FINALLY ! The new Whirlpool Washer Dryer Combo has been released
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Very interesting machine. Whirlpool's own website doesn't seem to have the manual available but Home Depot does.
Note the instructions on page 17 about cleaning the drain pump filter every six months. It's hard to imagine the typical consumer doing this as directed.
Note the instructions on page 17 about cleaning the drain pump filter every six months. It's hard to imagine the typical consumer doing this as directed.
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So, is it heatpump now or not?
It needs a seperate 30A circuit... So is it 120V or 240V.
2.8cuft gives you 1.4cuft wash and dry capacity. That's about 36l. So about an 8lbs load realisticly for low crease drying, maybe 10lbs for stuff like towels.
That's something like 5 pairs of jeans max, or about 20 T-Shirts with some underwear and socks or something like 2 large and 2 smaller towels, or 2-3 bathrobes.
Looking forward to the cycle times.
I still belive that one could do something like the ÖkoKombi by AEG over here on a 120V connection: Heatpump washer-dryer that processes 3kg (6.6lbs) in 3h.
Not a huge load by any means, but perfectly suitable for a 2 person household dwelling in a tiny New York designer apartment.
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It's 240V and apparently a standard water cooled condensing system.
It needs a seperate 30A circuit... So is it 120V or 240V.
2.8cuft gives you 1.4cuft wash and dry capacity. That's about 36l. So about an 8lbs load realisticly for low crease drying, maybe 10lbs for stuff like towels.
That's something like 5 pairs of jeans max, or about 20 T-Shirts with some underwear and socks or something like 2 large and 2 smaller towels, or 2-3 bathrobes.
Looking forward to the cycle times.
I still belive that one could do something like the ÖkoKombi by AEG over here on a 120V connection: Heatpump washer-dryer that processes 3kg (6.6lbs) in 3h.
Not a huge load by any means, but perfectly suitable for a 2 person household dwelling in a tiny New York designer apartment.
Edit:
It's 240V and apparently a standard water cooled condensing system.
WP Compact 24" Combo
Unfortunately the drum is too small for serious machine, It will only W&D a maximum 6 pound load and that will be very wrinkled, better get out the steam iron.
It will also do just 2 or 3 pairs of jeans and they will need ironing.
At a total cycle time of 3 hours and 40 minutes for 6 lbs of clothing they certainly are using the 30 amp 240 volt connection to any great advantage, this thing couldn't have much more than a 3000 watt heater, if that.
As a washer only this machine could easily wash 8-12 pounds of laundry.
To build a decent Combo the drum needs to be at least 4-5 CF and even then the machine will only do 8-10 pounds of laundry.
John L.
Unfortunately the drum is too small for serious machine, It will only W&D a maximum 6 pound load and that will be very wrinkled, better get out the steam iron.
It will also do just 2 or 3 pairs of jeans and they will need ironing.
At a total cycle time of 3 hours and 40 minutes for 6 lbs of clothing they certainly are using the 30 amp 240 volt connection to any great advantage, this thing couldn't have much more than a 3000 watt heater, if that.
As a washer only this machine could easily wash 8-12 pounds of laundry.
To build a decent Combo the drum needs to be at least 4-5 CF and even then the machine will only do 8-10 pounds of laundry.
John L.
Cold fill and it has a heater.
Thank you for the news!
I figured years ago that if anyone was going to offer a premium European combo it would be Miele, but its performance was like the rest of the 24 inch wide machines with long drying times. I think that you need a certain number of components and getting them in too small a unit is difficult. There is a difference in drying times between the Philco models with a blower and Philcos that just condensed steam by letting the rotation of the drum provide the air movement that moves the hot, moisture-laden air against the lower temperature condenser plate that had cold water hitting it like the Speed Queen, the GE, etc. and it is greater (takes longer) for the passive air movement than the fan forced air movement. The blower has to move a significant amount of air so it takes up space unless it is done like Norge did their blower which took up less space since it did not need a separate housing. I imagine that the reviews of this machine on laundry sites will be similar to earlier mini combos.
