I don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but Fagor was featured on the HGTV KBIS 2009 show last week. One of their new products for the USA is a combo machine. I thought it was a mistake, and nothing is on their website yet. Surprisingly, they did answer my email about it and sent a PDF file. I wasn't sure if I could upload the PDF, so I converted it to GIF. Not exactly a lot of information, but at least there was a response. No, I don't work for Fagor-I just have a passion for combos and would like to see a more robust machine for the US market (220V) that can dry a load decently. Here's the content of the email<br<br<br
Fagor Washer/Dryer Combo for USA-September 2009 Release
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Fagor
Good to know it!
Thanks a lot for the precious informations<br
Fagor is a Fagor-Brandt brand here in Europe, merchandized in France. In Italy market is the actual owner of the storic Sangiorgio brand<br
Wonder indeed if they'll arrive there with their French most popular products like TLHA!!!!<br
There are TL washing machine, TL dryer and TL combos washer/dryer too, all 40-45cm wide to achieve the most important features of French appliances (due to the small size of French town flats) which is to be just wide not more than 40-45cm. The load is 5-6-7Kg and rise up to 7,5Kg in 45c<br
Diomede
Good to know it!
Thanks a lot for the precious informations<br
Fagor is a Fagor-Brandt brand here in Europe, merchandized in France. In Italy market is the actual owner of the storic Sangiorgio brand<br
Wonder indeed if they'll arrive there with their French most popular products like TLHA!!!!<br
There are TL washing machine, TL dryer and TL combos washer/dryer too, all 40-45cm wide to achieve the most important features of French appliances (due to the small size of French town flats) which is to be just wide not more than 40-45cm. The load is 5-6-7Kg and rise up to 7,5Kg in 45c<br
Diomede
alr2903-yes this is the same Fagor that makes cookware. I have never seen a Fagor appliance in person. I just happened to see this product on HGTV<br
vivalalavatrice-wouldn't it be nice if US consumers could have machines that you described? Perhaps someday!
vivalalavatrice-wouldn't it be nice if US consumers could have machines that you described? Perhaps someday!
Euro toploaders in the US
arl2903, I' m afraid you' ll have to wait until the Staber patent will be expired<br
Even Whirlpool, Bosch/Siemens, Electrolux , Miele , Candy group and Merloni sell them in EU. Check their french/german sites ( The Brits prefer FL, so EU TL are rare on xyz.co.uk)<br
Anyway manufacturers lie about capacity. A 40 cm wide toploader has a 40/42 cubic decimetres cylinder, the 45cm wide toploaders have a 48/50 cu decimetres drum.<br
Using the standard loading ratio (every 10 cubic decimetres of volume can hold one kilogram of laundry) this mean 4.2 (4.5) kg and 4.8 (5.0) kg.<br
Please note we also use the word "litres" meaning "cubic decimetres". So a 47 litre cylindrer has nothing to do with water consumption, it is only its volum<br
The only real "large" capacity (60 litres/dm3, so 6 kg) euro TL is the V-Zug Unimatic T
arl2903, I' m afraid you' ll have to wait until the Staber patent will be expired<br
Even Whirlpool, Bosch/Siemens, Electrolux , Miele , Candy group and Merloni sell them in EU. Check their french/german sites ( The Brits prefer FL, so EU TL are rare on xyz.co.uk)<br
Anyway manufacturers lie about capacity. A 40 cm wide toploader has a 40/42 cubic decimetres cylinder, the 45cm wide toploaders have a 48/50 cu decimetres drum.<br
Using the standard loading ratio (every 10 cubic decimetres of volume can hold one kilogram of laundry) this mean 4.2 (4.5) kg and 4.8 (5.0) kg.<br
Please note we also use the word "litres" meaning "cubic decimetres". So a 47 litre cylindrer has nothing to do with water consumption, it is only its volum<br
The only real "large" capacity (60 litres/dm3, so 6 kg) euro TL is the V-Zug Unimatic T
miele euro toploaders
link to the french website pages
link to the french website pages
Love those EU toploaders!
