Energized Water Does the Washing!
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Robert
Thank you for making the video and sharing.
What a great washer. I could play with that
for hours. What fun!
Patrick
Thank you for making the video and sharing.
What a great washer. I could play with that
for hours. What fun!
Patrick
christfr
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wow
now that a cool machine!
now that a cool machine!
How many rpms does it spin? It is the same frequency as the agitation?
Jason I think its 560rpm or so and yes the same freq for agitation.
Robert, what are the dimentions of the tub?
Not sure Peter, but it's like a large capacity Mini-basket.
Does it do this quickly when you load it dry and start from scratch?
Almost as fast.
does the water stay in the outer tub for re-using??
Hi Mike only the early GE does that.
Did you measure the dry weight of clothes for an average load, or did you gauge it on the rollover??
Just by the look of the rollover.
the energy disc seems to throb in sync with the spin, during the dry-part of the cycle.
Yes it does David when being driven by the motor.
So, is this machine basically a shaftless Philco?
That is exactly right Jamie.
Robert are you going to post these clips to See It Wash? Danf.
Someday when I get around to it.
Jason I think its 560rpm or so and yes the same freq for agitation.
Robert, what are the dimentions of the tub?
Not sure Peter, but it's like a large capacity Mini-basket.
Does it do this quickly when you load it dry and start from scratch?
Almost as fast.
does the water stay in the outer tub for re-using??
Hi Mike only the early GE does that.
Did you measure the dry weight of clothes for an average load, or did you gauge it on the rollover??
Just by the look of the rollover.
the energy disc seems to throb in sync with the spin, during the dry-part of the cycle.
Yes it does David when being driven by the motor.
So, is this machine basically a shaftless Philco?
That is exactly right Jamie.
Robert are you going to post these clips to See It Wash? Danf.
Someday when I get around to it.
From the books...
The tub holds 12 gallons of water and is rated for an 8-9 pound load. There are three vanes on the Energy Disc and it moves in a pulsating motion at 600 rpm on the driveshaft, pulsations occur at the rate of 1800 per minute which creates the power surge action and forces the water through the clothes. Since the motor simply reverses for spin, that rate is also 600 rpm.
In real life...
The tub seems smaller than than their stats would lead you to believe, we should have weighed the load to see what it really was.
The spin seems slower than 600, perhaps it's the narrow tub and the visually large disc in the bottom moving that throws off the sense of speed. In any case, because of the narrow tub, the spin result was just OK.
Simple multiplication gives them the 1800 pulsations/min. figure but I don't think it has much bearing on the performance. It's very cool to watch, but it's very prone to overloading and much like an overloaded Frigidaire pulsator, performance suffers.
The tub holds 12 gallons of water and is rated for an 8-9 pound load. There are three vanes on the Energy Disc and it moves in a pulsating motion at 600 rpm on the driveshaft, pulsations occur at the rate of 1800 per minute which creates the power surge action and forces the water through the clothes. Since the motor simply reverses for spin, that rate is also 600 rpm.
In real life...
The tub seems smaller than than their stats would lead you to believe, we should have weighed the load to see what it really was.
The spin seems slower than 600, perhaps it's the narrow tub and the visually large disc in the bottom moving that throws off the sense of speed. In any case, because of the narrow tub, the spin result was just OK.
Simple multiplication gives them the 1800 pulsations/min. figure but I don't think it has much bearing on the performance. It's very cool to watch, but it's very prone to overloading and much like an overloaded Frigidaire pulsator, performance suffers.
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Wow! That was cool! Especialy when it went into spin and all the water instantly rushed out of the tub in like, a few seconds!
Nice machine and videos!
Nice machine and videos!
Videos!
Robert,
I watched the videos of this machine again and really love it. The turnover is really good and nice long spray rinces which are non existant any longer and great overflow rinse. I also really love the sound the machine makes while washing. Very soothing sound of the water flapping.
Thanks again,
Peter
Robert,
I watched the videos of this machine again and really love it. The turnover is really good and nice long spray rinces which are non existant any longer and great overflow rinse. I also really love the sound the machine makes while washing. Very soothing sound of the water flapping.
