BRUSSELS, Belgium — The European Union (EU) has banned the most inefficient washing machines in a plan to save the equivalent of two power plants worth of electricity and cut 3.8 million tons in carbon-dioxide emissions annually by 2020.
European Union Bans Inefficient Washing Machines
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the fact that our clean water reserves are shrinking and the energy needed for de-salinization and sewage treatment far exceeds our current capacity, this is a good thing.
Really, truly - where on earth did the idea come to be that wasting resources to achieve a goal was better than marshaling our resources to achieve maximum efficiency?
Once upon a time we had a motto: Use it up, wear it out, fix it or do without. After several decades of pretending we are all just going to jump in our rocket ships and leave the garbage dump we are turning this planet into, maybe the time has come to drop the nonsense that waste=wealth.
Of course, it is no accident that the EU decisions come about after we developed activators which make genuine cleaning and true hygiene possible in 40°C or colder water...
the fact that our clean water reserves are shrinking and the energy needed for de-salinization and sewage treatment far exceeds our current capacity, this is a good thing.
Really, truly - where on earth did the idea come to be that wasting resources to achieve a goal was better than marshaling our resources to achieve maximum efficiency?
Once upon a time we had a motto: Use it up, wear it out, fix it or do without. After several decades of pretending we are all just going to jump in our rocket ships and leave the garbage dump we are turning this planet into, maybe the time has come to drop the nonsense that waste=wealth.
Of course, it is no accident that the EU decisions come about after we developed activators which make genuine cleaning and true hygiene possible in 40°C or colder water...
askomiele
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I have no idea what kind of washers they banned by this?
Are there inefficient washers in Europe for home use? Toploaders are only sold to commercial laundry places, but also there it's not common anymore, only UK and Ireland had TL's in there productrange...
Are there inefficient washers in Europe for home use? Toploaders are only sold to commercial laundry places, but also there it's not common anymore, only UK and Ireland had TL's in there productrange...
It's relative,
Askomiele. There are machines which get "D" or lower ratings on the market and some which are so abominably bad, we don't see them here in Central Europe, at all.
The EU now embraces (foolishly) not only the developed West and Center, we also have an enormous number of truly poor countries with populations just now beginning to escape from the slough of communist oppression. They will be buying/replacing their old machines with these higher efficiency ones, instead of being two or three generations behind us, as has been the case up until know.
That's my take on it, anyway. I doubt you'll see much significant improvement in TOL products, more across the broad middle range.
It also, of course, serves to limit the Chinese market somewhat as the steps needed to improve efficiency all require a degree of technology and quality assurance which the Chinese are not (yet) prepared to invest.
Not, of course, that our dearly beloved un-democratic leaders in Belgium would ever dream of such un-capitalistic policies.
Askomiele. There are machines which get "D" or lower ratings on the market and some which are so abominably bad, we don't see them here in Central Europe, at all.
The EU now embraces (foolishly) not only the developed West and Center, we also have an enormous number of truly poor countries with populations just now beginning to escape from the slough of communist oppression. They will be buying/replacing their old machines with these higher efficiency ones, instead of being two or three generations behind us, as has been the case up until know.
That's my take on it, anyway. I doubt you'll see much significant improvement in TOL products, more across the broad middle range.
It also, of course, serves to limit the Chinese market somewhat as the steps needed to improve efficiency all require a degree of technology and quality assurance which the Chinese are not (yet) prepared to invest.
Not, of course, that our dearly beloved un-democratic leaders in Belgium would ever dream of such un-capitalistic policies.
ronhic
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It also, of course, serves to limit the Chinese market somew
Panthera,
Be carefull with that statement.
It may have been the case in the not too distant past, but the Chinese are not slow on the uptake of new technology and have a very rapidly growing middle class who what quality and reliability.
...and as for efficiency, all BOL and MOL Whirlpool front load machines that are sold here are made in China. Haier are a Chinese brand that introduced the first machine on the Australian market that used less than 40litres to do 6kg..(ok, it didn't rinse well...but they are trying)
Both Bosch and Electrolux have a plant in Thailand
....and here is a shock for many of you. We have a base model Miele cleaner sold here that is made in China (from mostly German parts)...
You will underestimate the ability of China, India et.al at the peril of your own industry....
Panthera,
Be carefull with that statement.
It may have been the case in the not too distant past, but the Chinese are not slow on the uptake of new technology and have a very rapidly growing middle class who what quality and reliability.