I like to dimensions of the washers. Living in an old Victorian house you are limited to what fits down the stairs<br
Gu
I like to dimensions of the washers. Living in an old Victorian house you are limited to what fits down the stairs<br
Gu
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Reason washign machine is a Top Loading horizontal axis too<br
Look at this video showing it like a front-loading open machine in which a top loading orizontal drum washe<br
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And here you are the copariso<br
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Sorry for the O.T. ;<br
Diomede
Reason washign machine is a Top Loading horizontal axis too<br
Look at this video showing it like a front-loading open machine in which a top loading orizontal drum washe<br
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And here you are the copariso<br
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Sorry for the O.T. ;<br
Diomede
Top Loading H-Axis Washers
Have a very limited domestic market outside of the EU, and even there such things sell mostly in France (to fit in those small kitchens common in city apartments)<br
Problem is that despite the top loading, capacity is rather small when one compares such units to similar front loading washers, and probably even less than some top loaders with central beaters or impellers. Despite it's size, even Consumer Reports faulted Staber's washer for it's rather "small" capacity<br
To achieve any real increase in capacity for top or side loading H-axis washers, one would have to move up to the standard tried and true designs form ages ago, and still found in commercial laundries. However these units are a beast of another colour. Not only would they not fit in the standard front or even top loading washing machine cabinet space set aside in kitchen/laundry room design, physics comes into play<br
A washing machine that holds fifteen or more pounds of dry laundry, is going to be on average twice or three times that weight when said laundry is fully saturated with water. Once you turn a drum that huge forwards or even use the old long barrel design, that is not only a great deal of weight to be supported, but to be kept stable. It is no accident that early tumble washers of this design and even models sold commercially today had low extraction speeds, or didn't extract at all. Laundry was simply moved to a dedicated extractor for final spin dry<br
Have a very limited domestic market outside of the EU, and even there such things sell mostly in France (to fit in those small kitchens common in city apartments)<br
Problem is that despite the top loading, capacity is rather small when one compares such units to similar front loading washers, and probably even less than some top loaders with central beaters or impellers. Despite it's size, even Consumer Reports faulted Staber's washer for it's rather "small" capacity<br
To achieve any real increase in capacity for top or side loading H-axis washers, one would have to move up to the standard tried and true designs form ages ago, and still found in commercial laundries. However these units are a beast of another colour. Not only would they not fit in the standard front or even top loading washing machine cabinet space set aside in kitchen/laundry room design, physics comes into play<br
A washing machine that holds fifteen or more pounds of dry laundry, is going to be on average twice or three times that weight when said laundry is fully saturated with water. Once you turn a drum that huge forwards or even use the old long barrel design, that is not only a great deal of weight to be supported, but to be kept stable. It is no accident that early tumble washers of this design and even models sold commercially today had low extraction speeds, or didn't extract at all. Laundry was simply moved to a dedicated extractor for final spin dry<br
the weak point of EU TL
Launderess, just to have a clue : the Miele honeycomb TL drum in the pic I posted above is slightly bigger than your W1070 one (49 dm3 vs 47 dm3). Definately the V-ZUG drum is bigger (it's a square machine, like US TL - the drum has just the same size of the Little Giant W6065<br
Anyway there isn't any EU TL that can manage the same amount of laundry of a Due<br
You' re right about bearing issues in household EU TL. They usually have bearings on both sides of the drum, just like side loaders. Oddly this is the weak point of their design<br
In the past Miele toploaders were known as the "black sheeps" in their farm. Not a case now Miele has moved to a design with bearing just on one side of the drum, like frontloaders<br
Anyway they rarely reach the same spin speed as FL. 4 or 5 years ago AEG (E'luX) came out with a 1500 rpm TL. Now they've dropped down to 1300
Even Miele TOL TL don't spin over 1400 rpm, while 1600 is the average speed of MOL/TOL F<br
Launderess, just to have a clue : the Miele honeycomb TL drum in the pic I posted above is slightly bigger than your W1070 one (49 dm3 vs 47 dm3). Definately the V-ZUG drum is bigger (it's a square machine, like US TL - the drum has just the same size of the Little Giant W6065<br
Anyway there isn't any EU TL that can manage the same amount of laundry of a Due<br
You' re right about bearing issues in household EU TL. They usually have bearings on both sides of the drum, just like side loaders. Oddly this is the weak point of their design<br
In the past Miele toploaders were known as the "black sheeps" in their farm. Not a case now Miele has moved to a design with bearing just on one side of the drum, like frontloaders<br
Anyway they rarely reach the same spin speed as FL. 4 or 5 years ago AEG (E'luX) came out with a 1500 rpm TL. Now they've dropped down to 1300
Even Miele TOL TL don't spin over 1400 rpm, while 1600 is the average speed of MOL/TOL F<br
