I guess, one can consider this a quite certain load. Though there is roll over, its clear why Samsung is rated a bit harsh on laundry by Reviewed.com. The rinsing however seems rather well focused on the lower half of the drum.
First "big" HE TL load on YT?
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I guess, one can consider this a quite certain load. Though there is roll over, its clear why Samsung is rated a bit harsh on laundry by Reviewed.com. The rinsing however seems rather well focused on the lower half of the drum.
Not the first big load
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Samsung 5.6 cu.ft. versus king comforter
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I should clarify
Samsung TL, everyday mixed load, Normal cycle!
Samsung TL, everyday mixed load, Normal cycle!
Ah, okay. 
Precisely why I absolutely LOVE my Oasis-Bravos. The clothes actually rollover and move around. Everytime I see a Samsung or LG top loader in action I start yawning uncontrollably. There's barely any movement.
I cannot imagine any towel in that huge WP TLer betting clean. That load should have gone in the Duet. then it would have gotten thoroughly clean. What he put in the Duet should have gone in the TLer. That's horrible!! Pancake washing. Why I hate TLers. Looks like it at least has a recirculating spray.
joeypete
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My new Kenmore 28102 does a great job of rolling over. Washed 3 queen size blankets and they had nice bloomage ;-)
mark_wpduet
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I can't either appnut!!
I do like the way the LG waveforce washes much better......and that samsung Aquajet look crazy when it does the side x side comparison...The other vid's much not be a Samsung aquajet because they don't seem to operate like that.
I do like the way the LG waveforce washes much better......and that samsung Aquajet look crazy when it does the side x side comparison...The other vid's much not be a Samsung aquajet because they don't seem to operate like that.
mrb627
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Awesome Blooming Action?
Simply cannot agreed with that statement.
Simply cannot agreed with that statement.
glomain
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HE HE HOHO
what a joke ! a 5 gal. bucket & a garden hose would do a better job!!!!!!
what a joke ! a 5 gal. bucket & a garden hose would do a better job!!!!!!
whitetub
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why do they even bother making High Efficiency Top Loaders ???
I can get better cleaning action using my hands in a kitchen sink !
I can get better cleaning action using my hands in a kitchen sink !
why do they even bother making High Efficiency Top Loaders ?
Because people in this country are too stupid to see the inept physics involved in trying to get clothes clean this way and refuse to use front loaders. Too ... to figure out how front loaders perform best. What do Europeans know that Americans refuse to realize and acknowledge? Front loaders cannot be bad if Europeans have been using them for decades. We are hampered because modern front loaders do not use a 240v. heater to speed up water heating due to our electrical system design in houses.
Because people in this country are too stupid to see the inept physics involved in trying to get clothes clean this way and refuse to use front loaders. Too ... to figure out how front loaders perform best. What do Europeans know that Americans refuse to realize and acknowledge? Front loaders cannot be bad if Europeans have been using them for decades. We are hampered because modern front loaders do not use a 240v. heater to speed up water heating due to our electrical system design in houses.
warmsecondrinse
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I don't know how you'd do it, but I'd love to get a group of senior citizens who'd done laundry by hand for their whole lives and had never seen a modern washer. I'd have them watch a wash cycle of a regular TL and a cycle of one of these new waterless TLs. Then I'd ask them which one would give them cleaner clothes and why.
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At a guess, I'd say that the belief that waterless TL's clean clothes is just another manifestation of the peculiarly American belief that inanimate objects and laws of physics somehow respond to people's beliefs, ideas, feelings, etc. In this case the SM&G (Simple-Minded and Gullible) crowd believe that the interaction of clothing fibres, dirt, cleaning agents, and water somehow changes in response to digital controls, pretty lights, the salesman's schpiel, and the wisdom of conserving resources.
When people like this get an education, they're even more difficult to deal with. I could not count how many times I've had to explain that the freezing point of water (or something equally undebatable) is NOT a social construct. Our labels: 32F, 0C, and 273K are social constructs. Social constructs are things people invented/made. The concept does not apply to laws of physics.
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At a guess, I'd say that the belief that waterless TL's clean clothes is just another manifestation of the peculiarly American belief that inanimate objects and laws of physics somehow respond to people's beliefs, ideas, feelings, etc. In this case the SM&G (Simple-Minded and Gullible) crowd believe that the interaction of clothing fibres, dirt, cleaning agents, and water somehow changes in response to digital controls, pretty lights, the salesman's schpiel, and the wisdom of conserving resources.
