behzad
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Hello everyone
what is your idea about finish Q tabs?does it really different from powder detergent?
what is your idea about finish Q tabs?does it really different from powder detergent?
FINISH QUANTUM DETERGENT
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redcarpetdrew
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Hi Behzad.
First, I wish to echo other people here by saying welcome and it is awesome that appliances cross all borders and ideologies! Just awesome!
I use these with my Maytag stainless tub dishwasher. Here where I live, the water tends to leave white residue and the Finish Quantum tablets always give me great results while helping control the calcium buildup. Hopefully, these will help control that pesky cleaning issue you've been chasing there.
RCD
First, I wish to echo other people here by saying welcome and it is awesome that appliances cross all borders and ideologies! Just awesome!
I use these with my Maytag stainless tub dishwasher. Here where I live, the water tends to leave white residue and the Finish Quantum tablets always give me great results while helping control the calcium buildup. Hopefully, these will help control that pesky cleaning issue you've been chasing there.
RCD
rolls_rapide
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Yes, there is a difference
Finish Quantum is different to Finish Powder in the following ways:
Quantum has an extra bleach accelerator (Manganese II Oxalate, or similar) for removing tea stains more efficiently. Finish Powder does not.
Quantum also has extra water softening abilities. Powder does not, you have to use salt in the water softener unit.
Quantum has a rinse aid included. Powder does not, hence the of a liquid rinse aid in the automatic dispenser.
Some older dishwashers with "Automatic sensor" cycles didn't like multifunction tablets, sometimes leaving the dishes quite wet at the end of the cycle. These machines work best with "Classic" type detergents, and the use of salt and separate rinse aid.
Finish Quantum is different to Finish Powder in the following ways:
Quantum has an extra bleach accelerator (Manganese II Oxalate, or similar) for removing tea stains more efficiently. Finish Powder does not.
Quantum also has extra water softening abilities. Powder does not, you have to use salt in the water softener unit.
Quantum has a rinse aid included. Powder does not, hence the of a liquid rinse aid in the automatic dispenser.
Some older dishwashers with "Automatic sensor" cycles didn't like multifunction tablets, sometimes leaving the dishes quite wet at the end of the cycle. These machines work best with "Classic" type detergents, and the use of salt and separate rinse aid.
behzad
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HELLO MAYTAG
Hey Andrew;
It's would be me pleasure to have connection with you,
we rarely use Maytag or K-aid,usually Bosch,Siemens,Miele are ways which we doing our dishes,a few GEs and of course some worst ones like LG or Samsung!all of those dishwashers has internal water softener(expect American ones)
but I wanna ask you a question :why don't common American dishwashers have internal water softener,while Europe ones have?users don't have any problem with water hardness,do they?
Hey Andrew;
It's would be me pleasure to have connection with you,
we rarely use Maytag or K-aid,usually Bosch,Siemens,Miele are ways which we doing our dishes,a few GEs and of course some worst ones like LG or Samsung!all of those dishwashers has internal water softener(expect American ones)
but I wanna ask you a question :why don't common American dishwashers have internal water softener,while Europe ones have?users don't have any problem with water hardness,do they?
mark_wpduet
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The only difference
I have noticed between Finish Quantum and Finish Powerball is that the Quantum tends to foam more even with very hard water. Not sure why. Others have said the same thing. But the results are the same for me with either one, so I just use powerball. Both are very good.
Incidentally, has anyone tried Cascade with Clorox? I didn't even know there was a version of Cascade with Clorox. I emailed asking if I could get a sample and they said No!
I have noticed between Finish Quantum and Finish Powerball is that the Quantum tends to foam more even with very hard water. Not sure why. Others have said the same thing. But the results are the same for me with either one, so I just use powerball. Both are very good.
Incidentally, has anyone tried Cascade with Clorox? I didn't even know there was a version of Cascade with Clorox. I emailed asking if I could get a sample and they said No!
whirlcool
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I think the reason American dishwasher makers don't put water softeners in our dishwashers is because of cost. The U.S. has areas where the water is hard and other areas where the water is soft. They want to make as much money as possible on each unit while keeping the pricing down. Here you will only find water softeners in the most expensive dishwashers. A lot of Americans wouldn't spend the money for one.
Here is a map. The bluest sections indicate the areas of the softest water, the red the areas of hard water.
Here is a map. The bluest sections indicate the areas of the softest water, the red the areas of hard water.
behzad
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Thank you for the map
It was helpful, also you living in Houston - TX and how you deal with water hardness?
