This is a great video from The Appliance Guys.
I apologize if this has been posted before, but if you haven't seen it, it's worth the time.
I apologize if this has been posted before, but if you haven't seen it, it's worth the time.
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"Things aren't made like they were..."
But they don't cost like they did either. We can't really expect to have it both ways.
The parts pricing and availability fiasco is another matter. Thankfully with the Internet there's a large marketplace for used parts.
But they don't cost like they did either. We can't really expect to have it both ways.
The parts pricing and availability fiasco is another matter. Thankfully with the Internet there's a large marketplace for used parts.
There is one experienced member here who insists that electronic controls are more reliable than analog. I've always felt that was absolute B.S., and this clip supports my claim.
Anyone who doesn't think Samsung makes garbage must have just emerged from under a rock. What these guys have said about appliance manufacturers across the board, so to speak, is spot-on. Even Whirlpool can't be trusted.
I'd give Alliance points for their SQ FL washers, but not since they've put electronic controls on them.
There's a reason for this, of course. Electronic controls are cheaper to produce than analog. And we as consumers get what we pay for. It's a shame that we're not even allowed the analog option, since the controls are crucial to getting the proper performance (or any performance at all) from any machine.
And how long have they been producing frost free refrigerators with drains that don't easily clog? Almost 60 years? And now all of a sudden the drains have flaws? This is unabashed manipulation of the consumer market, and as always, it's a means to appease the shareholders. Would that more companies were privately owned, we'd see better products.
Anyone who doesn't think Samsung makes garbage must have just emerged from under a rock. What these guys have said about appliance manufacturers across the board, so to speak, is spot-on. Even Whirlpool can't be trusted.
I'd give Alliance points for their SQ FL washers, but not since they've put electronic controls on them.
There's a reason for this, of course. Electronic controls are cheaper to produce than analog. And we as consumers get what we pay for. It's a shame that we're not even allowed the analog option, since the controls are crucial to getting the proper performance (or any performance at all) from any machine.
And how long have they been producing frost free refrigerators with drains that don't easily clog? Almost 60 years? And now all of a sudden the drains have flaws? This is unabashed manipulation of the consumer market, and as always, it's a means to appease the shareholders. Would that more companies were privately owned, we'd see better products.
lordkenmore
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But they don't cost like they did either. We can't really expect to have it both ways.
Good point. I suppose one can't expect a cheap appliance to last until the day the world ends. (Unless the appliance is bought in the morning, and the world unexpectedly ends that evening LOL. Although some modern appliances might not even achieve this modest goal.)
Still, it would be nice to have a few years of good service. Not "maybe" 12 years with a regular $$$$ service bill every few years. I also don't like things that break 2 minutes after the one year warranty ends.
And I'd have to guess the same issues are a problem with many current TOL appliances. A TOL $$$ front loader's price may not go into durability--it goes into more features. Features which are just one more thing that can break.
Indeed, in a way, I wonder if one isn't often better off with lower end appliances. Less features to break. And when the appliance blows up, leaving nothing but a big plume of smoke to remember it by, one's lost investment is lower.
Good point. I suppose one can't expect a cheap appliance to last until the day the world ends. (Unless the appliance is bought in the morning, and the world unexpectedly ends that evening LOL. Although some modern appliances might not even achieve this modest goal.)
Still, it would be nice to have a few years of good service. Not "maybe" 12 years with a regular $$$$ service bill every few years. I also don't like things that break 2 minutes after the one year warranty ends.
And I'd have to guess the same issues are a problem with many current TOL appliances. A TOL $$$ front loader's price may not go into durability--it goes into more features. Features which are just one more thing that can break.
Indeed, in a way, I wonder if one isn't often better off with lower end appliances. Less features to break. And when the appliance blows up, leaving nothing but a big plume of smoke to remember it by, one's lost investment is lower.
This You Tube video is great. It’s just what I’ve learned through personal experience. I have been disappointed with every TOL appliance that I’ve ever owned, and as a result I now will only buy BOL appliances, even though we could afford just about any TOL appliance we wanted, within reason. The hassle of having an expensive and relatively new appliance conk out, and always at the most inconvenient time just got old after a while. Actually, this is how I found AW.org, because of a Whirlpool Cabrio that was problematic.
We have a BOL GE 30” electric stove, doesn’t even have a clock or a timer, no self cleaning oven, and I love it! It bakes evenly, the broiler is the best I’ve ever used, the instructions say to keep the oven door closed during broiling so there is never any smoke or odor from broiling and no electronics to foul up. If a switch ever goes out, I can easily replace it myself, though this has never happened. And cleaning the oven only takes about 30 mins of concentrated effort about once every 6-8 months, and I use the oven and/or the broiler everyday. I just give it a quick wipe out every few days to keep things from baking on between cleanings.
The fridge is a 15 cu ft. BOL GE top freezer, no ice maker and we have no need for one either. It has wire shelves so no glass to break and I think the wire shelves facilitate faster cooling of leftovers, though I know many members would dispute this and hate wire shelves. They work just fine for us. When we first got the fridge I ordered an extra shelf, so we have as much storage space as the 18 cu ft. fridge that it replaced. And it has plenty of room for food storage. If we have family for holiday dinners I just make up about 4-6 trays of ice and we’re good to go, and use an ice chest for the extra beverages that you need for a crowd. It holds a constant 36 degrees in the refrigerator and -10 degrees in the freezer. No water leaking on the floor or in the crispers. And its only 29.5” deep, without handles, so its almost counter depth. Looks nice in our 1980 townhouse kitchen.