When people like this get an education, they're even more difficult to deal with. I could not count how many times I've had to explain that the freezing point of water (or something equally undebatable) is NOT a social construct. Our labels: 32F, 0C, and 273K are social constructs. Social constructs are things people invented/made. The concept does not apply to laws of physics.
What is the blooming action?All I see in the video of the Samsung TL with the load of clothes or the comforter is just "WHIRR-WHIRR-Splash-Clacky" and nothing else-why the clothes on the top of the pile in that machine are barely wet-but the ones on the bottom-sure they are getting a thorough drubbing!Stick with my TL that has an AGITATOR.The top of the comforter doesn't appear to be wet and needs to be pushed down in the tub to submerge it and squeeze out air.Yes,think you can get better wash action in the sink with your hands or in the bathtub with a paddle-a small boat paddle.
joeypete
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Seriously?
I can't believe these last few comments. Granted some TL HE machines suck but some do an excellent job at cleaning. But none of them are "waterless", they use LOW water. And as I stated with my new Kenmore 28102 (Cabrio), IT CLEANS AMAZINGLY WELL. EQUAL IF NOT BETTER THAN ANY NORMAL TOP LOAD WASHER I HAVE EVER USED. I think any with recirculating water clean a lot better, IMO anyway.
I understand the concept of liking old school washers…because honestly I really do myself. But I'm not going to insult anyone who likes new technology and likes to try new ways of doing things. I was personally insulted by some of the comments. I hardly think I am "simple minded and gullible" I'm not 20 years old, I'm twice that and have used pretty much every type of washer available in the last 40 years so i think I have some idea of what I'm talking about. Good grief.
Thanks.
I can't believe these last few comments. Granted some TL HE machines suck but some do an excellent job at cleaning. But none of them are "waterless", they use LOW water. And as I stated with my new Kenmore 28102 (Cabrio), IT CLEANS AMAZINGLY WELL. EQUAL IF NOT BETTER THAN ANY NORMAL TOP LOAD WASHER I HAVE EVER USED. I think any with recirculating water clean a lot better, IMO anyway.
I understand the concept of liking old school washers…because honestly I really do myself. But I'm not going to insult anyone who likes new technology and likes to try new ways of doing things. I was personally insulted by some of the comments. I hardly think I am "simple minded and gullible" I'm not 20 years old, I'm twice that and have used pretty much every type of washer available in the last 40 years so i think I have some idea of what I'm talking about. Good grief.
Thanks.
"Simple minded"
Yeah. I'm not personally offended, but I really ask who puts one self into the position to call somebody "simple minded" because the person might not know a lot about laundry 'n' stuff.
And yeah, some of these videos proof these washers can suck. If they are used wrong. That comforter was loaded incorrectly and anybody who knows HE TLs know they do not work well with comforters, pillows and such. Loading laundry over the center of the washplate makes turn over harder as well.
The reason I posted that video was to show how Samsungs perform with loads that an average customer would throw at a washer. And I guess that load is pretty usual to big.
This forum slowly is getting more and more aggressiv and extreme. Even if one trys to be nice, or has no intention to create a debate at all, people start to attack everybody and everything in their way. Not that everybody behaves like this. But I seriously stopped\reduced posting my opinion on here and started to think about every phrase I post at least twice since the last escalation. That makes me kind of sad... REALLY sad...
Yeah. I'm not personally offended, but I really ask who puts one self into the position to call somebody "simple minded" because the person might not know a lot about laundry 'n' stuff.
And yeah, some of these videos proof these washers can suck. If they are used wrong. That comforter was loaded incorrectly and anybody who knows HE TLs know they do not work well with comforters, pillows and such. Loading laundry over the center of the washplate makes turn over harder as well.
The reason I posted that video was to show how Samsungs perform with loads that an average customer would throw at a washer. And I guess that load is pretty usual to big.
This forum slowly is getting more and more aggressiv and extreme. Even if one trys to be nice, or has no intention to create a debate at all, people start to attack everybody and everything in their way. Not that everybody behaves like this. But I seriously stopped\reduced posting my opinion on here and started to think about every phrase I post at least twice since the last escalation. That makes me kind of sad... REALLY sad...
joeypete
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Yes I'm sure it was aimed at the everyday washer user lol, but still it's aggravating when I say that I have this kind of washer and it works great…your statement is completely ignored and overturned even.
I work for an airline and I was in an aviation forum for years. I finally got out of it because I was so tired of insulting comments and arguments over things. The last straw was hearing a select few people wishing my airline would go under. I'm like, hello that's my employer and the employer of thousands of other people. Very rude.
