arbilab
Well-known member
No, not chocolate Necco wafers. That was July.
The price is down to 'rational' from 'ridiculous' a couple years ago.
Hint, I drive an 86 Toyota. All the important stuff still works except one. You might want some too if you have a vintage car.
It's freon. REAL R-12 dichlorodifluoromethane. Ebay is crawling with it. Not all sellers have responded to the 'new market' or the fact that the AC season is over for most of the country. $25 a can, free shipping. If you need some and can't find that price, wait a month and check back.
Researched 3 days. Opted out of the propane/butane compatible substitute. As a blend, it has what's known as 'glide'. That is, the component gases have different evaporation and condensation points. The charge is VERY critical. You 'can' add it to whatever freon you have left but then you have THREE gases with different vapor pressures.
You 'can' pay over $1000 to convert to 134A, but you won't like it. It's even incompatible with certain system components; those have to be replaced. You can also remove all the remaining freon and replace with 12A, the blend above. But seems all servicers have tossed their freon capture machines, not enough volume to keep them in business. Not really responsible to just vent it to atmosphere. More on that.....
This refrigerant war was of of course brought to you by lobbyists. Climate change schmimate schmange. Fluorine is a gawdawful greenhouse gas, zamatterafack thousands of times worse by volume than carbon dioxide. But the bulk users of fluorine and chlorine are still emitting it and the volume greatly overshadows all the Cl and Fl in cars even if it ALL leaked out at once.
Why then? Well, the patent long-since expired on freon. DuPont et al needed something with which to hijack the whole country so they lobbied the invented crisis upon us. They're fixing to do it again, with 134A. <span class="st">1,1,1,2-tetra<span style="text-decoration: underline;">fluoro</span>ethane</span> is just as greenhousy as freon so it's doomed as soon as the lobbyists get around to it.
Blahblahblah. Here's a rather karmic anecdote about the guy who invented freon. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Didn't explode, didn't outright poison you like the stuff it replaced. Though it does make nerve gas when exposed to flame.
Same guy invented tetraethyl lead gasoline additive. Made himself good and sick demonstrating how "harmless" it was by soaking his hands in it. Great idea, bathing the entire population in aerosol lead for 50yrs. Wonder how America got so stupid all of a sudden?
He's gone now. Contracted polio in 1947. Invented a machine to lift him in and out of bed. Got tangled in it one day and it strangled him. Drat consequences.
The price is down to 'rational' from 'ridiculous' a couple years ago.
Hint, I drive an 86 Toyota. All the important stuff still works except one. You might want some too if you have a vintage car.
It's freon. REAL R-12 dichlorodifluoromethane. Ebay is crawling with it. Not all sellers have responded to the 'new market' or the fact that the AC season is over for most of the country. $25 a can, free shipping. If you need some and can't find that price, wait a month and check back.
Researched 3 days. Opted out of the propane/butane compatible substitute. As a blend, it has what's known as 'glide'. That is, the component gases have different evaporation and condensation points. The charge is VERY critical. You 'can' add it to whatever freon you have left but then you have THREE gases with different vapor pressures.
You 'can' pay over $1000 to convert to 134A, but you won't like it. It's even incompatible with certain system components; those have to be replaced. You can also remove all the remaining freon and replace with 12A, the blend above. But seems all servicers have tossed their freon capture machines, not enough volume to keep them in business. Not really responsible to just vent it to atmosphere. More on that.....
This refrigerant war was of of course brought to you by lobbyists. Climate change schmimate schmange. Fluorine is a gawdawful greenhouse gas, zamatterafack thousands of times worse by volume than carbon dioxide. But the bulk users of fluorine and chlorine are still emitting it and the volume greatly overshadows all the Cl and Fl in cars even if it ALL leaked out at once.
Why then? Well, the patent long-since expired on freon. DuPont et al needed something with which to hijack the whole country so they lobbied the invented crisis upon us. They're fixing to do it again, with 134A. <span class="st">1,1,1,2-tetra<span style="text-decoration: underline;">fluoro</span>ethane</span> is just as greenhousy as freon so it's doomed as soon as the lobbyists get around to it.
Blahblahblah. Here's a rather karmic anecdote about the guy who invented freon. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Didn't explode, didn't outright poison you like the stuff it replaced. Though it does make nerve gas when exposed to flame.
Same guy invented tetraethyl lead gasoline additive. Made himself good and sick demonstrating how "harmless" it was by soaking his hands in it. Great idea, bathing the entire population in aerosol lead for 50yrs. Wonder how America got so stupid all of a sudden?
He's gone now. Contracted polio in 1947. Invented a machine to lift him in and out of bed. Got tangled in it one day and it strangled him. Drat consequences.
