how that improves the sellers attitude!
Once I bought a turntable off of Ebay and the seller took the time to take a block of styrofoam and with an x-acto knife custom cut the styrofoam so the turntable would fit perfectly inside with no chance of movement. It was an amazing job. He got the extra bucks to do this from me.

When I bid on items on Ebay I double check the shipping before I bid. If it's too high, I move on. I also leave neutral feedback if the shipping is too high. One woman who charged me $15.00 over the shipping, and used a freebee Priority Mail box. She told me that the extra cost covers her gas to the Post Office, the cost of her standing in line waiting for service. I told her that is just the cost of doing business and that those costs should be covered by the profit she made on her item. Needless to say she wasn't very happy with me.
But on the other hand, I have had a few sellers who have been very freindly and have been just great about packing!
 
I just saw another sleazy trick on eBay

I was looking at an item which was neither very large, very heavy, nor particularly expensive. In addition to $14.95 flat rate shipping, the seller mentioned in the description text that the winning bidder was required to pay $6 for shipping insurance.

UPS includes $100 of insurance with shipping, and USPS charges a dollar or two. To demand an additional $6 for insurance is nothing but gouging.

-kevin
 
my poor B&O tv just arrived from Germany (front side)

Here is an example of very poor packaging. The set was wrapped in a plastic bag and then fastened to a wood pallet... here is how it arrived...

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Yikes!!

Hope they will reimburse you for that TV. That is awful packing for such an expensive item. :-(
 
The rear was no better...

This is the back side... 600 euro just to get a bunch of expensive pieces of glass...The package was professionally made by the courier itself...

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Horrendous stories all. I have more than my share too, but the worst -- by far -- was the time I won a beautiful Kirby 511 (1951), in practically mint condition, all original, all the attachments & accessories, boxes, literature, including the large outer box that was just in unbelievable condition. This was way-back-when, when I had first joined eBay (1997 -- and, oh, how eBay has changed for the worse over the years) and made the mistake of giving other eBay users the benefit of the doubt, that they were intelligent.

Well, I paid for the auction then waited for it to arrive. I came home from work one day and it was pouring down rain. As I walked up the sidewalk, my heart just sunk down to my toenails when I saw a large maroon box with a KIRBY logo on front, standing on my porch in the downpour.

When I got to the box and saw it was soaked, I literally stood there and bawled. As best I could, I dragged it up onto the porch and opened it up -- which of course just meant peeling back the old, brittle cardboard. Everything inside was drenched as well, and the beautiful, mint, dark gray bag had streaks of maroon on it where the wet attachment box inside had pressed against the bag and the ink had transferred onto the bag. I knew there would be no way to remove the ink stains without ruining the bag.

Oh ... My ... God.

I don't think I have ever sent a more blistering email to anyone. I bet that lady's monitor is STILL smoking. Then after that, I called UPS and gave THEM unholy hell for leaving the box outside in the rain like that.

I mean, really, how could someone be so stupid as not to know that the box was a valuable part of this set? She knew it was old, she had described it as "vintage collectible old kirby." yet she just sent the thing in the original box, with magic marker scrawls and shipping stickers and plastic tape all over it. So even if it had not gotten wet, the box would still have been a total loss although the stuff inside would have been okay.

After that experience, I do not hesitate to send sellers very explicit packing instructions, written clearly enough for an 8-year-old to understand. And I also tell them my feedback comment will directly reflect how well they did or did not follow my instructions. If they reply with "attitude," I regale them with the above sad story and USUALLY by then they get it. But not always. There truly are some very, very, very stupid (and mean) people on eBay.

(These photos are not of the same Kirby obviously, but the same model I got later -- given to me by a friend who found it in her aunt's attic. She even delivered it to me! This one is as complete as the ruined one, but not in as-nice condition - even as nice as it is.)

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Which all this is why I don't shop on eBay, except in a very few instances for things that aren't rare, collectible, expensive, or much breakable.
 
