FCC sets rules for copper phaseout

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When I got my first telephone in 1971 it was with Pacific Bell. I latter worked for PT&T for 3 yrs in the mid 70's. I remained a loyal customer of the Bell System for 43 yrs. But the last 5 years the service was terrible. We had DSL and we went thru 4 modems in 10 years. We were supposed to be getting 3 mbps, but never got over 2.58. The email was the worst and the increase in price was never ending. They tried to entice me into going with Uverse about 3 years ago, told me the install would be free, so I reluctantly agreed. Then 2 days latter I received a statment from AT&T that we were being charged $318.00 for the "free" install of Uverse. I spent over 5 hrs. on the phone cancelling this order. Last June I had finally had enough and made the switch to Comcast for the phone and internet, we already had them for TV. I did the install myself, using the Arris 722G modem they provided. It has a battery backup and when the power went out a few mo. ago we still had phone service. We already had and Apple Airport Extreme for our wi-fi router and it works flawlessly with the Arris 722. I backfed the phone into the household jacks, so we can still use all of our jacks. I have sent faxes and had no problems doing so. Even though the initial triple play bundle charge has gone up after 1 yr. special promotion, its still less than we were paying for phone and DSL with AT&T plus TV with Comcast, and the service is WORLDS better!!. I consistantly get 58 mbps on the internet, even though its only supposed to be 50. The phone service is excellent, unless I'm speaking with someone that has Uverse, then they cut in and out, but thats due to AT&T's f'd up system. I will never go back to AT&T, I would use 2 orange juice cans and a string first!
 
When my mother opened her business in 2003 they originally got four phone lines and a little later added DSL to that. In the Bridgeport neighborhood in Chicago the copper network everywhere was (and still is) a disaster. One of the lines was always going down and it took two years of constant service calls just to get the DSL to not re-sync all the time.
Usually they would go down because the lazy techs working on the neighbors buildings in the alley wouldn't check to make sure the pair they were touching wasn't already live and would just steal it for one of the neighbors...or just disconnect it. Sometimes 2 lines would go down at once.
It was a constant battle. Sometime around 2008-9 those issues stopped happening and it was pretty stable until i finally decided to have the internet and lines switched over to Comcast.

Later on I figured out the reason the lines stopped failing all the time was because all the other residences and businesses dumped AT&T and went to Comcast! So those lazy bum techs don't come out nearly as much. We later got an AT&T line for supplement to the VoIP (ended up going away from Comcast and doing standalone VoIP) and the line has been trouble free for almost 2 years now.
When the tech was installing it he found just 6 lines that were still active with service, when back in 2003 there would've been closer to 25 active lines out of the terminal that our drop to the building comes out of (the building alone had six POTS lines total in 2003). I do remember seeing linemen come down the alley working on something or another almost every day back then.
 
To Be Clear

Federal government only laid down rules for *if* a telephone company wishes to remove copper, not making any sort of mandate.

Verizon has tried in several locations in the Northeast (notably Fire Island post Super Storm Sandy) to replace copper and got serious push back.

During the last major NYC wide blackout we were one of the few households in our building with telephone service (land line). Cell phone service is only good if the device is charged, something after several hours without electricity becomes difficult.
 
Well, IMHO, anyone with a computer without a built-in battery needs a UPS/Battery backup. I have a small one backing up the computer, cable modem/router, and Ooma phone gadget. So there is that. I have a much bigger one sitting nearby, still in the unopened box... can you tell I can't really be bothered? HAHA.

 

Also have a very small 900 watt generator (2-stroke) for if the power goes out for more than a day or so... It would only be enough to run some lights and maybe the computer. Fortunately have gas range and BBQ grill so wouldn't starve.

 

I have thought of getting a larger generator (Harbor Freight has a 4000 watt one for $300 now) but ... to tell the truth, I don't see the need. The thing will only run 10 hours at half load, so at that point where does one get the gas to run it in case of major disaster (around here, that would be earthquake)? I figure there would also be a run on gas stations and in the case of a real disaster those too would probably run out. Oh well. There's always two dixie cups and a string.

 

 
 
Phil, no need to apologize for hijacking the thread. I always learn a lot from the digressions here!

Launderess is right that the FCC's actions don't mandate a phaseout but it sounds like the telcos are chomping at the bit to do it, and nobody in government is going to make them maintain the old system, so that's the end of that.
 