It was helpful, also you living in Houston - TX and how you deal with water hardness?
behzad
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FINISH POWER BALL
It's good,but I prefer to use powder detergent cause you can adjust the amount of usage in each cycle.
By the way I still using power balls now . I gonna change it
It's good,but I prefer to use powder detergent cause you can adjust the amount of usage in each cycle.
By the way I still using power balls now . I gonna change it
mark_wpduet
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It's funny how
water hardness maps all look different.....
I know in western NC our water was always very soft, yet this map almost makes it look like it's hard water.....and in Lexington, the water ia pretty hard, but on some maps I've seen it's displayed as moderately hard and sometimes even soft.
water hardness maps all look different.....
I know in western NC our water was always very soft, yet this map almost makes it look like it's hard water.....and in Lexington, the water ia pretty hard, but on some maps I've seen it's displayed as moderately hard and sometimes even soft.
Behzad: Many of us who live in areas with very hard water have a mechanical water softener. This softens the water for the entire house. [this post was last edited: 7/6/2014-10:04]
polkanut
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<span style="font-family: 'times new roman', times; font-size: 12pt;">To deal with water hardness some of us add Sodium Tripolyphosphate which is a powdered water softening agent. Some of us mix up the STPP and detergent, and others like myself add a measured amount of STPP into the detergent dispenser and then detergent. I don't pre-mix my detergent and STPP.</span>
en.wikipedia.org
Sodium triphosphate - Wikipedia
behzad
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to Mark :
Yes it's funny, but always pay attention to source of the map. because it may authorized in different conditions or ages.
And also to find the correct localized data,you will need check the maps scale
In general maps you won't find the correct data for special place,just generally shows you the facts!
Yours sincere
Behzad
Yes it's funny, but always pay attention to source of the map. because it may authorized in different conditions or ages.
And also to find the correct localized data,you will need check the maps scale
In general maps you won't find the correct data for special place,just generally shows you the facts!
Yours sincere
Behzad
behzad
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to Eugene :
Right, water softener of dishwasher runs exactly like this,except dishwashers flashing the filter after each cycle with pre-measured amount of saline water which you indirectly set by select the water hardness level in system.
We called that system "Ion Exchanger" in high school's chemistry course!
Yours sincere
Behzad
Right, water softener of dishwasher runs exactly like this,except dishwashers flashing the filter after each cycle with pre-measured amount of saline water which you indirectly set by select the water hardness level in system.
We called that system "Ion Exchanger" in high school's chemistry course!
Yours sincere
Behzad
behzad
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to Tim:
Hey Tim ;
I didn't try the chemical solutions like this yet.
Sincerely
Behzad
Hey Tim ;
I didn't try the chemical solutions like this yet.
Sincerely
Behzad
polkanut
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<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 12pt;">We're able to buy STPP from either local chemical companies or by mail order in the US, Canada, Australia, and I believe also in the EU.</span>
Aside from minor differences in the removal of soils, I personally have not noticed much, if any difference between using a Powder or a Tablet.
Therefore, I reserve the tablets only for incredibly mucky loads - which don't occur very often.
Depending on how the government mandates environmentally-friendly products, you may find this detergent has Phosphates in it. Check the MSDS online, or look on the packaging. That should be an indicator of better performance, at least.
I also don't buy some of the marketing they apply to these tablets. For example the "Water Softeners" or "Salt" (Particularly the latter) have no effect on the performance, or reducing the water hardness.
Salt has to be added to the appropriate container in the dishwasher - otherwise the water softener cannot function correctly. Perhaps they add some additional washing-soda or the like - although I find it unlikely.
I've heard that too much salt in your water can actually reduce the lather on detergents/soaps - so this is something you might want to consider if you have hard water.
If your detergents still have Phosphates - the Finish powder is a superb product that always delivers great results, and is very economical too. Instead of paying about $20-$30 for about 30-40 tablets, you pay (at least here in Australia) $18 for about 3 months worth of washing. Thats almost twice as much washing for a much lower price, and very little sacrifice in performance.
Hope this is helpful for you - Feel free to post any more questions you might have. Good to see we're getting some more diversity amongst the populous here
Therefore, I reserve the tablets only for incredibly mucky loads - which don't occur very often.
Depending on how the government mandates environmentally-friendly products, you may find this detergent has Phosphates in it. Check the MSDS online, or look on the packaging. That should be an indicator of better performance, at least.
I also don't buy some of the marketing they apply to these tablets. For example the "Water Softeners" or "Salt" (Particularly the latter) have no effect on the performance, or reducing the water hardness.