It's not just EBay. I bought a new Briggs and Stratton 14HP engine from a place that deals in engines. It's their business. I think it was something like $40.00 for shipping.

When it arrived, it was in a box twice as large as it needed to be, with NO packing material of any kind. It was free to roll around. The end of the crankshaft was sticking through the box when it showed up. Luckily there was no damage.

When I emailed them, and told them what I thought of their shipping methods, they replied that they shipped them like this all the time, and I was the first to complain. Oh, and if I wanted to pay additional $$$$, they would have foamed it in place in the box.

Never again.....

kennyGF
 
I too, have had my share of eBay shipping....

But, to be honest, I've had more success than tragedies. While I'm not proud of the fact that I've furnish most of my house with items from eBay, I've learned that you (the buyer) need to tell the seller how to package the items. In the beginning, when I first started to buy items on eBay, it was a hit-or-miss situation. But, when I became more familiar with the item/weight or type, I would, and still do, tell the seller how I want the item packaged, and offer to pay additional if necessary. With a feed back rating of over 700, I can honestly say that I've had problems less than 5% percent of the time.

Now, I'm not trying to discount all of your horror stories, I too have my own, but it's more of a "buyer beware" situation. And it's up to the buyer to make demands on how items are shipped.
 
Well, how can it be a case of "buyer beware" situation when you are buying something from a seller sight unseen and with little if any insight into their intelligence or lack thereof?

There are sellers who just don't give a s#!t and will pack stuff as they see fit, without any regard to buyers' instructions. And you can't always go by their feedback: Sellers of this stripe are notorious about leaving unfair and false retaliatory negative feedback when someone leaves it for them as an honest indication of the transaction.

Many people, including me, are thus usually reluctant to leave a negative, especially in view of eBay's cop-out "we are just a forum" policy of not intervening in the feedback process unless a feedback contains profanity or threats.

So again, how could you consider the onus to be on the buyer?!
 
I have at times added the following to my Paypal payment to the seller:

" Dear Seller, Thank you in advance for advising the shipping company as to the contents and your packing method. If there is any doubt as to the proper packing of the item, the person that is receiving the parcel from you can many times advise if you are indeed properly protecting the item being shipped
Improperly packed items will always be denied when a claim is filed. If you are still in doubt as to the proper packing of the item please feel free to call me at ......"

I ended up doing this when I was collecting Candlewick glass. I had a long stretch where I would receive more broken items than intact items.

I had usually started out when paying by asking the seller to please place cardboard between plates along with the other packing, very simple.

I rec'd one parcel, 12 dinner plates stacked one on top of the other, absolutely nothing between the plates, all broken.

Frankly being an Ebay buyer and seller, when I am a buyer, my responsibility is to pay promptly. As a seller I am to ship safely and promptly.

As someone mentioned above, Ebay will completely wash its hands in the event you have a dishonorable person, either seller or buyer. A dishonorable person cares little about poor feedback and if they do, they simply retaliate.

I have rattled on....sore sore subject with me.
 
Well, the seller got back to me, and refunded me the purchase price, but not the shipping price. That's somewhat ironic, but since the shipping was not very much, I'm not going to complain.

Chalk another one up to experience....
 
Wow, shocking that they refunded your money to you. But you lucked out big time!

Now for the legalese....
It is completely reasonable to expect the seller to take reasonable and responsible care to ensure that a product that they are shipping is adequately packed for shipment to the buyer. The degree of care that under the circumstances would ordinarily or usually be exercised by or might reasonably be expected of an ordinary prudent person (a Reasonable Man). The exercise or absence of reasonable care, which is a jury question, often determines the verdict in tort cases or cases involving injury to others properties.

As for stupid people on Ebay.......
People get away today with such outrageous behavior that would not be acceptable just one generation ago. No longer is there any retaliation or punishment for being plain stupid or being irresponsible. Therefore, irresponsibility has become a life style for many these days.

I think I have created a paradox!
 
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