Thanks again,
Peter
jmirawm
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feeling dejected.....
left out, outcast, all alone......Hands on hips, *copy and paste question here* <p>I am wondering how effective the spray rinse is. Wondering If you were to load up a dry load and set it to the first spin how much of the clothing would be wet. Is it just mainly hitting the lower part of the clothes, or is the postless agitator doing a good job of splattering the water all over ?
left out, outcast, all alone......Hands on hips, *copy and paste question here* <p>I am wondering how effective the spray rinse is. Wondering If you were to load up a dry load and set it to the first spin how much of the clothing would be wet. Is it just mainly hitting the lower part of the clothes, or is the postless agitator doing a good job of splattering the water all over ?
Sorry Tom
Hi Tom, actually I didn't know the answer to your question that is why I didn't say anything.
Anyway, your experiment is a good idea and I will try it and let you know the outcome.
Hi Tom, actually I didn't know the answer to your question that is why I didn't say anything.
Anyway, your experiment is a good idea and I will try it and let you know the outcome.
mayken4now
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The answer to come soon, I bet. Don't feel left out Tom, we just have to be patient and understanding with all the experiments and their owners, as one works hard and long on these machines. Questions are always available, but the answers can take a while.
Steve
Steve
You're right Tom! I took a couple of towels and placed them in the machine dry and set it to the first spin. After three minutes of dry spin the spray rinse started and look, only the bottom of the towels get soaked, the tops are only very slightly damp.
Check out this Flash Freeze Frame Picture taken during the spray rinse...
Check out this Flash Freeze Frame Picture taken during the spray rinse...
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That's a fun little machine, and I thought you actually got quite a bit in it in that one piece at a time demo. There were probably standard capacity regular automatics that couldn't have handled that load as well as this did. It's a fun machine to watch work.
I love the shiny chrome top of the "flapper" and I even like the shade of formica she chose for the lid!
I love the shiny chrome top of the "flapper" and I even like the shade of formica she chose for the lid!
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very nice photo. im starting to believe that spray rinses, in general, are as much for clearing the tub and pump of suds, as rinsing clothes.
gyrafoam
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Yes, it is too bad they did not expand on the capacity of this machine. About double to 16 lbs. would have given it a chance to compete on a level playing field for years. 18 lbs. would have been better. It also helps explain where Philco came up with their "Blades-o-Water" design.
How is the "tangle" factor without a centerpost?
How is the "tangle" factor without a centerpost?
How is the "tangle" factor without a centerpost?
Steve it's too soon to tell, we wont know until October when can start wearing long sleeve shirts again. I find the only items that can really tangle in these machines are long sleeved, light weight, button down shirts if washed all together in one load.
Steve it's too soon to tell, we wont know until October when can start wearing long sleeve shirts again. I find the only items that can really tangle in these machines are long sleeved, light weight, button down shirts if washed all together in one load.
jmirawm
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ohhhh........
I am fine....I just had to give ya a little hell Robert
Thanks for the cool test !
Tom the ornery one
I am fine....I just had to give ya a little hell Robert
Thanks for the cool test !
Tom the ornery one
comparison
Since someone compared it to the automagic (philco) ... pardon my ignorance ... has anyone run an automagic without the top partion of the agitator in place (with the just the flapper portion working) ... if this can even be done? Does it look about the same with the turnover? I have never seen either in person, so I am wondering if the turnover is about the same with both of these machines? From the videos that I saw in the past, the Philco didn't seem to have as good a turnover as this little machine does? Or, am I wrong? Todd
Since someone compared it to the automagic (philco) ... pardon my ignorance ... has anyone run an automagic without the top partion of the agitator in place (with the just the flapper portion working) ... if this can even be done? Does it look about the same with the turnover? I have never seen either in person, so I am wondering if the turnover is about the same with both of these machines? From the videos that I saw in the past, the Philco didn't seem to have as good a turnover as this little machine does? Or, am I wrong? Todd
So for some strange reason my PowerSurge washer originally had two gray rubber agitator disks mounted together on the top of the Energy Disk. So over the weekend I soaked them in hot water and got the two original disks to separate and we tried just the one disk and it worked much better for rollover as you had seen in the videos posted above. I have no idea why two disks were installed in this machine since the parts manual only calls for one disk. So after seeing that difference I wondered what would happen if I try some brand new rubber.. The old rubber on the agitator disk was very hard and it was going to crack, so I went to my rubber supply store and bought 1/4” neoprene rubber to match the thickness of the original disk. I cut a new disk in the exact same size as the original and look what happened…
http://68.89.57.239/VID/BENDIX-Power-SURGE/NewRubber.wmv
http://68.89.57.239/VID/BENDIX-Power-SURGE/NewRubber.wmv
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WOW, what a difference new rubber makes, I can't believe how FAST the turnover is now! Reminds me of a Unimatic! I'm willing to bet this increased the working capacity a little bit as well.