I figured years ago that if anyone was going to offer a premium European combo it would be Miele, but its performance was like the rest of the 24 inch wide machines with long drying times. I think that you need a certain number of components and getting them in too small a unit is difficult. There is a difference in drying times between the Philco models with a blower and Philcos that just condensed steam by letting the rotation of the drum provide the air movement that moves the hot, moisture-laden air against the lower temperature condenser plate that had cold water hitting it like the Speed Queen, the GE, etc. and it is greater (takes longer) for the passive air movement than the fan forced air movement. The blower has to move a significant amount of air so it takes up space unless it is done like Norge did their blower which took up less space since it did not need a separate housing. I imagine that the reviews of this machine on laundry sites will be similar to earlier mini combos.
Compact but needs to be installed so the top is open to access the dispenser lid.
The access door for the pump clean-out is handy, guess it needs to be cleaned regularly for drying lint build-up?
The access door for the pump clean-out is handy, guess it needs to be cleaned regularly for drying lint build-up?
3 hrs and 40 minutes to wash and dry 6 pounds of clothes? Yikes....way too long for me.
Gary
Gary
I had a Fagor 14lb wash/7lb dry combo unit back when they were selling them in the states, and four hours is about right for a full cycle. It was a fun toy, but not one I would have bothered with if I didn't need it for space reasons (and in fact, when I moved to a place with an actual laundry room, I sold the Fagor and got an SQ front load set.)
The truth is an all in one means a lifestyle change, so things like capacity and actually dry (and unwrinkled) clothes are never going to satisfy someone who has the space and ventilation for proper separates. It was pretty nice to be able to wake up to clean, warm work clothes in the dead of winter though..
But I have to say more than anything I'm completely mystified why Whirlpool would have a top mounted chemical hopper for an undercounter machine!
The truth is an all in one means a lifestyle change, so things like capacity and actually dry (and unwrinkled) clothes are never going to satisfy someone who has the space and ventilation for proper separates. It was pretty nice to be able to wake up to clean, warm work clothes in the dead of winter though..
But I have to say more than anything I'm completely mystified why Whirlpool would have a top mounted chemical hopper for an undercounter machine!
Pretty sure that thing is far to deep for a counter.
This really is aimed at remodeling space limited apartments.
You need a 240V outlet in a small cabinet somewhere along a corridor or landing or such or next to the kitchen.
This thing really just missed all of its potential markets.
It's 240V, so that knocks out most usecases.
The detergent reservoir on top means that most anywhere where this is practical, you could just stack compact units.
LG's 120V washer dryer compact heatpump combo is more expensive, yeah.
LG's 120V full size combo is only 2-3" bigger in each direction.
It sits in this weired in between incredible niche market, even more than a combo on its own.
Edit:
For whatever reason, it's service manual is currently linked on the Whirlpool product site:
This really is aimed at remodeling space limited apartments.
You need a 240V outlet in a small cabinet somewhere along a corridor or landing or such or next to the kitchen.
This thing really just missed all of its potential markets.
It's 240V, so that knocks out most usecases.
The detergent reservoir on top means that most anywhere where this is practical, you could just stack compact units.
LG's 120V washer dryer compact heatpump combo is more expensive, yeah.
LG's 120V full size combo is only 2-3" bigger in each direction.
It sits in this weired in between incredible niche market, even more than a combo on its own.
Edit:
For whatever reason, it's service manual is currently linked on the Whirlpool product site:
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Well, it appears to have a recirculation pump.
Recirculation pumps
I forgot if it was mid- to late 70's or early 80's, euro machines had recirculation pumps (I remember AEG's JetSystem, for example).
And that's to say nothing about WP's own combo which also had a recirculation pump at least 20 years before.
I forgot if it was mid- to late 70's or early 80's, euro machines had recirculation pumps (I remember AEG's JetSystem, for example).
And that's to say nothing about WP's own combo which also had a recirculation pump at least 20 years before.
My in-laws...
Due to advanced age, they are seriously considering putting a new washer and dryer in the mud-room upstairs rather than go up and down to the basement to do laundry.
They currently have a 20++ year old MT pair downstairs in good repair. I suggested keeping them as spares.
Their local dealer (rural Indiana) sells MT and GE. I wonder if this combo is a better solution. Their needs are rather modest and their range of motion is getting limited.
Due to advanced age, they are seriously considering putting a new washer and dryer in the mud-room upstairs rather than go up and down to the basement to do laundry.
They currently have a 20++ year old MT pair downstairs in good repair. I suggested keeping them as spares.
Their local dealer (rural Indiana) sells MT and GE. I wonder if this combo is a better solution. Their needs are rather modest and their range of motion is getting limited.
Old design WP-made combos were like Citroens in that so much depended on the hydraulics.
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