Early Kenmore Automatic Washers 1949-1952

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<span style="font-size: medium;">Does anyone have information on these machines? Reliability, issues, parts availability? How many years was this particular model manufactured? 1952 Model shown. Any info or opinions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!</span>

 



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One thing I can tell you about all wig-wag Kenpools. The first thing to freeze in a cold snap is the pump valve. Then it bends the linkage and won't drain. The dimensions aren't critical though and the linkage can be bent back to where it works. Found that out in 1982 Oklahoma City with my friend's garaged Kenpool.
 
Dose that say

7 rinses & spray plus power rinse?
Guess you could have put enough Soap/detergent to float a battle ship, and it would still rinse it out LOL

Is there a modern machine out now that dose that?
 
All those rinses except one are spin-spray rinses. Can you imagine the hot water requirements for six warm deep rinses?!

I was surprised by one of the listed requirements: Must be within 25 miles of a Sears store or outlet. That kept their machines out of many rural areas, no doubt.
 
Great Machines!

I still use for an everyday washer a 1955 Cyclafabric Kenmore,its tough and washes excellant.Good quality also.I have a 1951 Whirlpool also same machine. You wont be sorry to aquire one. Bobby
 
Earlty 1950s KMs and WP washers

These were and can be good machines and allthough the basic mechisium was the same on BD WP products from 1947-1987 there were quite a few changes starting around 1956 that made the 1956 and later machines much easier to keep running. Louie get in touch with me if you need more information about this machine, I would also need more information from you as to what you would want this machine to do for you to give any better more detailed answer to your question.

 

There is no pump valve in this era of WP built washer, although I don't know why it matters because ANY washer ever made will not work and may be damaged if you let it freeze and no matter what brand or design washer you have water still freezes at 32 degrees F so I don't think it would make any difference what brand washer you let freeze.
 
rotoswirl agitator

I saw many of these front-control Kenmores when I was a child, but never saw one with a Roto Swirl agitator inside. They all had straight vaned agitators. It also looks like the Roto Swirl had the small cap on it.
 
In Crystal Beach, Ontario, when I was a tyke,

A lady had a Laundromat where she did the laundry. One one side was a whole row of KM's like the model pictured, and they must not have had lid switches because all the machine were always open. There was a dairy next door, and every time after getting an ice-cream cone, I'd nearly press my face to her all glass building front, too young to know not to stare, and one day she let me in. Fifteen of these beauties in various stages of the cycle had me speechless. Pure bliss.

 

The other side of the giant wide-open structure was a row of dryers. And out of a huge rear opening was an elevated platform with a pulley clothesline that went for yards and yards to the rear of the modern property. Sheets, and sheets, and sheets. I visited many times. One of her dryers was missing a glass panel, but she used it anyway.

 

She had a garden hose attached to a board with a faucet on it which she used to add more water for extra-large loads. The board was always resting on one machine or another. Her extra-water mod, which so impressed my young mind, was long enough to reach any machine in the square cement structure. I visited many times. Children sometimes live in heaven on earth, ya know!
 
A bunch of comments to make for me:

First, I agree with Rich...I have seen a number of these, but not with a Roto-Swirl, they all had the 6-vane straight vane agitator which was shared with Whirlpool models.

The original part number for the 'pregnant' Roto-Swirl is a VERY early, five digit number (like 16211 or something), so they were clearly around in the very early days. By the mid 60s most part numbers had moved into the 95xxx range, and were moving into the six digit category shortly after.

As to what commonly freezes - I don't agree, not with my experience anyway. What I have seen that freezes first is the mixing valve. Many times the underneath mechanicals escape a lot of outside freezes, but its the mixing valve that bathes the backside of the inner cabinet with a high pressure shower when you put water to a cracked and previously frozen valve. This is especially true if hoses were left attached.

About the spray rinses - in even the last of the belt drives, there are a total of 8 sprays between first and final spin, four in each spin. Counting them that way would make for a total of 9 "rinses". This applies to most machines, but some BOL early models had fewer.