I work for an airline and I was in an aviation forum for years. I finally got out of it because I was so tired of insulting comments and arguments over things. The last straw was hearing a select few people wishing my airline would go under. I'm like, hello that's my employer and the employer of thousands of other people. Very rude.
I myself used to be one to bash newer machines. In our society, the majority of people look at a dishwasher or washing machine as nothing more than a "tool" to do the deeds that they'd rather not even think about, and God forbid they be the subject of conversation. Because of that, with 99% of us here at AW being the types that DO appreciate the engineering behind these overlooked machines, we're exposed too often to the people that are the exact opposite, and with that we hear more of the negative than the positive simply because people don't bother to educate themselves about the products they are using. A quick Google or YouTube search will bring back COUNTLESS results of people complaining that their washer is a "piece of junk", and 9 times out of 10, if you're able to get more of the story, it boils down to them using it in such a way that of course the poor machine wasn't able to work properly..
That was the case with the Oasis-Cabrio washers. My only experience with them was witnessing how they had been operated by other people, or hearing endless complaints about how they were pieces of junk that wouldn't even get the clothes wet. Now I own one of those machines, and I couldn't be happier with it. Yes, it took a few loads to adjust my habits and adapt to the difference in how it operates versus a traditional agitator washer, but since then, I have YET to pull a garment of clothing out that wasn't crisp and clean, spotless, and spun out so well that it took just a short cycle in the dryer to be ready for folding or hanging up. Of the videos above, the F&P and the Vantage(Oasis) were the ones to actually move the load around more effectively than the SS and LG, even if it was slow. That Vantage performed better than I would have ever expected it to with that many towels. I've loaded mine to the top of the basket with towels and had perfect results, but I've never packed it like that. I'd be too afraid to put unnecessary strain on the drive system.
That said, there are top-loading HE washers out there that I wouldn't trust to put even my old raggedy pet bathing towels into, simply because with natural understanding of physics and mechanics, there's no way they could possibly work well even when loaded properly. I believe we had a user here that couldn't get an LG Waveforce to produce a cleaned load without babysitting it or running the load twice. Seeing the videos above of those and the practically identical Samsungs just convinces me that those machines are not for me. They may work perfectly if used for smaller loads or something, but because that is not how I expect my machines to perform, I'll politely decline it. If it works for someone else, go all for it. If someone asks my honest opinion or advice on the subject, I'll give my thoughts openly, but I'd never intentionally insult or bash a person because of their choice in a product.
That was the case with the Oasis-Cabrio washers. My only experience with them was witnessing how they had been operated by other people, or hearing endless complaints about how they were pieces of junk that wouldn't even get the clothes wet. Now I own one of those machines, and I couldn't be happier with it. Yes, it took a few loads to adjust my habits and adapt to the difference in how it operates versus a traditional agitator washer, but since then, I have YET to pull a garment of clothing out that wasn't crisp and clean, spotless, and spun out so well that it took just a short cycle in the dryer to be ready for folding or hanging up. Of the videos above, the F&P and the Vantage(Oasis) were the ones to actually move the load around more effectively than the SS and LG, even if it was slow. That Vantage performed better than I would have ever expected it to with that many towels. I've loaded mine to the top of the basket with towels and had perfect results, but I've never packed it like that. I'd be too afraid to put unnecessary strain on the drive system.
That said, there are top-loading HE washers out there that I wouldn't trust to put even my old raggedy pet bathing towels into, simply because with natural understanding of physics and mechanics, there's no way they could possibly work well even when loaded properly. I believe we had a user here that couldn't get an LG Waveforce to produce a cleaned load without babysitting it or running the load twice. Seeing the videos above of those and the practically identical Samsungs just convinces me that those machines are not for me. They may work perfectly if used for smaller loads or something, but because that is not how I expect my machines to perform, I'll politely decline it. If it works for someone else, go all for it. If someone asks my honest opinion or advice on the subject, I'll give my thoughts openly, but I'd never intentionally insult or bash a person because of their choice in a product.
warmsecondrinse
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Years ago I had an Equator wsher/dryer combo (3600, IIRC). My first few loads left a lot to be desired. What did I do? I re-read the manual and consulted more than a few user review boards online. Yup, nearly all the user reviews were negative. armed with that info, I made some changes in how I used the machine. Voila! All the problems disappeared. I appear to be one of the few people who had a positive experience with that machine.
Fast forward to 2012. I took the same approach when the GE HE Hydro-Wave Super-something or other failed to clean clothes. I changed how I loaded the machine. I read reviews. I read and re-read the manual. I downloaded the service manual and made adjustments servicemen were advised to make in response to customer complaints.