...and as for efficiency, all BOL and MOL Whirlpool front load machines that are sold here are made in China. Haier are a Chinese brand that introduced the first machine on the Australian market that used less than 40litres to do 6kg..(ok, it didn't rinse well...but they are trying)
Both Bosch and Electrolux have a plant in Thailand
....and here is a shock for many of you. We have a base model Miele cleaner sold here that is made in China (from mostly German parts)...
You will underestimate the ability of China, India et.al at the peril of your own industry....
hoovermatic
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LOL! This is just another useless piece of Euro legislation spewed out by those utterly tiresome and petty minded criminals known as MEP's. There are so many more important things to worry about like the massive scale of corruption, fraud and theft that goes on within the EU parliament, as it is here in the UK. Pathetic mewlings from a bunch of oxygen thieves.
Chris,
You're absolutely right, of course. That's why I said "not yet".
I have a fair number of foreign students in my courses (teach at a technical university) and the Chinese are anything but slow and unimaginative.
Up until now, tho', they've pretty much focused on the lower range markets here in Europe, partly because the Italians do outstanding design even in cheaper products and the Eastern Europeans do cheap and slightly better than the Chinese.
But, yup - unless we get our acts together, it's all over soon.
You're absolutely right, of course. That's why I said "not yet".
I have a fair number of foreign students in my courses (teach at a technical university) and the Chinese are anything but slow and unimaginative.
Up until now, tho', they've pretty much focused on the lower range markets here in Europe, partly because the Italians do outstanding design even in cheaper products and the Eastern Europeans do cheap and slightly better than the Chinese.
But, yup - unless we get our acts together, it's all over soon.
Many European Countries
Germany and France come to mind, but many of the Western EU nations are in the same boat in that they face increasing demand for electrical power, despite in most places a falling population.
Simply put limited petrol supplies (mainly in the UK and northern EU), and coal (of which there is tons of in Europe and the UK) pretty much off the table, that only leaves nukes which is an explosive issue. Natural gas comes mainly from Russia, who has NOT been playing nice lately and using it's supply often to hold EU nations by their short and curlies.
For all the above and other reasons something has to start somewhere, and it seems appliances are the beginning.
It does not help that European countries are for the most part centuries older than the United States, and thus had more time to ravage the eco-system and damage things such as water tables.
As the generations born before, during and years after the war die off, so will many of their old ways. Today's young Europeans want every mod-con offered. This means fully fitted kitchens with dishwashers, microwaves,washing machines, tumble dryers, hot water heaters and the like. When one adds in one (or more) television sets, computers, DVD/CD players and the lot of what is considered must haves today, we are talking about a considerable increase in electrical demand by the average EU household.
Germany and France come to mind, but many of the Western EU nations are in the same boat in that they face increasing demand for electrical power, despite in most places a falling population.
Simply put limited petrol supplies (mainly in the UK and northern EU), and coal (of which there is tons of in Europe and the UK) pretty much off the table, that only leaves nukes which is an explosive issue. Natural gas comes mainly from Russia, who has NOT been playing nice lately and using it's supply often to hold EU nations by their short and curlies.
For all the above and other reasons something has to start somewhere, and it seems appliances are the beginning.
It does not help that European countries are for the most part centuries older than the United States, and thus had more time to ravage the eco-system and damage things such as water tables.
As the generations born before, during and years after the war die off, so will many of their old ways. Today's young Europeans want every mod-con offered. This means fully fitted kitchens with dishwashers, microwaves,washing machines, tumble dryers, hot water heaters and the like. When one adds in one (or more) television sets, computers, DVD/CD players and the lot of what is considered must haves today, we are talking about a considerable increase in electrical demand by the average EU household.
All you see here in the stores is B or more efficient machines. Haven't seen a D-labelled machine for ages!
dj-gabriele
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Same here!
Fridges are all A, A+ or A++
Dishwashers and washing machines are all A cleaning and A energy and the only thing you see in "B" or "C" class are older washer dryers because even on them, the new models are all A class energy like the Aqualtis or the new Candy Alisè machines.
Fridges are all A, A+ or A++
Dishwashers and washing machines are all A cleaning and A energy and the only thing you see in "B" or "C" class are older washer dryers because even on them, the new models are all A class energy like the Aqualtis or the new Candy Alisè machines.
deeprinser
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Whatever happened to freedom of choice ?
If I want to have a washing machine that uses 100 ltrs a wash -So what !
Im paying for the water and electricity bills !
Incidentally, I have to reset my Creda 1200 to repeat the rinse programme everytime !
Id like to see Big brother in Brussels stop me ?
If I want to have a washing machine that uses 100 ltrs a wash -So what !
