Finish goes Phosphate-Free

[launderess]

Cascade Gel with "Hydroclean" Bleach Action

Is top of the pops at my house!

Really cleans that well, and small amounts go along way.

Don't like tablets because one cannot purchase and stash when a good deal comes along. Tried it before with Electrasol tabls and the things turned into hockey pucks. Yes, they were still wrapped in their little bags, but still.

While at the shops yesterday, saw Finish has come up with yet another way for consumers to part with their money.

Pipe:

L.

 

[whirlcool]

I saw that today too at WalMart. It is a rack clip on device that is susposed to be good for 12 loads of dishes. And the price was even more expensive as purchasing 12 Powerball tabs.
I didn't know it was a gel. I wouldn't use it.

While looking at some DW detergent chemical makeup, I noticed some boxes didn't carry any information about what chemicals are used in making them. I thought you had to have that information by law? This was most predominent in Finish products.

 

[dj-gabriele]

Really? No informations on the package? In Europe is mandatory to write the ingredients plus producers must indicate if there are any known allergens like limonene or geraniol in the formula.

 

[mynameismiele]

We use Calgonit.

It has fosfates, but when it changes to Finish, they will dissapear, Gotta buy some STPP.

 

[gansky1]

Phosphorus and STPP

Question for the 'suds-perts' then; what is the difference between phosphorus added at the factory and STPP. From the discussion above, they seem to much be different in concentration. Perhaps I don't have enough in my home-brew of detergent, especially for those I give it to with non-softened water.

 

[sudsmaster]

It's the moles, man...

It's a matter of basic chemistry.

Phosphates are molecular compounds. They include the atomic elements phosphorus, sodium, oxygen and perhaps some hydrogen. Each molecule of phosphate weighs about four times what a phosphorus atom weighs.

Thus 8% of phosphorus ATOMS is equivalent to about 33% of phosphate MOLECULES.

 

[rolls_rapide]

I've just noticed something!

Spoodles' post had the photo of Finish 'Quantum' ingredients:

notice that it contains 3 enzymes - protease, amylase and cellulase.

What function does cellulase perform in a dishwasher???

 

[danemodsandy]

Cellulase Guess...

...May have something to do with protecting metals and finishes.

 

[rolls_rapide]

I don't think so - remember that it is used in laundry detergents to combat 'bobbling' of cotton garments.

Maybe its purpose is to clean wooden utensils?

Or maybe to assist in the breakdown of plant-based food soils?

 

[polkanut]

I just called my local chemical supply house, Wausau Chemical, and STPP is available in 50lb. lots for $74.88 IIRC. May just go, and get me some.

http://www.wausauchemical.com

 

[earthling177]

Silicates are there to protect the dishwasher, usually, although it may also do more than just that, like raise the pH of the solution.

Cellulase breaks down cellulose, which is part of lots of things in food, like fiber, for example.

 

[mayguy]

I just got a box of Finish the other day, and still has phosphate listed....

I've tried another brand that did not have phosphate, and it did NOT clean the dishes.