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wow
you should thrown in a couple pairs of grandpas farm coveralls! imagine using Tide?
you should thrown in a couple pairs of grandpas farm coveralls! imagine using Tide?
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Robert
Have you done any loads with detergent? How's the sudsation?
An incredible improvement. Even with a brittle energy disk it
is still a wonderful machine.
Have you done any loads with detergent? How's the sudsation?
An incredible improvement. Even with a brittle energy disk it
is still a wonderful machine.
Re: energy disk washer.
Great machine Robert. I would even consider owning one of these machines. With this type of wash action it would be gentle one the fabric and your clothes would last longer. I would like to see it with some Oxydol in it. washing a load of whites or white towels. Danf.
Great machine Robert. I would even consider owning one of these machines. With this type of wash action it would be gentle one the fabric and your clothes would last longer. I would like to see it with some Oxydol in it. washing a load of whites or white towels. Danf.
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Hi Robert. Yes, the new disk does make a difference. Thank you for the video....it was fascinating.
Ross
Ross
peterh770
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How strange!!! When you had the new rubber disc cut for the Automagic, the rollover decreased, but with this one, it increased. Do you see any difference in the rubber between the two machines?
This Time It's Neoprene
Have you done any loads with detergent? How's the sudsation?
Yes I have done lots of loads with detegent Dan. I would say its a medium sudser, it would be a lot sudsier if there was an agitator post sticking up above the water.
Do you see any difference in the rubber between the two machines?
Peter I can't tell because in the '59 Philco the OEM Philco rubber is soft and pliable just like when it was new, but in the PowerSurge the rubber disk was hard and brittle. The difference here might be the type of rubber, six years ago when I cut the rubber for the my first Philco I used hard store gasket rubber, this time I used Neoprene which might make all the difference. Neoprene is the type of rubber that was mainly used in the 1950's on rubber style agitators.
Have you done any loads with detergent? How's the sudsation?
Yes I have done lots of loads with detegent Dan. I would say its a medium sudser, it would be a lot sudsier if there was an agitator post sticking up above the water.
Do you see any difference in the rubber between the two machines?
Peter I can't tell because in the '59 Philco the OEM Philco rubber is soft and pliable just like when it was new, but in the PowerSurge the rubber disk was hard and brittle. The difference here might be the type of rubber, six years ago when I cut the rubber for the my first Philco I used hard store gasket rubber, this time I used Neoprene which might make all the difference. Neoprene is the type of rubber that was mainly used in the 1950's on rubber style agitators.
golittlesport
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Wow! What a difference new rubber makes! Thanks, Robert, for sharing this machine through all of your videos.
Bursts of energy escaping at the surface!
Well, now that's Energized water!! I understand now why the lid/cover of the machine was dome shaped, the water splashed out could run back into the tub.
Well, now that's Energized water!! I understand now why the lid/cover of the machine was dome shaped, the water splashed out could run back into the tub.
Soooo
What was the "Magic Moment" like....did we all enjoy it!!!
What was the "Magic Moment" like....did we all enjoy it!!!
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you say didn't put any soap in
even though you say you didn't put any soap in the washer, judging by the soap suds in the center of the water, I would say the agiplate, did a good job at beating alot of the excess soap out of it. Which means the agiplate gets clothes cleaner then front loaders and regular agitator washers. I was immpressed with your washer and I loved the video's, and at how fast it spun the water out man that was impressive.
even though you say you didn't put any soap in the washer, judging by the soap suds in the center of the water, I would say the agiplate, did a good job at beating alot of the excess soap out of it. Which means the agiplate gets clothes cleaner then front loaders and regular agitator washers. I was immpressed with your washer and I loved the video's, and at how fast it spun the water out man that was impressive.
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