Finally, and something I have noticed and learned very recently - in using the ultra-cool 1968 24-inch machine that Andy sent me...this machine has a two-minute drain period. I have not used a machine with this in some time. A four-minute drain, which was engineered largely to give large capacity machines time to fully empty, allows smaller machines or machines with little internal plumbing (thus they drain F A S T) time to let suds subside before the machine takes off into spin and whips up more suds. The spray rinses are as much designed to rinse the clothes as they are to flush suds build-up out of the outer tub, which is why half of more of the BD spray is directed over the basket and into the outer tub directly instead of on the clothes.

Gordon
 
Thanks for the neat ad!

My parents bought that machine with suds-saver when we moved from Chicago to Grand Ridge, IL, just south of Ottawa and north of Streator, probably in early 1952. It had the Roto Swirl. Our next door neighbor's machine like it in GA had the straight vane agitator w/o suds-saver. We took it to Georgia where the houses did not have set tubs and had to buy a portable laundry tub from Sears for the sudsaver. Suds valve went first so no more suds-saver, but that was no tragedy since we had a gas water heater by then. Then the bearings started going and we bought the 58 LK. We were on the way to a Maytag dealer when Daddy suggested to mom that we pull in to the BIG GIANT Sears Store on Ponce de Leon in Atlanta. No chance of a Maytag after that and what a blessing. If they had bought a Maytag, I would not have been able to enjoy the 8 other automatics we had. A young couple came and bought the old washer for $50.00. I wish I hadn't thrown away the splash guard for the big fat Roto Swirl agitator. It kept the suds from flying up the ramps of the agitator during the suds return. I never had the chance to see what it would do without the guard. Momma watched that machine like a hawk. Once I tried to turn the water temperature to MED during fill and she was there immediately having heard the change in the sound of the water.

Here's a question: Which year was it that they raised the mechanism up so there was not that deep space between the opening and the tub?
 
Interesting variery

the add says 7 rinses, 6 spray and one aka deep, which is 3 sprays after the wash and 3 after the rinse, matching the 7 rinses of the Whirlpools of that era. I wonder what year the move was made to 8 rinses. I think I remember a machine, a Whirlpool maybe, that sprayed 4 times after the wash but only 3 after the rinse. It would be satisfying to know the history, however inconsistent it was between the two brands

 

My 63 LK has a two minute drain. I lost this bet to John combo, thinking it drained for 4. It would be nice to know when the 4 minute came to pass, and how many 12 pound tubs had this feature.

 

Anyway, that laundromat, was woo-woo, selenoid-crunch, and spray rinse heaven....errrrr errrrrrr errrrrr psssssssssst pssssssssst. It was my first view of the roto. I noticed how different these agis were from neighbor Tom's identical Whirpool clone of this machine; his had a black Surgilator, and buzzed when done with an amazing lid pop-up. Intoxicating memories. Thanks, Louie !
 
WP/KM spray rinses are very short, a few seconds, unlike others where it is 30-60 seconds. If the WP/KM sprayed very much, they would sudslock. The early ads for WP machines used to say that while it rinses 7 times, it used no more water than some machines that gave 2 rinses. I don't know what they were using as a base for comparison.

I don't know if it was the pump or just what stayed in the drain hose and sort of fell back through the pump, but when the machine whirled to a stop for the rinse fill, the fill water that came up through the bottom of the tub had foam on top and that was with low sudsing detergent. It was not a lather, just some suds.
 
Wow, thanks guys!

<span style="font-size: medium;">I really appreciate all your comments, opinions. There is precious little information on these washers out there. I may be able to purchase one of these soon. I'll keep you all posted. </span>
 
Early WP/KM spray rinses were in the 7-8 second range. In the very late 60s or early 70s there were reduced to 5 seconds. Some of this has to do with the actually "fill rate" of various machines. Maytag machines greatly reduced the flow of incoming water both through the inlet valve and the injector assembly. My Maytag A806 series 0 takes nearly 5 minutes to fill with 19 gallons of water while my 1967 Kenmore 800 fills with 18 gallons in about 3 minutes. I had always heard that the reason for the "pulsed" spray rinses was so that the pump didn't become overloaded during the spin. It was(is) also VERY helpful during a suds lock condition. I think i have suds locked the A806 once, the Kenmore...well...I'm going to claim the seal of the confessional on that one!!!
 
I've got the matching washer and dryer, both from 1953. Am in desperate search of a new pump for the washer -- it had sat unused for decades so it's frozen/corroded solid and the impeller is shot. Anybody have an extra pump they want to sell? Thanks.
Todd
 

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