All those bells and whistles are just gimmicks, and one more thing to break. I guess is you live in a home with a tricked out new or remodeled kitchen you may want all these extra frills, but its not for me. I’ll take simple every time
Eddie[this post was last edited: 9/12/2018-18:34]
We have a BOL GE 30” electric stove, doesn’t even have a clock or a timer, no self cleaning oven, and I love it! It bakes evenly, the broiler is the best I’ve ever used, the instructions say to keep the oven door closed during broiling so there is never any smoke or odor from broiling and no electronics to foul up. If a switch ever goes out, I can easily replace it myself, though this has never happened. And cleaning the oven only takes about 30 mins of concentrated effort about once every 6-8 months, and I use the oven and/or the broiler everyday. I just give it a quick wipe out every few days to keep things from baking on between cleanings.
The fridge is a 15 cu ft. BOL GE top freezer, no ice maker and we have no need for one either. It has wire shelves so no glass to break and I think the wire shelves facilitate faster cooling of leftovers, though I know many members would dispute this and hate wire shelves. They work just fine for us. When we first got the fridge I ordered an extra shelf, so we have as much storage space as the 18 cu ft. fridge that it replaced. And it has plenty of room for food storage. If we have family for holiday dinners I just make up about 4-6 trays of ice and we’re good to go, and use an ice chest for the extra beverages that you need for a crowd. It holds a constant 36 degrees in the refrigerator and -10 degrees in the freezer. No water leaking on the floor or in the crispers. And its only 29.5” deep, without handles, so its almost counter depth. Looks nice in our 1980 townhouse kitchen.
All those bells and whistles are just gimmicks, and one more thing to break. I guess is you live in a home with a tricked out new or remodeled kitchen you may want all these extra frills, but its not for me. I’ll take simple every time
Eddie[this post was last edited: 9/12/2018-18:34]
mark_wpduet
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The thing
I've never understood is the logic in the government when they are happy to pass laws requiring water and energy efficiency in appliances, but their purpose is totally defeated with the planned obsolescence (in fact maybe even more defeated). All of the buy new, throw away in 5 years is probably harder on the environment than appliances that are not so energy efficient but don't get thrown away every few years. I don't understand why the environmentalists don't consider this?
I've never understood is the logic in the government when they are happy to pass laws requiring water and energy efficiency in appliances, but their purpose is totally defeated with the planned obsolescence (in fact maybe even more defeated). All of the buy new, throw away in 5 years is probably harder on the environment than appliances that are not so energy efficient but don't get thrown away every few years. I don't understand why the environmentalists don't consider this?
Socialism is all around us...
Energy standards are a joint agreement between the appliance manufacturers and government, subsidised with per unit tax incentives to spur research and development. Local utility providers, also heavily subsidised, offer rebates and discount programs directly to consumers. The water that goes into the appliances is also subsidised by the government through local water utilities, especially the smaller water systems in small towns and cities.
Remember the washing machine tariffs targeted at LG and Samsung? Those were literal giveaways to huge political donors in Michigan, coming right out of the pockets of consumers rather than tax revenues. Watch the earnings reports.
To keep the tax incentives coming and the prices low enough, "planned obsolescence" may or may not be front of mind for makers, but does certainly factor into the spreadsheet for future growth and earnings in the replacement market. If consumers demand it, and more importantly, pay for it, there will be quality and longevity in appliance offerings.
Energy standards are a joint agreement between the appliance manufacturers and government, subsidised with per unit tax incentives to spur research and development. Local utility providers, also heavily subsidised, offer rebates and discount programs directly to consumers. The water that goes into the appliances is also subsidised by the government through local water utilities, especially the smaller water systems in small towns and cities.
Remember the washing machine tariffs targeted at LG and Samsung? Those were literal giveaways to huge political donors in Michigan, coming right out of the pockets of consumers rather than tax revenues. Watch the earnings reports.
To keep the tax incentives coming and the prices low enough, "planned obsolescence" may or may not be front of mind for makers, but does certainly factor into the spreadsheet for future growth and earnings in the replacement market. If consumers demand it, and more importantly, pay for it, there will be quality and longevity in appliance offerings.
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But they don't cost like they did either.
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That is true. Down my basement is the massive Frigidaire range my folks bought in '58. Custom Imperial with every option on it. They paid if I recall about $600 for it back then, that translates to $5,234.87 today. Would you pay that for a range? It's built like a tank and most everything is working, still use the rotisserie all winter.
But they don't cost like they did either.
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That is true. Down my basement is the massive Frigidaire range my folks bought in '58. Custom Imperial with every option on it. They paid if I recall about $600 for it back then, that translates to $5,234.87 today. Would you pay that for a range? It's built like a tank and most everything is working, still use the rotisserie all winter.
firedome
Well-known member
just one more reason...
to stick with vintage, not that we needed any!
When forced to buy new fridges, we did get the BOL FD for both houses, and no problems so far after 5 yrs, simplicity is a plus in engineering!
to stick with vintage, not that we needed any!
When forced to buy new fridges, we did get the BOL FD for both houses, and no problems so far after 5 yrs, simplicity is a plus in engineering!
firedome
Well-known member
correction...
we got BOL Whirlpools, not Frigidaires.
we got BOL Whirlpools, not Frigidaires.