Salt has to be added to the appropriate container in the dishwasher - otherwise the water softener cannot function correctly. Perhaps they add some additional washing-soda or the like - although I find it unlikely.
I've heard that too much salt in your water can actually reduce the lather on detergents/soaps - so this is something you might want to consider if you have hard water.
If your detergents still have Phosphates - the Finish powder is a superb product that always delivers great results, and is very economical too. Instead of paying about $20-$30 for about 30-40 tablets, you pay (at least here in Australia) $18 for about 3 months worth of washing. Thats almost twice as much washing for a much lower price, and very little sacrifice in performance.
Hope this is helpful for you - Feel free to post any more questions you might have. Good to see we're getting some more diversity amongst the populous here
behzad
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to washer 111:
Right, I think same as you
Thank you for replaying.
Behzad
Right, I think same as you
Thank you for replaying.
Behzad
water "softness" maps
The maps do not indicate if they are for surface waters, groundwater or public water supplies (which can be comprised of either or a mixture of both.
Groundwater tends to be the "hardest" when it comes to dissolved calcium carbonate (calcite) as the water has a longer residence time in contact with subsurface rocks while its in the aquifer.
Surface waters tend to be "softer" as far as calcium carbonate content, but may have other undesireables due to runoff of water over the land.
Even neighbors, with wells, will often have different levels of water hardness due to the depth of the wells and the rock strata in which the water is being withdrawn.
Some cities artificially soften the public water (eg. Dayton, OH) and the water is relatively soft. Some cities pull it from the well, chlorinate it and then send it directly to the consumer. So where Dayton has relatively soft water, cites right next to it like Beavercreek and Xenia have very high CaCO3 content.
Surface waters can vary in hardness depending on rainfall. Groundwater can, but tends to be more consistent especially for deeper wells.
There are many variables. The only way to determine your water hardness accurately, is not by a map, but by measuring the hardness directly from your tap. You can get little kits to do this at Home Depot. I believe Lowe's carries them as well. If you have city water you can call your local water utility and save yourself a few bucks.
I think one reason that dishwasher with built-in softeners area not pupular in the U.S. is that if water is hard enough to require a softener for a dishwasher to work well, then it's hard enough you don't want to wash your clothes in it, nor shower nor wash your hair in it. So most consumers just put a whole house water softer in.
The maps do not indicate if they are for surface waters, groundwater or public water supplies (which can be comprised of either or a mixture of both.
Groundwater tends to be the "hardest" when it comes to dissolved calcium carbonate (calcite) as the water has a longer residence time in contact with subsurface rocks while its in the aquifer.
Surface waters tend to be "softer" as far as calcium carbonate content, but may have other undesireables due to runoff of water over the land.
Even neighbors, with wells, will often have different levels of water hardness due to the depth of the wells and the rock strata in which the water is being withdrawn.
Some cities artificially soften the public water (eg. Dayton, OH) and the water is relatively soft. Some cities pull it from the well, chlorinate it and then send it directly to the consumer. So where Dayton has relatively soft water, cites right next to it like Beavercreek and Xenia have very high CaCO3 content.
Surface waters can vary in hardness depending on rainfall. Groundwater can, but tends to be more consistent especially for deeper wells.
There are many variables. The only way to determine your water hardness accurately, is not by a map, but by measuring the hardness directly from your tap. You can get little kits to do this at Home Depot. I believe Lowe's carries them as well. If you have city water you can call your local water utility and save yourself a few bucks.
I think one reason that dishwasher with built-in softeners area not pupular in the U.S. is that if water is hard enough to require a softener for a dishwasher to work well, then it's hard enough you don't want to wash your clothes in it, nor shower nor wash your hair in it. So most consumers just put a whole house water softer in.
behzad
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To:Bwoods
Right Barry,why treating water just for dishwasher,if we have serious problem with water quality,we need to get a professional water softener for whole house,it's may be a little bit expensive,but I prefer the best one for along time
otherwise if the water is OK,there is no need to spend a lot of money to buy something like that,I guess just a good filter for refrigerator(if have water connected ref.)and a dishwasher with internal water softener(German-made ones would be great)are sufficient!
that was my idea and I don't know how correct it was!?
Right Barry,why treating water just for dishwasher,if we have serious problem with water quality,we need to get a professional water softener for whole house,it's may be a little bit expensive,but I prefer the best one for along time
otherwise if the water is OK,there is no need to spend a lot of money to buy something like that,I guess just a good filter for refrigerator(if have water connected ref.)and a dishwasher with internal water softener(German-made ones would be great)are sufficient!
that was my idea and I don't know how correct it was!?