What happened? Nothing. Not one thing I did had any effect at all. Zilch. Zero. Zip. Nada. Clothes went in dirty and came out slightly less dirty but hardly clean. A member of AW.org tried and failed to get clean clothes out of that machine. However, I will admit that I never had clothes actually fail to get wet.
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However, the fact remains that the vast majority of consumers who buy HE TL's will not even read the user's guide, much less do any research into whatever problems they're having. Why? Most people will never think, "Gee, maybe *I* am doing something wrong."
"... anybody who knows HE TLs know they do not work well with comforters, pillows and such." I agree. However, most people need their washer to handle those items. Since most of them would have had previous experience with machines that CAN wash those, it's unlikely that it'd even occur to them to ask about it.
I'm sorry, but most people in this country DO believe digital controls, flashing lights, etc. will change the physics of laundry. They DO believe they can turn down the temperature of their hot water "to save energy", wash their clothes the exact same way, and get the same results.
This is not limted to laundry. Most people DO believe that AWD, ABS, and stability control will let them drive whatever speed they want in any and all winter conditions without problems. Most people in this country DO believe they can take out their "ugly" 4 foot long radiator, replace it with 4 feet of baseboard and have the room be equally warm. Further, most people DO believe that if they simply argue with you enough, or get sufficiently impassioned, 4 feet of baseboard WILL start producing the same heat the 4 feet of radiator did. THIS is where my "SM&G" comment comes from.
I don't notice this kind of thinking here on the boards, so it never ocurred to me that any members would see themselves in my remarks. Obviously, I failed to make that clear. I apologize for that. However, if you ARE getting great results from these machines, I submit it's because you looked at the machine, realized it works differently, and made appropriate changes to your laundry habits. I wouldn't be surprised if you did it all without any conscious awareness. Clearly, you've done a better job of it than I did, despite all my efforts.
I'm the same. When I was in Poland years ago I got into my cousin's ancient Fiat one cold morning. I looked for the choke, found it, pulled it out, and started the car. Once the engine had warmed up I pushed it in. My cousin later said, "So you found the choke, I take it." I looked at him blankly, "Choke?"
Jim
Fast forward to 2012. I took the same approach when the GE HE Hydro-Wave Super-something or other failed to clean clothes. I changed how I loaded the machine. I read reviews. I read and re-read the manual. I downloaded the service manual and made adjustments servicemen were advised to make in response to customer complaints.
What happened? Nothing. Not one thing I did had any effect at all. Zilch. Zero. Zip. Nada. Clothes went in dirty and came out slightly less dirty but hardly clean. A member of AW.org tried and failed to get clean clothes out of that machine. However, I will admit that I never had clothes actually fail to get wet.
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However, the fact remains that the vast majority of consumers who buy HE TL's will not even read the user's guide, much less do any research into whatever problems they're having. Why? Most people will never think, "Gee, maybe *I* am doing something wrong."
"... anybody who knows HE TLs know they do not work well with comforters, pillows and such." I agree. However, most people need their washer to handle those items. Since most of them would have had previous experience with machines that CAN wash those, it's unlikely that it'd even occur to them to ask about it.
I'm sorry, but most people in this country DO believe digital controls, flashing lights, etc. will change the physics of laundry. They DO believe they can turn down the temperature of their hot water "to save energy", wash their clothes the exact same way, and get the same results.
This is not limted to laundry. Most people DO believe that AWD, ABS, and stability control will let them drive whatever speed they want in any and all winter conditions without problems. Most people in this country DO believe they can take out their "ugly" 4 foot long radiator, replace it with 4 feet of baseboard and have the room be equally warm. Further, most people DO believe that if they simply argue with you enough, or get sufficiently impassioned, 4 feet of baseboard WILL start producing the same heat the 4 feet of radiator did. THIS is where my "SM&G" comment comes from.
I don't notice this kind of thinking here on the boards, so it never ocurred to me that any members would see themselves in my remarks. Obviously, I failed to make that clear. I apologize for that. However, if you ARE getting great results from these machines, I submit it's because you looked at the machine, realized it works differently, and made appropriate changes to your laundry habits. I wouldn't be surprised if you did it all without any conscious awareness. Clearly, you've done a better job of it than I did, despite all my efforts.
I'm the same. When I was in Poland years ago I got into my cousin's ancient Fiat one cold morning. I looked for the choke, found it, pulled it out, and started the car. Once the engine had warmed up I pushed it in. My cousin later said, "So you found the choke, I take it." I looked at him blankly, "Choke?"
Jim
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