Im paying for the water and electricity bills !
Incidentally, I have to reset my Creda 1200 to repeat the rinse programme everytime !
Id like to see Big brother in Brussels stop me ?
George Bruxell - 1984 ;-)
"The BigBrother is always washing you !!" *LOL*
The A rating is referred to Cottons ECO 60°C cycle ...for our sake we have a "hidden" freedom of choice: options.
Washers and dishwashers have those stupid cycles only to achieve that beloved AAA rating. Normal cycles and options allow you to do whatever you want
AEG and Zannies W rate very water efficent on the ECO cycle cause they run only 2 rinses. With normal cycles or pressing "sensitive" you can have deep rinses. Miele do the same trickin' with "waterplus" "short" and spin speed (higher wash level, higher rinse level, 4th or 5th rinse).
My W844 -rated 52 litres- uses the double if well tricked (spin speed @ 600 rpm, this adds a rinse - short, raises rinse level but cuts a rinse- water plus raises level and adds a rinse) then I switch back to 1200 rpm (but the further rinse still remains)
"The BigBrother is always washing you !!" *LOL*
The A rating is referred to Cottons ECO 60°C cycle ...for our sake we have a "hidden" freedom of choice: options.
Washers and dishwashers have those stupid cycles only to achieve that beloved AAA rating. Normal cycles and options allow you to do whatever you want
AEG and Zannies W rate very water efficent on the ECO cycle cause they run only 2 rinses. With normal cycles or pressing "sensitive" you can have deep rinses. Miele do the same trickin' with "waterplus" "short" and spin speed (higher wash level, higher rinse level, 4th or 5th rinse).
My W844 -rated 52 litres- uses the double if well tricked (spin speed @ 600 rpm, this adds a rinse - short, raises rinse level but cuts a rinse- water plus raises level and adds a rinse) then I switch back to 1200 rpm (but the further rinse still remains)
toggleswitch2
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I'm realy shockcd American dishwashers don't have a
1- prewash option
2- 2nd rinse option
3- double long dry (i.e. make a regular dry 15 minutes and a super dry 30 minutes.
This way on "normal" wash there would have none of these as defaults; the energy rating will be better, but you can still get performance options.
1- prewash option
2- 2nd rinse option
3- double long dry (i.e. make a regular dry 15 minutes and a super dry 30 minutes.
This way on "normal" wash there would have none of these as defaults; the energy rating will be better, but you can still get performance options.
They should be banned!
I really see no reason why these machines shouldn't be banned.
Basically the European Union is banning appliances with abysmal energy ratings, lower than D, and I really don't think that's a bad thing.
It will get some of the absolute rubbish off the market.
I haven't seen ANY washing machine scoring lower than a B rating on the market here anyway so I don't think people should really be getting too upset about it.
It just means good-bye to some of the worst BOL machines out there, most of which are only found in the new member states of Eastern Europe.
There are BOL machines which do produce good energy results, and they should be encouraged.
There's absolutely no point in producing machines that just waste electricity for no good reason other than to save some cheapo manufacturer a few Euros on components.
I really see no reason why these machines shouldn't be banned.
Basically the European Union is banning appliances with abysmal energy ratings, lower than D, and I really don't think that's a bad thing.
It will get some of the absolute rubbish off the market.
I haven't seen ANY washing machine scoring lower than a B rating on the market here anyway so I don't think people should really be getting too upset about it.
It just means good-bye to some of the worst BOL machines out there, most of which are only found in the new member states of Eastern Europe.
There are BOL machines which do produce good energy results, and they should be encouraged.
There's absolutely no point in producing machines that just waste electricity for no good reason other than to save some cheapo manufacturer a few Euros on components.
I'm getting curious to know what washers will actually be banned as nobody seems to have seen a machine with a low energy rating.
It seems that the effect of this decision is effectively nil and another proof of the energy and money that is wasted in the European Parliament.
It seems that the effect of this decision is effectively nil and another proof of the energy and money that is wasted in the European Parliament.
electron1100
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The GREAT GREEN RELIGION................divides all, like every other religion...........the only winners are the utility companies and governments............the poor public are bombarded with guilt and spin to control them........this is fastest growing most damaging industry ................the perpetuators of this all should be shot
I for one am not drawn into any of this, it is a disgrace……….
The GREAT GREEN RELIGION................divides all, like every other religion...........the only winners are the utility companies and governments............the poor public are bombarded with guilt and spin to control them........this is fastest growing most damaging industry ................the perpetuators of this all should be shot
I for one am not drawn into any of this, it is a disgrace……….