I've been told here in the next 5 years

all cables to the house will be cut and removed. We are moving to WIFI service direct from the pole in the street to the house. I just hope they pick channels that don't interfere with anything else.

 

When cordless started I had a devil of time with phones cutting out in the middle of a conversation.

 

And what are all those wifi waves slamming back and forth going to do my hairstyles I ask??

 

 
 
@jetcone

So they're not even bothering with Cable, ADSL/VDSL, Fibre or even Satellite?

 

I can't possibly imagine large amounts of people trying to play games, stream or illegally obtain music, videos or software could possibly go down well on public wi-fi - not even if its the latest and greatest 802.11N - afterall, you take 300mbps (theoretical max), and divide it between 30 people - and you've got 10mbps, per person.

Appreciable speed, yes - but not necessarily workable with large files. May not work at all, if that "theoretical" speed isn't full even underneath it.
 
Next 5 years??

Jon, is there really a plan in place to remove cable television feeds? WiFi as we know it know currently just isn't all fast really. And we have the idea of distribution of the new 4K television content which will require immense data rates. They best have something new up their sleeves...

Here in Minneapolis there is a city wide paid WiFi network provided by US Internet, which in general works quite fine. I have several friends that use it exclusively. I'm not sure how it would hold up to the idea of everyone getting their television through it though!

Personally I have yet to have a WiFi signal cause interference to anything else. But I have had problems with microwave ovens and 2.4Ghz cordless phones messing with the WiFi network if they are too close to an access point or device.
 
So much for the "Wichita Lineman"...

There has, from what I've been hearing, a recent, growing trend to bury a lot of communication cables and power lines...

 

Falls from poles, the interference with wires and tree branches (and cuts from disasters and storms), not to mention the need to "Look Up!" when you are moving tall objects under over-head lines, have necessitated the need to look to buried wires and underground cables in most suburban neighborhoods running off of poles where the upper area is more clear to run utility lines without any kind of obstruction...

 

Other than an occasional, accidental collision from a motor vehicle into a pole, or perhaps an incidental lightning bolt...

 

 

 

-- Dave
 
4K TV

I don't know who thinks THAT is going to work on ANY internet connection in the forseeable future... LOL. 

 

Broadcasting it will only result in what we see now; hugely compressed SD signals to fit in what would supposedly be a "4K Signal," which is really just too compressed anyway, just as we see with HD and SD TV at present.

Broadcast TV just does not have the bandwidth for umpteen channels at huge quality. 
 
4K works today over the Internet. At the current moment its the only way to get content!

It doesn't stream real time granted, but if you can schedule the download you can have a movie in a reasonable time with a decent connection.

We are still lacking available 4K content, and scads of people still can't see the difference with 1920x1080 though. Back 6-9 months ago I scoffed at the idea of 4K, but if I were buying a TV today, I wouldn't consider a non-4K model. I think this will become a thing.

Course more then a TV I REALLY want a 4K computer monitor, then perhaps I could see all of an image out of my digital camera!
 
URD Underground power feeds--drive or walk the area where you live-the underground feed goes to a pole riser somewhere.It is not possible to bury them all.And above medium voltage distribution-just becomes too expensive.It can be done--but VERY costly.SF6 transmission lines are often required-and there is still the utility company owenrship of the property ABOVE those lines.This is so they can have ready access to them.And these SF6 gas filled lines require special substation equipment.And also the utility owns those properties above the underground lines in those cases in order to prevent "backhoe" fade-imagine the startled-and possibly DEAD backhoe operator if he hits a 33/69Kv SF6 uderground line!!!!
 
Did someone mention SF6???

At risk of completely hijacking the thread, Though part of this IS communication based......
I had completely forgotten about SF6 (Sulphur HexaFluoride for any non-techies) (note the U.K. spelling ;-) )until Tolivac mentioned it. Way back in the '70s/'80s/'90s the U.K. had (as well as the microwave 'Post Office Towers') a 'spine' system involving an 18-tube co-axial cable, insulated with SF6, running 9 tubes in each direction at '60MHz'. All very expensive to maintain, and rendered 'obsolete' by satellite technology.

There is also (local to me) a 132kV underground power distribution line, which runs for 2-3 miles, installed at great expense because the local provider couldn't get 'planning permission' for overhead pylons. Sadly, I have no idea whether it's 1-phase, 3-phase, or even DC, I have never been able to find out any details... :-(

Hope this is of some interest to some of our members!!

All best

Dave T
 

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